RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[CaliGirl]

WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????

I always thought that was the reason.  However, this was probably speculation by Fox. Right? Who said it?

I only can hear FOX at the moment. lol I am not sure who did.. one of their reporters.

[pinto]

WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????

Maybe his nickname is betty.

[LilOrphan]

As I recall...the sample that went to Virginia for testing was from the Honda driven by Deepak on the night all this went down and what ever the sample was, was not blood from anyone. However, they never said what the sample turned out to be.

How does this stuff they found in the car square with Mrs. Kalpoe's description of how freaked the boy is about keeping his car perfect?

[Shataken]

CNN has a poll about what story you are most interested in, if anyone wants to vote.  It is located towards the bottom on the left hand side.

http://www.cnn.com/HLN/

[Atlmetroguy]

As I recall...the sample that went to Virginia for testing was from the Honda driven by Deepak on the night all this went down and what ever the sample was, was not blood from anyone. However, they never said what the sample turned out to be.

How does this stuff they found in the car square with Mrs. Kalpoe's description of how freaked the boy is about keeping his car perfect?

*******

Honestly, I don't know...I was just posting what I remembered.

[Rob]

WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????

maybe that gibberish deserves a second look....who s got the link?

[CaliGirl]

WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????

Maybe his nickname is betty.

ROFLMAO

[Itawamba]

afternoon monkeys!!! Anyone know when eqquesearch will actually start their search, and when we will know something? Will thay announce it when they do actually begin searching? This is when i think things will get really good...God I hope they can help...

They are working now.  No, they don't announce where the searches will be happening.

Oh, here's an update right now:

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MORE TX EQUUSEARCH NOTES

Local TV just had a video update from Tim Miller in Aruba.  He said he has been meeting with high-level officials, including the prime minister, since he has been in Aruba.  He said, "in fact, you'll be surprised who I've talked to about Natalee."

Correction to number of TES team flying down there today--it is 17 going today, for a total of 20 on the ground in Aruba after they arrive.  Additional dog details--one is from FL and one is from NM.  (I know search dogs have their fans and supporters, so somebody here probably knows which dogs those are.)

As far as the "celebrity volunteers" who will be going to Aruba to bring attention to Natalee's plight, no names were released again and the local reporter was unable to confirm any of the rumors she had heard about who it would be.

Whichever NBA and NFL stars participate, they will be leaving Houston "sometime this weekend."
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[mojo]

that's gonna come as a real shocker to brazil  

[LilOrphan]

As I recall...the sample that went to Virginia for testing was from the Honda driven by Deepak on the night all this went down and what ever the sample was, was not blood from anyone. However, they never said what the sample turned out to be.

How does this stuff they found in the car square with Mrs. Kalpoe's description of how freaked the boy is about keeping his car perfect?

*******

Honestly, I don't know...I was just posting what I remembered.

Oh, no. I'm not questioning your post.  It just instantly brought to mind Mrs. Kalpoe's comments that her kid is meticulous about his car.  Sounds to me like he wouldn't run around with some stuff all over the car seat and whatever was there had to be fairly fresh - if not blood, maybe vomit?

[iquitos]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

[Compananzi]

maybe natalee didn't say anything to the 2 brothers(as mother kalpoe stated) because she was drugged up or under a non-alcohol influence..........perhaps joren was having a good time and natalee thought he was nice, she had a drink w/him.......then he slipped her some kinda drug.........he then calls the kalpoe brothers and says he needs a lift ASAP because he knows the drug effects will soon set in, so while she is coherent he wants to get her out of c&c's...........by the time she is in the car she waves goodbye to her friends and also seems fine...then shortly after she starts to fade from the drugs, hence the lack of conversation

I recall friends of NH's saying that her eyes looked heavy, and that she was speaking in short, brief sentences before leaving CnC's.  

Speaking for myself, though I'm sure others will concur, if you're so drunk, that you've got the spins, or are feeling nauseous, but don't want to let on that you're that f'ed up, you tend to keep your speech to a minimum.  Kind of like focusing on not getting sick.  While I am fairly confident drugs are in play here, I think a likely cause of death was aspiration of vomit.

I kinda like timelines, but let me speculate here..since Deepak closes the shop of Internet Cafe say at 11pm, his younger bros picks him up at work, given the time from of 11.-11.30pm, the latter being the latest time Deepak departs from work.  (I guess some Internet Cafe user might buy a block of internet usage as the mother described.)  Deepak needs to get and pickup Joran at his house...that would take another 15min, if you include small talk, add another 10min.  Add another 15 min to the ride to CnC and time to park the car and check in.  I figure arriving at CnC is about 12-12.30..that leaves one hour to:

a: Joran needs to quickly find Natalee, engage her to leave her friends if she is already doing that.   From an unconfirmed email of Deepak, either Joran never danced, or from MB students he did.  Since Nat probably might have been dancing or sitting with her friends, Joran would have to disengage her from those 2 occurences.  Since there is a confirmed altercation, add another 15 min for the confrontation.  That already puts us to closing time.  Oh and add the fact that he presumbly or hypothetically has to administer a pill or something liquid.  Oh and also we have to add the fact that Nat was in the Bathroom or not, I forget if the story of her not feeling bad in the bathroom was true or not...Remember all this puts all these occurence to occure in a one hour time frame.

[monkey c]

afternoon monkeys!!! Anyone know when eqquesearch will actually start their search, and when we will know something? Will thay announce it when they do actually begin searching? This is when i think things will get really good...God I hope they can help...

They are working now.  No, they don't announce where the searches will be happening.

Oh, here's an update right now:

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MORE TX EQUUSEARCH NOTES
Great report- this is just too cool--
Local TV just had a video update from Tim Miller in Aruba.  He said he has been meeting with high-level officials, including the prime minister, since he has been in Aruba.  He said, "in fact, you'll be surprised who I've talked to about Natalee."

Correction to number of TES team flying down there today--it is 17 going today, for a total of 20 on the ground in Aruba after they arrive.  Additional dog details--one is from FL and one is from NM.  (I know search dogs have their fans and supporters, so somebody here probably knows which dogs those are.)

As far as the "celebrity volunteers" who will be going to Aruba to bring attention to Natalee's plight, no names were released again and the local reporter was unable to confirm any of the rumors she had heard about who it would be.

Whichever NBA and NFL stars participate, they will be leaving Houston "sometime this weekend."
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[monkey c]

afternoon monkeys!!! Anyone know when eqquesearch will actually start their search, and when we will know something? Will thay announce it when they do actually begin searching? This is when i think things will get really good...God I hope they can help...

They are working now.  No, they don't announce where the searches will be happening.

Oh, here's an update right now:

~~~~~~~~~
MORE TX EQUUSEARCH NOTES
Great report- this is just too cool--
Local TV just had a video update from Tim Miller in Aruba.  He said he has been meeting with high-level officials, including the prime minister, since he has been in Aruba.  He said, "in fact, you'll be surprised who I've talked to about Natalee."

Correction to number of TES team flying down there today--it is 17 going today, for a total of 20 on the ground in Aruba after they arrive.  Additional dog details--one is from FL and one is from NM.  (I know search dogs have their fans and supporters, so somebody here probably knows which dogs those are.)

As far as the "celebrity volunteers" who will be going to Aruba to bring attention to Natalee's plight, no names were released again and the local reporter was unable to confirm any of the rumors she had heard about who it would be.

Whichever NBA and NFL stars participate, they will be leaving Houston "sometime this weekend."
~~~~~~~~~

[Atlmetroguy]

As I recall...the sample that went to Virginia for testing was from the Honda driven by Deepak on the night all this went down and what ever the sample was, was not blood from anyone. However, they never said what the sample turned out to be.

How does this stuff they found in the car square with Mrs. Kalpoe's description of how freaked the boy is about keeping his car perfect?

*******

Honestly, I don't know...I was just posting what I remembered.

Oh, no. I'm not questioning your post.  It just instantly brought to mind Mrs. Kalpoe's comments that her kid is meticulous about his car.  Sounds to me like he wouldn't run around with some stuff all over the car seat and whatever was there had to be fairly fresh - if not blood, maybe vomit?

************

Wow...good point...I never even thought of vomit, but makes sense if they had drugged NH and she had already been drinking. Then again, the vomit would have her DNA right? I wish we knew more details about this whole case...

More than that I hope they find NH alive!!!! I have spent mucho time on bended knee speaking with God about this.

[luckydee]

did anyone notice two different statments for anita vds?
she said at one point that she was in holland, then said she could nt sleep(the night natalee went missing), bc joran was nt home... did i hear that correctly, or am i imagining it?

I understood her statement to mean that she was in Holland. She was notified (by PVDS?) about the problem with NH and couldn't sleep that night. She then mentioned flying home and being upset.  Question: was her original return date on Wed? did she make a change in reservation as soon as she heard about the problem?

[wwizard]

TX EQUUSEARCH might be good, but they can't find something thats not there

[CaliGirl]

maybe natalee didn't say anything to the 2 brothers(as mother kalpoe stated) because she was drugged up or under a non-alcohol influence..........perhaps joren was having a good time and natalee thought he was nice, she had a drink w/him.......then he slipped her some kinda drug.........he then calls the kalpoe brothers and says he needs a lift ASAP because he knows the drug effects will soon set in, so while she is coherent he wants to get her out of c&c's...........by the time she is in the car she waves goodbye to her friends and also seems fine...then shortly after she starts to fade from the drugs, hence the lack of conversation

I recall friends of NH's saying that her eyes looked heavy, and that she was speaking in short, brief sentences before leaving CnC's.  

Speaking for myself, though I'm sure others will concur, if you're so drunk, that you've got the spins, or are feeling nauseous, but don't want to let on that you're that f'ed up, you tend to keep your speech to a minimum.  Kind of like focusing on not getting sick.  While I am fairly confident drugs are in play here, I think a likely cause of death was aspiration of vomit.

I kinda like timelines, but let me speculate here..since Deepak closes the shop of Internet Cafe say at 11pm, his younger bros picks him up at work, given the time from of 11.-11.30pm, the latter being the latest time Deepak departs from work.  (I guess some Internet Cafe user might buy a block of internet usage as the mother described.)  Deepak needs to get and pickup Joran at his house...that would take another 15min, if you include small talk, add another 10min.  Add another 15 min to the ride to CnC and time to park the car and check in.  I figure arriving at CnC is about 12-12.30..that leaves one hour to:

a: Joran needs to quickly find Natalee, engage her to leave her friends if she is already doing that.   From an unconfirmed email of Deepak, either Joran never danced, or from MB students he did.  Since Nat probably might have been dancing or sitting with her friends, Joran would have to disengage her from those 2 occurences.  Since there is a confirmed altercation, add another 15 min for the confrontation.  That already puts us to closing time.  Oh and add the fact that he presumbly or hypothetically has to administer a pill or something liquid.  Oh and also we have to add the fact that Nat was in the Bathroom or not, I forget if the story of her not feeling bad in the bathroom was true or not...Remember all this puts all these occurence to occure in a one hour time frame.

Deepak's mom said he got off work at 11:30..so then add in Satish picking him.
I believe Joran somehow got to CnC on his own because no one has be able to say the brothers were at CnC only out front in their car.

[KackyLacky]

Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.

Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?

That post supposedly came from someone in MB. My point: was it to put PVdS at that location at 3 AM the morning NH went missing? To imply that PVdS was picking up Joran or something else?

I think it goes to what CaliGirl is saying about the kidnap and there being more....

Something I mentioned early this AM, does anyoone know anything about the cases PVdS has ruled on lately? Possible someone watching the kid to set him up to get back at the Judge?

I tried researching it Canun but could not find anything. I wondered if maybe he heard any drug cases.. or quite possibly had one coming up.

Savidge ( the reporter) on MSNBC said on Imus this am, that there was some discussion joran called his dad in the early morning hours, and that dad had denied it. Telephone records perhaps tripped dad up?

[Compananzi]

As I recall...the sample that went to Virginia for testing was from the Honda driven by Deepak on the night all this went down and what ever the sample was, was not blood from anyone. However, they never said what the sample turned out to be.

How does this stuff they found in the car square with Mrs. Kalpoe's description of how freaked the boy is about keeping his car perfect?

He may have had no choice, since at that time it was turning into a criminal investigation, but fair to say alot of cars in Aruba are souped up or adorned..