Lively Case Discussion #508 8/7 - 8/8/2006

[blah]

Most of us know Natalee is not alive and we know who killed her.  The question is what was done afterward.

This whole thing makes me mad!

She was buried in that dump.

[JA]

Joran is an out of control teen/young adult.  The night he took Natalee he would have had no reason to think the evening was going to end like it did.  He thought he was invinsible with his gambling, drinking, and conquests of women.  He thought and thinks of only himself.  His behaviors today still point to that attitude.  He has never been made to be accountable for his behaviors, and he hasn't probably since he has been a little boy.  I am SURE Paulus helped Joran out of this situation.  Paulus is not accountable either, he always just made Joran's problems "go away" as he did with this one.

[Kimmy53]

Does it strike anyone odd that Satish's statment on June 10th is completely different than that of Joran & Deepak?  It appears that those "interogating" (LOL- sarcasm) just let him ramble - did they ask any specific questions of him?  Why is his interview SO different?  Why not ask him specific questions?  Could it be because of the ineptness of the officers?  Or another reason?  You would think they would have some "line" of questioning to stick to....Again, I know - it's Aruba we are talking about!

[JA]

Let's say she was buried in the dump.  Didn't someone say that Joran liked crime stories or "studied" criminal cases?  Was that case out in Utah where the husband buried him wife at the landfill right before Natalee's disappearance?  This was the case where the hisband had lied to his wife about getting a job etc. and when his wife found out he killed her, wrapped he rin a rug,and placed her in a dumpster?  It took forever  to recover the small decomposed part of her body and they KNEW she was at the dump because of the video tape of him disposing the rug.

Possibly Joran had heard of this case off reading the internet and mimicked the disposal.

[blah]

From Deepak's interview:

To your question as to what is the purpose of going out, I can say the following. The purpose of going out to the casino is making money and going to "Carlos & Charlies" is to go and have a drink and for the good atmosphere.


How do they make money at the casino?  

No one gambles to make money.

[Kimmy53]

This is from Deepak's June 10th Statement:  To your question whether I think that if there is no body there is also no case, I can state the following.

Was there no answer to this question?  A typo?  Curious.

[Easywriter]

~ Poison Ivy ~

Touch it and it makes you itch.  Some where the truth kisses the sandy beaches and the air cries out with the taste of iodine drifting across the shoreline.  Natalee does not know where she is and she pleads to be taken back to the Holiday Inn.  Deepak hits her once and Satish joins in and delivers the fatal blow as she cries.  Silence…

[Kimmy53]

From Deepak's interview:

To your question as to what is the purpose of going out, I can say the following. The purpose of going out to the casino is making money and going to "Carlos & Charlies" is to go and have a drink and for the good atmosphere.


How do they make money at the casino?  

No one gambles to make money.

blah - I noticed this as well....very odd statement.  No one is assured of "making money" at a casino - OR ARE THEY?

[robots]

if she was buried in the DUMP

his sneakers would have gotten filty
maybe thats why his sneakers are missing

[robots]

if she was buried in the DUMP

his sneakers would have gotten filty
maybe thats why his sneakers are missing

i mean FILTHY  

[terryd270]

I guess I expected more help for Natalee's family from the government but being an American citizen we get all angry and fed-up and run out to the polls and re-elect them.. I know some don't want to make fun of Joran but I do know why he has the large forehead, he spent most of the time tripping over his hands and smashing his face on the ground, which didn't really have much of an effect except his forehead swelled to the size of a life raft. In Aruba it does seem that maybe parents should asked that age old question if your friends rape and kill a young girl, would you?  Just a thought..  Another thought, how difficult it was finding people who were willing to dispose of decapitated, bloody bodies. (Not to mention how they tend to smell in the summer months.)  By the way Joran there is a woman hiding in your closet, waiting to take you away with her, its RelayMedley..I think if Relaymedley was stalking me, I would take out a 50-foot restraining order against her sort of way.  

American that visit that island are aware that the food you order from that Aruban, has spit in your Coq au Vin. ("Chicken served in a van").  I'm sure want to get in a taxi that might be a taxi and might not with a smelly, ill-tempered driver and sticky seats with most the seatbelts missing.  I have no ill will against Aruba, I hope you get eaten alive by termites. You and all of your Caluffahshf hfp s murphhhamuffahrf frfffmpprfrf ( I don't know where that came from, sorry)..  The hotel rooms sound more like a place that your try to stay away from.. Taken from ArubaNonTruth.com"We had a place where, in order to use the bathroom, we had to fight off with a two-by-four the giant rats who had laid claim to the shower." I know when they say that Aruba is surrounded by the beauty of nature. ("Nature" in this case meaning "certain death.")..

Well I'm headed out the door for some coffee at Starbucks, Adolescent Mood Swing Coffee (sometimes it's really sweet, sometimes incredibly bitter -- you never know what you're going to get!) or the Mid-Life Crisis Meal (every meal comes with a little red sports car and a ditsy 20-year-old bleach-blonde model) or possibly the Biological Clock McNuggets (for a limited time... not available to those over the age of 45.)..  

OT
Katz,

Currious that your in the dating pool, did he do the wait a couple of days after the date to call you?  Thats an important rule of dating that says you have to wait a couple of days after a date before calling a girl..Apparently, if a girl thinks you're interested in her, that's a big turn-off. I don't understand it really, but I'm not going to argue about, it in the rule book...

[terryd270]

Has anyone seen Widget?  Well gotta go and drink my coffee and ride my bike, since it seems that gas prices are going sky high..

[Kimmy53]

From Satish's June 10th statement:

This may be nothing, but Satish mentions "Steve" and "Digicel":

My brother Deepak told me that Steve had said to him that he had seen us. I myself do not know Steve. My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel. I don't personally know Steve.

Isn't Charles Croes = Digicel?  Could it be possible that Satish has a slip of the tongue - and in a small way implicates Charles Croes - not specifically Steve Croes?

[Kimmy53]

if she was buried in the DUMP

his sneakers would have gotten filty
maybe thats why his sneakers are missing

robots - It could tie in with the roadblocks put in front of TES etc. when they were trying to search there.....Also the "re-filling" of the areas they were trying to search!

[2NJSons_Mom]

if she was buried in the DUMP

his sneakers would have gotten filty
maybe thats why his sneakers are missing

robots - It could tie in with the roadblocks put in front of TES etc. when they were trying to search there.....Also the "re-filling" of the areas they were trying to search!

I had the same thought.  Seems they all may be linked.  Tylergal, however, mentioned another Steve last night.  Right now, I do not remember the last name.  

Will be lurking and working.

[whytegirl]

Hi everybody...RED GET IN YOUR EMAIL, MRS. RED AND TOM - SOME MONKEYS GOT IT TOO!!!

ARUBA OPENS A SALES OFFICE IN SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO

http://www.worldlingo.com/SH0gfCf2o9dNJoaaKs7Q3g5BAFqW1n_uK/translatehttp://www.worldlingo.com/SH0gfCf2o9dNJoaaKs7Q3g5BAFqW1n_uK/translate

Like part of its aggressive efforts to diversify the demand of visitors who arrive at the island of Aruba, the Association of Hotels and Tourism of Aruba (Ahata, by its abbreviations in English) opened an office of sales in San Juan destined to trade that island as an attractive destiny for the market of groups and incentives.

This office is product of the new division of trade “Meet Aruba” that created Ahata for this aim, indicated Fishing Jorge, president and main executive official of Ahata. This Puerto Rican, who has been residing in Aruba for two years and means, directed by 10 years (from 1993 to 2004) the Negotiated one of Conventions of Puerto Rico, the organization that trades and promotes the Island as attractive destiny to make meetings and conventions.

“In Puerto Rico there is a corporative community and of associations that throughout celebrate meetings of all type of incentives the year, as much locally as outside the Island. Our plan is to present/display to Aruba like an excellent alternative for these events, and thus to create a balance between the tourism of leisure and the tourism of conventions”, pointed the executive.

The effort is directed by Veronica Valley, manager of sales of “Meet Aruba” in Puerto Rico, with the support of Mayline Menéndez, director of sales in the regional office of Miami.

The economic activity of the island of Aruba depends in 80.6% of the tourist industry. The past year, this island, that has 100.000 inhabitants and 8.000 hotel rooms, received the visit of 1.3 million tourists, the majority originating of the segment of leisure of the United States, Europe and Latin America. The expenses of the tourists promoted to $700 million that year.

Fishery said that the tourist of conventions is very under then as soon as she arrives at 6%, and the goal is to duplicate the contribution in a period of three to five years.

“We created the division “Meet Aruba” because we felt an emptiness in how we traded the segment of conventions and meetings in the United States, and have exported the roll for Canada and Puerto Rico”, the executive explained, who added that that Caribbean country has many qualities to attract the market that it persecutes.

It said that Aruba is a highly accessible place, with an excellent infrastructure. In fact, one of the efforts that it persecutes Ahata is to obtain that the American Airlines airline increases its flights from San Juan.

It added that the island counts with more than 100.000 square feet of assembly halls, has “an extraordinary” climate, hotel diversity, and some of their beaches even offer access to wireless Internet.

“Also it has different topography and it offers security”, showed Fishery, that it reiterated as well that although the continuous public diffusion of the case of the young Natalee American Holloway, disappeared from May of the year last during a trip to Aruba, it affected the image of the island, the country is returning to resurge as a tourist destiny surely.

[blah]

if she was buried in the DUMP

his sneakers would have gotten filty
maybe thats why his sneakers are missing

robots - It could tie in with the roadblocks put in front of TES etc. when they were trying to search there.....Also the "re-filling" of the areas they were trying to search!

also, when they were recorded in the back of the police car, deepak tells him if they find the body, he will get 15 years.  At that point they hadnt begun looking in the water had they? (this would be the only other likely place that the body would be)  If they hadnt been looking in the water yet, Deepaks line wouldnt have been as effective at torquing Joran.

[Kimmy53]

Juen 10th statements:

According to Deepak:To your question as to where we usually go, I can state the following. We usually go to the casino and to "Carlos & Charlies".

According to Joran:We usually went to "Carlos & Charlies", "Tantra" and "Bahia". We usually went to these places to dance and to drink. Sometimes "Freddy" and "Koen" went with us to those nite-clubs. When we went out we drove in Deepak's car.

Curious that Deepak & Joran's answers are inconsistant.  According to Joran - they always take Deepak's car - and Deepak doesn't tell of the "other" bars they go to?  Perhaps an oversight - perhaps more of Joran's "over detailing of lies"

[Jtallent7018]

Hi Kimmy and thanks for the welcome. I should have properly introduced myself but I posted before the coffee was ready. I'm Josie from SC.

I agree with you. I think the whole group of Island Pimps hold secrets and truths. Going back to Joran's statement, we did it at least 20 times before  and nothing happened. I think it was a "PIMP" thing..to take pretty young American girls, drug them, take them to Jorans pad and make their videos, party all night then return the girls to their hotels. They just didn't expect to take a girl that probably had a bad reaction to the drugs being she had asthma. I will forever believe that Paulus was involved as much as the boys.

I agree.  Paulus needs to rot in hell.

I tell ya, San...  even if Paulus had nothing what-so-ever to do with Natalee's death ~ for absolute certain ~ he's fully aware what happened to her by now...

And most likely even before that ~ he most likely at least knew that she was dead ~ and arranged to dispose of her body...

And I truly do blame him most...

Paulus is an embarrassment.

[Jtallent7018]

 I tell ya, San...  even if Paulus had nothing what-so-ever to do with Natalee's death ~ for absolute certain ~ he's fully aware what happened to her by now...

And most likely even before that ~ he most likely at least knew that she was dead ~ and arranged to dispose of her body...

And I truly do blame him most...

Paulus is an embarrassment.

Paulus was sweating bullets for some reason and I don't think it was just for his son...I think he thought he was going down for disposing of Natalee's body or paying Koen to do it.   Funny the fish trap came up missing when it did...I wish they would continue the water search...I wonder if Aruba is keeping Tim Miller from searching.