RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[Itawamba]

Waaah!  Locked out again!  Every time you start a new folder, I'm still 2-3 pages from the end of the last one and trying to reply.  By the time I figure out there is a new folder, you have 3-4 pages already!

Isn't there some other way to warn people--like always on a certain page number, then 30 minutes after that page is finished, the whole folder will be locked?  Grrrr.

Who knows if I had something earth-shattering to post--by the time I get to the new folder and have missed all of the last 10 pages total, from the old one and the new one, then I have no idea what is being discussed or has been discussed.

I've read every page I could tonight and not one person described either of the major interviews in detail, so I could form an opinion about them.  Not everyone has cable -- you can't imagine what it's like to sit here and see everyone posting "I sure like the way Beth looks now" or blah blah blah yada yada and not ONE thing that was actually SAID in the interview.

Waaaaahhh!  Whine, whine.

[iquitos]

I can't believe I actually watched Larry King tonight. However, this little tid bit came out of the mouth of Mariane Croes with the attorney general's office in Aruba:

CROES: At this point the general description is that they are suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Ms. Holloway. That’s the general description. But because when we arrest somebody, you have to have a reasonable suspicion of specific crimes, so at this point all the suspects are arrested on the first crime of premeditated murder.

KING: So that is — is that a charge?

CROES: At this point it is only a reasonable suspicion. The definite accusation and in American system “charge” will be made when the investigation is finished. And the prosecutor has reviewed all of the evidence pertaining to this investigation

 

red, see my translation of the dutch press dispatch

[writergal]

The comment by Mariane Croes that the four are being held on suspicion of premeditated murder is very disturbing. And is this new as of tonight? Weren't the original charges "suspicion of murder and suspicion of kidnapping"? The premeditated part makes the situation a lot graver. I wonder what evidence they have for this? How awful.

[RB]

Isn't there some other way to warn people--like always on a certain page number, then 30 minutes after that page is finished, the whole folder will be locked? Grrrr

That's not a bad idea.  And actually I did give everyone a 5 min heads up before I locked it about an hour ago.   I'll take that one up with the team and see what we can do...

Thanks

[nancy_drew]

Why though if Beth thinks this is a kidnapping - would they bother with the Texas gang - they cannot find someone held in a basement for a kidnapping???

Even though Beth was very compelling in the interview...someone made the point that Natalee's Dad is far more realistic in noting there's not much of a chance she's alive.  He has spent alot of time with FBI and authorities, he gets the same updates Beth does...and he doesn't sound like there's a kidnapping or that there's much of a chance she's alive.

[LilOrphan]

Hey Nancy_Drew, I just got back and read your posts in the other forum re: the theory.  You make excellent points, and they're understood particularly in light of my own line of work.  As far as facts, go, though,  the only facts I was taking were those given out by Beth Holloway, things she has emphatically stated (or in some cases, what she hasn't said) time and time and time again in every interview.  If you look at what she has said, it's impossible to take it as a whole and make it fit into a rape/murder scenario with Joran, IMO.  Coupled with her attitude, her statements do paint only a few pictures.  That said, I'm not picking out wedding invitations with the idea.

I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name. Would love to have help just pursuing this -- it's no less plausible (or more offensive) than the whole random sex/drug or (God forbid) sold into porn stardom theories.   The individuals from Aruba who stated Paul VdS was arrested an hour before we found out it was true have also left a trail of specifics about the 'fifth suspect' that line-up with the bizarre outburst from the Diario guy on Fox re: car chase and Venezuela, and that post that came out before the story broke in America that Natalee was missing.  Sure it's still rumor and conjection, I know.

But so was the nutty story about a break-in at the Watergate Hotel -- before Woodward and Bernstein got on the story.

[bendex]

Well thats it for me to guys

" this subject is getting to death for my sword " shakespear

[BlueBob]

Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????

[luna]

I've read every page I could tonight and not one person described either of the major interviews in detail, so I could form an opinion about them.  Not everyone has cable -- you can't imagine what it's like to sit here and see everyone posting "I sure like the way Beth looks now" or blah blah blah yada yada and not ONE thing that was actually SAID in the interview.  Waaaaahhh!  Whine, whine.

Ita....I don't have access to cable either, so I go to the riehlworldview.com discussion forum for good recaps everynight....thanks to Allison!

[6prs'o'klompen]

Has anyone heard what "medications" Natalee left in her hotel room?

[WonderWoman]

Messed up my last post.

I think this fool from Dan's page was just so excited that he thought he had "inside information" that he couldn't pass up the opportunity.

And here I was just bragging on the fact that there are very few rumors going around town.  Shame on me!

yeah, probably

 

[6prs'o'klompen]

Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????

see, I was sure that Arubagirl verified this also

[inthepacific]

Ocicat -- thanks, that was the one show I had not tried for the video.

I did watch it. I am baffled.

I think Beth Twitty looks abosolutely exhausted and at her wit's end. I did not hear her say that she had any facts to back up her claim that Natalee was kidnapped -- I heard her say often that she 'felt', 'knew', had 'intuition' but nothing that makes me believe she has real information.

Just my take on things - I hope I am misinterpreting, but to me she just looked like a desperate mother grasping at straws. (I really, really hope I'm wrong.)

Now, I don't want to piss anyone off, but I haven't seen that woman break since the get go...how can she be strong??? This is what I can't believe! Is it her religious faith that has kept her strong???

I am not a religious person so I can't understand her strength in all of this. She has held up tremendously ever since she arrived on Aruba. Someone help me understand this behaviour by Mrs. Hollaway/Twitty.

I watched her on CNN tonight, with a cameraman in the back of her car...she is driving around the island!!! She dropped a person off/or picked someone up at the airport there. Answered her cell phone, told her TUG, I love you...and all the while she seemed just too much together.

I'm not running her down, but I guess I don't understand the strength and courage she is showing in all of this....

 

It's the first time she has looked exhausted..and she even said it was the first morning she wasn't sure if she could get out of bed. BUT, she's usually so articulate and and reliable in her comments...that's what made the kidnapping comments so shocking.  She very clearly states the "others" who she suspects will be arrested are also the same people who are keeping her on the island.

One thing I thought of is she's so firm on her belief Natalee's alive, she may have been trapped after she used the word kidnapping...meaning the three took Natalee...so where do you go from there?  If she thinks she's alive and also been taken by several, you gotta go the extra step of saying these people have her on the island alive.

Really don't know...it was a very different Beth Twitty interview IMO.

I didn't watch that interview Nancy, was looking for it and somebody provided a link to it on Fox but I still couldn't find it. I would have liked to watch that. Perhaps this is why she is holding up so well, she knows something we do not. If she thinks Natalee is alive, she may have good reason to believe, that from her sources within this investigation, they have told her they believe she is alive and being held captive somewhere.

[tuberide]

If they talk, their families will end up like the man that was beheaded.

I think the beheading rumor ended up not being in Aruba.  It was in Aruba, Iraq from what I understand.

it happened on the island as well..too tired to look for link but its in the Arubaam.com archives from a few days ago

[6prs'o'klompen]

If they talk, their families will end up like the man that was beheaded.

I think the beheading rumor ended up not being in Aruba.  It was in Aruba, Iraq from what I understand.

it happened on the island as well..too tired to look for link but its in the Arubaam.com archives from a few days ago

thanks tuberide... thought I was losin' my mind for a second there

[Scarlett]

Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????

No, it really did happen on the island.  It was reported in the paper, and gave the man's name, although I can't remember what it was, only that it was dutch.

[iquitos]

Why though if Beth thinks this is a kidnapping - would they bother with the Texas gang - they cannot find someone held in a basement for a kidnapping???

because they are already in train and this is breaking and still iffy for them  maybe fbi does not want ransom paid and maye they did not have contact for a while  the colombian nappers let you wait and sweat after initial contact teh reappear  sometimes months and natalee could be anywhere by now.  only question is why natalee?   did they mistake her for mcwane's daughter?

[luna]

Why though if Beth thinks this is a kidnapping - would they bother with the Texas gang - they cannot find someone held in a basement for a kidnapping???

Even though Beth was very compelling in the interview...someone made the point that Natalee's Dad is far more realistic in noting there's not much of a chance she's alive.  He has spent alot of time with FBI and authorities, he gets the same updates Beth does...and he doesn't sound like there's a kidnapping or that there's much of a chance she's alive.

Actually, it was reported tonight on another board that Nat's dad said she could be alive "and off the island."  How's that for a consistent theory from the parents?

[DAG]

Good Night All!!!

Sweet Dreams & remember to say your prayers.

God Bless Natalee, her family and her friends.

See y'all tomorrow.

[6prs'o'klompen]

Why though if Beth thinks this is a kidnapping - would they bother with the Texas gang - they cannot find someone held in a basement for a kidnapping???

because they are already in train and this is breaking and still iffy for them  maybe fbi does not want ransom paid and maye they did not have contact for a while  the colombian nappers let you wait and sweat after initial contact teh reappear  sometimes months and natalee could be anywhere by now.  only question is why natalee?   did they mistake her for mcwane's daughter?

who's mcwane?
maybe she was payment for drugs??