RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[Rob]

i wonder if the cyberzone cafe in in the same building as amici's. across from the playa linda.....i know there is an internet cafe there... and the mcdonalds is right around the corner...

[KackyLacky]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

[roxyluv]

Why would someone want to kill Natalee Holloway?

Perhaps because she was threatening to go right to the police and report that she was raped.

And, neither Joran nor his father would allow that.

I pretty much think the rape charges wouldn't fly?
Natalee got in the car, the other two boys have said that she was making out with him .
It's her word against his , they are both good students.
There is more to this story.

[nikkibnurse]

Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....  

VERY good question..thats what i was wondering

[sandraK]

Is this possibly a picture of Rene? (He has been mentioned a few times, no real evidence that its tied to Natalee's case)

I figured I would post it before I fogot where I found it.


http://www.groenetechnieken.nl/pages_agt/proficiat2003.html

No. the Be-headed man was black.

[Rob]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

the kiss on the cheek was like the kiss of death.. made me slighly sickkk....

[absolut]

Afternoon all!

OK. I still have questions about papa and mama v.d.Sloot and where they were on the night of Sunday 5/29-Mon 5/30.

 I thought last night we'd established that both were in Holland (which meant probably the two younger boys were with them and Joran was home alone in his bach pad) and that Paul had flown back to Aruba Sunday and Anita Wednesday. Right?

1. When exactly did Paul vds come back to Aruba?
2. Why did Joran have an 11 pm "curfew" on Sunday night (school nite), but was out after 1 am on Monday night/Tues. morning (school nite) gambling at the casinos and daddy didn't care?
3. Why is there an account of Anita vds saying her husband was deep asleep Sunday night? How did she know if she was still in Holland?

Were both parents in Holland? I have in my timeline that PVDS arrived in Aruba around 5pm, and AVDS says she arrived on Wedsday?  Are these dates confirmed?

Yes

[nikkibnurse]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>

[friend of monkeys]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

the kiss on the cheek was like the kiss of death.. made me slighly sickkk....

me too...

[DivaToo]

Interesting post by Dan at RiehlWolrdview.com:

"In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath.""

 

[KackyLacky]

Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....  

Lemondrop, according to the founder of the Texas group- they are looking for both dead and alive.

[klaasend]

Is this possibly a picture of Rene? (He has been mentioned a few times, no real evidence that its tied to Natalee's case)

I figured I would post it before I fogot where I found it.


http://www.groenetechnieken.nl/pages_agt/proficiat2003.html

No. the Be-headed man was black.

Not sure where you heard he was black.  I suppose he could be.  He is Dutch and there are black dutch.  I have not read anywhere that he was black.

[roxyluv]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

I don't think so, I was thinking this myself.
Don't you think it would be better press if one guy messed up and his Dad covered it up than an actual kidnapping/sex-trade? People would still come (tourists if its the first one , not if its the second.

[iquitos]

Compananzi wrote:

My time line is getting pretty weird, look at this ..

1. Joran gets pickup by PVDS at 11 pm at McDonalds.
2. Internet Cafe closes at 11pm, I am not sure but wouldn't McDonalds be closer to Internet Cafe? Both pickups occur at almost the same time...even tho Joran never calls Deepak or Satish but his Dad instead.
3. How would Paulus not know that Joran gets pickup by Deepak, it would be like 12.15 pm to 12.30, reported that he might be deep asleep.
4. Is the 11 pm Joran pickup correct?

If joran called satish when he was home(after pvds picked him at 11.00)
Then I think it`s possible that satish picked up joran before he pick up deepak.

problem is that the kalpoe home may be closer to downtown than to joran's so he would probably pick up his brother first.  the car belongs to satish so he would probalby not want him to use it to ferry his friend first.  i also think they had to go home and clean up too.

[sandy]

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>

Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

[absolut]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

My time line is getting pretty weird, look at this ..

1. Joran gets pickup by PVDS at 11 pm at McDonalds.
2. Internet Cafe closes at 11pm, I am not sure but wouldn't McDonalds be closer to Internet Cafe?  Both pickups occur at almost the same time...even tho Joran never calls Deepak or Satish but his Dad instead.
3. How would Paulus not know that Joran gets pickup by Deepak, it would be like 12.15 pm to 12.30, reported that he might be deep asleep.
4. Is the 11 pm Joran pickup correct?

1. Probably True
2. True and Joran had been talking to deepak earllier (9:30) for a later pick up at home. (12-12:15)
3. Jet lag and such from coming back from Holland crashes out.
4. Now in question because father is jail to, but Support by deepak timeline up to CNC which has never changed.

[Rosalie]

TX EQUUSEARCH might be good, but they can't find something thats not there

Agreed--and they are the FIRST to say so.  I hope Tim Miller is either meeting with Beth and family today or he did yesterday.

The TES team is usually relentlessly upbeat, but REALISTIC, (you know, the politically correct "cautiously optimistic") from what I've known of them.  In his public statements locally, Tim Miller has not been hopeful of finding a live Natalee -- but maybe Beth can infect him with her contagious cheerfulness--or vice versa.

They just might find bodies burried all over that crime free island !!

[momto5]

Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....  

VERY good question..thats what i was wondering

Fox asked them this yesterday and the guy there in Aruba from the TX group said they were bringing cadaver dogs. They asked if they could find Natalee, he said these dogs can smell "rotting flesh". I took that to mean they can only locate dead bodies. Although I am sure they hope she is found alive, it seemed to me they are there looking for a body.

[CancunMole]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

If you look at the map, the McD in question is about where the upper left hand corner of the block indicating Jorn's house. It wouldn't take but a few minutes by car to get there. But, was someone else following J?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Images-Fun/map3.pdf Forgot the map.

[HannieC]

KackyLacky wrote:

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

I think she means that with all the mediahype and pressure and now also after her son was arrested also her husband arrest she said that! B/C it`s getting very weird now. They pick up and arrest people if it is normal, so I can understand what she`s saying. And english is not her native language so maybe a lot of people misunderstand how words are meant!!