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« Reply #940 on: June 24, 2005, 01:40:25 PM »

RoxyLuv,

Yeah I agree, could be alot deeper.
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« Reply #941 on: June 24, 2005, 01:40:35 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


exactly, she is saying it is about her son and husband, not Natalee, because of the media and the US looking for a victim. It is in a clip, in response to a media outlet, about the arrest of her husband recorded yesterday. If you see it, the sun is shining brightly and the picture is very pale. I have seen it on CNN, MSNBC, local news, HNN and even Fox
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« Reply #942 on: June 24, 2005, 01:41:11 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


I don't think so, I was thinking this myself.
Don't you think it would be better press if one guy messed up and his Dad covered it up than an actual kidnapping/sex-trade? People would still come (tourists if its the first one , not if its the second.


Better for the island to have one or a few specific individuals doing something hideous rather than a huge organized crime element
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« Reply #943 on: June 24, 2005, 01:41:47 PM »

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mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.


My time line is getting pretty weird, look at this ..

Hey Guys,,,,the only time line we have now is that Natalee was last seen with J and the time she left with him,,,,,next is probably J at school>?
LE has not released their information,,,the story the boys told has already changed, so what if none of the time lines are true.

1. Joran gets pickup by PVDS at 11 pm at McDonalds.
2. Internet Cafe closes at 11pm, I am not sure but wouldn't McDonalds be closer to Internet Cafe?  Both pickups occur at almost the same time...even tho Joran never calls Deepak or Satish but his Dad instead.
3. How would Paulus not know that Joran gets pickup by Deepak, it would be like 12.15 pm to 12.30, reported that he might be deep asleep.
4. Is the 11 pm Joran pickup correct?


1. Probably True
2. True and Joran had been talking to deepak earllier (9:30) for a later pick up at home. (12-12:15)
3. Jet lag and such from coming back from Holland crashes out.
4. Now in question because father is jail to, but Support by deepak timeline up to CNC which has never changed.
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« Reply #944 on: June 24, 2005, 01:41:56 PM »

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i wonder if the cyberzone cafe in in the same building as amici's. across from the playa linda.....i know there is an internet cafe there... and the mcdonalds is right around the corner...


there is one near san nicholaas
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« Reply #945 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:03 PM »

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Not to suggest that I dont appreciate our current on line Arubian posters, but does anyone know why we seem to have lost AmericaninAruba and NativeLingo? Seems like its going on a week now. Not on in the evenings either.

I did see americaninaruba on another board recently
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« Reply #946 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:13 PM »

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WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????


Steve....Betty....those are close
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« Reply #947 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:42 PM »

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Afternoon all!

OK. I still have questions about papa and mama v.d.Sloot and where they were on the night of Sunday 5/29-Mon 5/30.

 I thought last night we'd established that both were in Holland (which meant probably the two younger boys were with them and Joran was home alone in his bach pad) and that Paul had flown back to Aruba Sunday and Anita Wednesday. Right?

1. When exactly did Paul vds come back to Aruba?
2. Why did Joran have an 11 pm "curfew" on Sunday night (school nite), but was out after 1 am on Monday night/Tues. morning (school nite) gambling at the casinos and daddy didn't care?
3. Why is there an account of Anita vds saying her husband was deep asleep Sunday night? How did she know if she was still in Holland?


1. 5pm Sunday
2. Because papa van sloot doesnt care the next night they are covering up a murder together who cares how joran is spending that time and exams were over?
3. He may have had jetlag etc.
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« Reply #948 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:51 PM »

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maybe natalee didn't say anything to the 2 brothers(as mother kalpoe stated) because she was drugged up or under a non-alcohol influence..........perhaps joren was having a good time and natalee thought he was nice, she had a drink w/him.......then he slipped her some kinda drug.........he then calls the kalpoe brothers and says he needs a lift ASAP because he knows the drug effects will soon set in, so while she is coherent he wants to get her out of c&c's...........by the time she is in the car she waves goodbye to her friends and also seems fine...then shortly after she starts to fade from the drugs, hence the lack of conversation


I recall friends of NH's saying that her eyes looked heavy, and that she was speaking in short, brief sentences before leaving CnC's.  

Speaking for myself, though I'm sure others will concur, if you're so drunk, that you've got the spins, or are feeling nauseous, but don't want to let on that you're that f'ed up, you tend to keep your speech to a minimum.  Kind of like focusing on not getting sick.  While I am fairly confident drugs are in play here, I think a likely cause of death was aspiration of vomit.


I kinda like timelines, but let me speculate here..since Deepak closes the shop of Internet Cafe say at 11pm, his younger bros picks him up at work, given the time from of 11.-11.30pm, the latter being the latest time Deepak departs from work.  (I guess some Internet Cafe user might buy a block of internet usage as the mother described.)  Deepak needs to get and pickup Joran at his house...that would take another 15min, if you include small talk, add another 10min.  Add another 15 min to the ride to CnC and time to park the car and check in.  I figure arriving at CnC is about 12-12.30..that leaves one hour to:

a: Joran needs to quickly find Natalee, engage her to leave her friends if she is already doing that.   From an unconfirmed email of Deepak, either Joran never danced, or from MB students he did.  Since Nat probably might have been dancing or sitting with her friends, Joran would have to disengage her from those 2 occurences.  Since there is a confirmed altercation, add another 15 min for the confrontation.  That already puts us to closing time.  Oh and add the fact that he presumbly or hypothetically has to administer a pill or something liquid.  Oh and also we have to add the fact that Nat was in the Bathroom or not, I forget if the story of her not feeling bad in the bathroom was true or not...Remember all this puts all these occurence to occure in a one hour time frame.
 

the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?


I never believed in the date rape drug theory.  There is an over eagerness to believe in explainations that vilify VDS.

There is an easy obvious explaination why she wasn't talking - its pretty hard to say anything when there's this giant tongue in your mouth.
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« Reply #949 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:58 PM »

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problem is that the kalpoe home may be closer to downtown than to joran's so he would probably pick up his brother first. the car belongs to satish so he would probalby not want him to use it to ferry his friend first. i also think they had to go home and clean up too.



It was my understanding that the car is deepak`s and he don`t take his car to work b/c he`s affraid of scratches and things, so that everynight satish picks up deepak at his work with deepak`s car. According to the kalpoe mom.
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« Reply #950 on: June 24, 2005, 01:42:58 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta


sandy
I am trying to find a clip, but my impression was it was with the AP after her husband had been arrested. still looking for the clip
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« Reply #951 on: June 24, 2005, 01:43:44 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

the  poor woman is living a Nightmare.Put yourself in her place .My Heart goes  out to her. and Beth.
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« Reply #952 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:13 PM »

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WTF??????????? FOX just stated they believed Croes to be held because he might have received a crucial email from one of the suspects.????


I posted about this earlier in this thread and in the Wonder Woman debate thread.  I heard Greta talk briefly about this last night.  Here's the link to my post about what I heard

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=223&start=80


LOL I sent both Deepak emails to Greta as soon as WW posted them

ETA- thanks for letting me know where it was mentioned, a few mentioned it last night but could not give me details where she said something about them.
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« Reply #953 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:13 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


I don't know.  I try to imagine if my son and husband were hauled off to jail, the media swarming my house, international pressure to solve the case, with my husband and son vowing their innocence. I'd naturally be thinking "why are they doing this"....and, wondering if my husband and son were scapegoats. I'd be totally out of my mind.

I know she's not as pulled together as Beth. And, hell maybe she is nuts. But, I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt right now.  She seemed very compassionate and caring during the meeting. And she has had her family devastated.  

I don't see any way this is her fault.
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« Reply #954 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:17 PM »

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mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.


If you look at the map, the McD in question is about where the upper left hand corner of the block indicating Jorn's house. It wouldn't take but a few minutes by car to get there. But, was someone else following J?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Images-Fun/map3.pdf Forgot the map.


but where is the cyberzone cafe..
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« Reply #955 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:41 PM »

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Maybe before Satish picked up Deepak at his work, Satish picked up Joran and they pick up Deepak next...


Sounds good. more feasible than picking Joran up after Deepak.
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« Reply #956 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:49 PM »

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<<Whichever NBA and NFL stars participate, they will be leaving Houston "sometime this weekend>>

Current Houston, TX resident, former Alabama resident, and former University of Alabama player Robert Horry seems to be a likely candidate.


Ha ha, what, you don't think they need Chas Barkley chatting everybody up, too?

The sports stars and celebrity searchers are part of the TES marketing plan when publicizing Missing Persons cases.  (Another one of their free services that is often invaluable.)
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« Reply #957 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:55 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

the  poor woman is living a Nightmare.Put yourself in her place .My Heart goes  out to her. and Beth.


Can't even imagine...it must be aweful for all the mothers.
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« Reply #958 on: June 24, 2005, 01:44:56 PM »

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the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?


I disagree.  The queries I've done show that "roofies" or Rohypnol, the date rape drug, acts in as little as 10 minutes depending on the person.  NH was a petite girl...on the order of 105 or 110 lbs and from most accounts had been drinking at least some.  I would think her reaction to such a drug would be on the low end of the time scale.
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« Reply #959 on: June 24, 2005, 01:45:22 PM »

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Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....   Sad


Said last nite: Can find both.
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