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« Reply #960 on: June 24, 2005, 01:46:20 PM »

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Why would someone want to kill Natalee Holloway?


Perhaps because she was threatening to go right to the police and report that she was raped.

And, neither Joran nor his father would allow that.


I pretty much think the rape charges wouldn't fly?
Natalee got in the car, the other two boys have said that she was making out with him .
It's her word against his , they are both good students.
There is more to this story.


I can't shake off the notion that everybody who has lived in Aruba for a long time, would say why commit a murder? You can't run, Aruba is an island!  Sooner than later you will be caught.  Well that is the premise then. .. surely there are murders and I do not have the police statistics or how many cases are actually resolved.
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« Reply #961 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:24 PM »

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Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....   Sad


Said last nite: Can find both.


Oh, asked and already answered.
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« Reply #962 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:28 PM »

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Strange question:  Suppose Natalee IS hidden somewhere on the island.  Could that Texas group find her with their equipment?  Or will their equipment only find dead bodies....   Sad


Said last nite: Can find both.


probably hidden gold/drugs/tunnels too..even in the ocean right?
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« Reply #963 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:31 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


I don't think so, I was thinking this myself.
Don't you think it would be better press if one guy messed up and his Dad covered it up than an actual kidnapping/sex-trade? People would still come (tourists if its the first one , not if its the second.


Better for the island to have one or a few specific individuals doing something hideous rather than a huge organized crime element


Exactly, none if this is making any sense!
His father was used to the law he would have known that he could help his son beat the rap if they all came clean from the start.
Natalee went willingly,it could have been proved accidental .
If 75% of Aruba's income is from tourists , they want to save that image of being save.
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« Reply #964 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:47 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

the  poor woman is living a Nightmare.Put yourself in her place .My Heart goes  out to her. and Beth.

Same here. You figure she was out of town and came back to a total nightmare. Both moms in this situation are living a nightmare in fact. The only difference is atleast Anita VDS can see her son, even if it is for 10 min a day, Natalees mom doesnt have the luxery.
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« Reply #965 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:50 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta


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I am trying to find a clip, but my impression was it was with the AP after her husband had been arrested. still looking for the clip


the article
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ARUBA_MISSING_TEEN?SITE=NCFAY&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

the video clip from AP
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/videolineups/video_iframe.html?videoName=0624dv_aruba_missing&videoHeadline=Another%20Arrest%20in%20Aruba%20Means%20More%20Mystery
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« Reply #966 on: June 24, 2005, 01:48:27 PM »

Its a long shot, but could this be the missing Sergio Gomez?  I have no idea how old the missing Sergio Gomez is, but this person in this link is named Sergio Gomez (I know its probably a very common name) but he speaks Dutch.  

http://www.icq.com/groups/members.php?gid=11995956

He is listed six rows up from the bottom.  His ICQ name is Capone.  His real name is listed as Sergio Gomez.  He's 19.
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« Reply #967 on: June 24, 2005, 01:48:27 PM »

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mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.


If you look at the map, the McD in question is about where the upper left hand corner of the block indicating Jorn's house. It wouldn't take but a few minutes by car to get there. But, was someone else following J?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Images-Fun/map3.pdf Forgot the map.
 

good work.  nice map.  But ... Paulus has to get up, dress, etc so i think 15-20 is conservative.  i don't hurry when my kid calls me unexpectedly for a ride at an odd hour.  why rush?  they shoulda planned ahead, especiallyi f they are not supposed to be our and i think they are home, unless they call and say dad, something bad has happened, i need your help ...
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« Reply #968 on: June 24, 2005, 01:49:33 PM »

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Quote from: "KackyLacky"
After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

the  poor woman is living a Nightmare.Put yourself in her place .My Heart goes  out to her. and Beth.

Same here. You figure she was out of town and came back to a total nightmare. Both moms in this situation are living a nightmare in fact. The only difference is atleast Anita VDS can see her son, even if it is for 10 min a day, Natalees mom doesnt have the luxery.


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I think if you go back, I was sympathetic to her, until I heard her say this is not about Natalee, and blaming others for the position her son and husband have placed themselves into at this time.
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« Reply #969 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:08 PM »

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Afternoon all!

OK. I still have questions about papa and mama v.d.Sloot and where they were on the night of Sunday 5/29-Mon 5/30.

 I thought last night we'd established that both were in Holland (which meant probably the two younger boys were with them and Joran was home alone in his bach pad) and that Paul had flown back to Aruba Sunday and Anita Wednesday. Right?

1. When exactly did Paul vds come back to Aruba? 5Pm Sun
2. Why did Joran have an 11 pm "curfew" on Sunday night (school nite), but was out after 1 am on Monday night/Tues. morning (school nite) gambling at the casinos and daddy didn't care? Mother was not home. (She said J told her if she'd been home he wouldn't have snuck out.)3. Why is there an account of Anita vds saying her husband was deep asleep Sunday night? How did she know if she was still in Holland? That's probably what he told he or she assumed. With a 6 hr time diff, I'd say that's REAL jet lag.
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« Reply #970 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:24 PM »

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the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?


iquitos- You sound very biased towards the South, We don't drink rot gut whiskey out of jugs thankyou. I find most of your post extremely hateful towards Southerners in general. Why is that???
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« Reply #971 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:10 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta


sandy
I am trying to find a clip, but my impression was it was with the AP after her husband had been arrested. still looking for the clip

If I recall this was right before or immediately after her husband was hauled off...if so...we gotta give her a break!
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« Reply #972 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:14 PM »

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Afternoon all!

OK. I still have questions about papa and mama v.d.Sloot and where they were on the night of Sunday 5/29-Mon 5/30.

 I thought last night we'd established that both were in Holland (which meant probably the two younger boys were with them and Joran was home alone in his bach pad) and that Paul had flown back to Aruba Sunday and Anita Wednesday. Right?

1. When exactly did Paul vds come back to Aruba?
2. Why did Joran have an 11 pm "curfew" on Sunday night (school nite), but was out after 1 am on Monday night/Tues. morning (school nite) gambling at the casinos and daddy didn't care?
3. Why is there an account of Anita vds saying her husband was deep asleep Sunday night? How did she know if she was still in Holland?


1. 5pm Sunday
2. Because papa van sloot doesnt care the next night they are covering up a murder together who cares how joran is spending that time and exams were over?
3. He may have had jetlag etc.
3.


No, we've already established that exams didn't start until the NEXT week. And Joran may have only had to take one or two because he took AP classes and those exams had been in May before Natalee ever came there. School said anyone taking AP exams didn't have to take final exams in that particular class.

But, again, how would ANITA have know WHAT her husband's sleep schedule was?? SHE WASN'T THERE.
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« Reply #973 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:51 PM »

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After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless Mad


Kacky, I did not hear that...How can she say that?? This is not about Natalie anymore??? PLEASE>>>>


Not sure of the timing of that interview but if it followed the one Greta did with the 2 families maybe she feels they tricked them, her family was betrayed by Beth and Greta

the  poor woman is living a Nightmare.Put yourself in her place .My Heart goes  out to her. and Beth.

Same here. You figure she was out of town and came back to a total nightmare. Both moms in this situation are living a nightmare in fact. The only difference is atleast Anita VDS can see her son, even if it is for 10 min a day, Natalees mom doesnt have the luxery.


Because for Aruba it's not anymore, its about saving there country.  There main income is from American Tourists
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« Reply #974 on: June 24, 2005, 01:52:40 PM »

i think avds is gonna be called in for an interview.. just a feeling....
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« Reply #975 on: June 24, 2005, 01:52:58 PM »

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Afternoon all!

OK. I still have questions about papa and mama v.d.Sloot and where they were on the night of Sunday 5/29-Mon 5/30.

 I thought last night we'd established that both were in Holland (which meant probably the two younger boys were with them and Joran was home alone in his bach pad) and that Paul had flown back to Aruba Sunday and Anita Wednesday. Right?

1. When exactly did Paul vds come back to Aruba?
2. Why did Joran have an 11 pm "curfew" on Sunday night (school nite), but was out after 1 am on Monday night/Tues. morning (school nite) gambling at the casinos and daddy didn't care?
3. Why is there an account of Anita vds saying her husband was deep asleep Sunday night? How did she know if she was still in Holland?


1. 5pm Sunday
2. Because papa van sloot doesnt care the next night they are covering up a murder together who cares how joran is spending that time and exams were over?
3. He may have had jetlag etc.
3.


No, we've already established that exams didn't start until the NEXT week. And Joran may have only had to take one or two because he took AP classes and those exams had been in May before Natalee ever came there. School said anyone taking AP exams didn't have to take final exams in that particular class.

But, again, how would ANITA have know WHAT her husband's sleep schedule was?? SHE WASN'T THERE.

Because she asked her husband and thats what he told her? I know if I was out of town and came home to something like this Id be yelling at my husband asking and what were you doing while this was happening?
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« Reply #976 on: June 24, 2005, 01:54:01 PM »

Joran Personality..interview with a school mate.(anomous no name)

1. He deals with stress by being quiet and meditates...and distance a bit.
2. He has a chick a few years ago... long term...
3. Were were just friends no relationship.
4. Joran 17 years, like many 17yrs here he partied, I never saw him drunk.
5. He was drug free. Never smokes.
6. He is popular and has alot friends.
7. I do not believe he did anthing, cept his story changed. But I think something happened with the chick, like too much alcohol.  I believe someone kidnapped her.
8. Do you know the VDS.. I know Anita. but never talked to PVDS
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« Reply #977 on: June 24, 2005, 01:54:48 PM »

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i think avds is gonna be called in for an interview.. just a feeling....


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« Reply #978 on: June 24, 2005, 01:54:55 PM »

have been observing a lot...

Can never keep up with the threads but  have to ask about time line of the LIE..
Please correct or add additional Items:

Joarn in School and the 30th

Beth & Jug meet with Joran & Dad early morning of 31st.
          (was deepak & brother there?)

Joarn takes Beth&Jug to HI here he states he left Nat.

AT some point Depak & bother confirm this.

Now all three say never went back to HI.

Any news on when brothers agreeded to cover story for Joran?
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« Reply #979 on: June 24, 2005, 01:55:19 PM »

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Why would someone want to kill Natalee Holloway?


Perhaps because she was threatening to go right to the police and report that she was raped.

And, neither Joran nor his father would allow that.


I pretty much think the rape charges wouldn't fly?
Natalee got in the car, the other two boys have said that she was making out with him .
It's her word against his , they are both good students.
There is more to this story.


I can't shake off the notion that everybody who has lived in Aruba for a long time, would say why commit a murder? You can't run, Aruba is an island!  Sooner than later you will be caught.  Well that is the premise then. .. surely there are murders and I do not have the police statistics or how many cases are actually resolved.


1 homicide a year for the last 3 years. Until 2005
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