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« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2005, 10:43:50 PM »

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You are mighty quick to blame the parents of this woman


If it's any consolation, I saw someone on another website blaming the Runaway Bride.
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« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2005, 10:43:53 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.


Like a bad episode of Miami Vice. (Assuming that there were any good ones)

Lets just thank god they were not playing ...

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dude - it's stayin' alive now...
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« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2005, 10:43:54 PM »

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Does it mean planned or just not done in the "heat of moment, or not involuntary here? And I wonder if pre-meditated means the same thing there that it does here? Anyone??


It means, with malice aforethought.  If they have reasonable suspicion that Natalee was drugged (Steve-Deepak-Joran connection) with the intent to commit a crime (kidnapping/rape), then that constitutes premeditation.
 
Even if Natalee's death was an unintentional accident, if someone dies while in the commission of a felony, it is, legally, murder.

If an armed robber walks into a convenient store, tells everyone to drop to the ground, and steals $100 from the register and leaves.  That robber, who had not intentions of killing anyone, can now be charged in the 1st degree murder of the 80-year old woman in the store who was terrified and dropped dead of a massive heart attack.
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« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2005, 10:44:26 PM »

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Aunt Twitty:

"and of course, he wasn't home, he was at a casino".....

OMG how flippin awful!!  

and........."why would he tell his son not to say anything?"

He's a lawyer, why wouldn't he advise his son not to talk!! Joran's own lawyer said he doesn't agree that he is not present during initial interrogation!  

This family is beginning to irritate me with the way they are judging this family!  We all want the best for our kids, and we all make mistakes...


Glass Houses Twitty's, Glass Houses!!!


OK girlfriend I don't want to fight but:

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OK I have not taken sides so to speak, but By God if this was my daughter I guess I would be considered a cowgirl, because I would leave no stone unturned. If this was my son, and I have one who is in Iraq as we speak, I would ORDER him to talk to the parents of a girl who came to my door in the middle of the night saying he was the last known person with her. I would MAKE him tell what he knew.......no if ands or buts, and if it incriminated him, then I would deal with that then.


and i stand by that to this minute.
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« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2005, 10:44:46 PM »

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I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN>>THAY ARE PLAYING STAYIN ALIVE


who was here last night who said that
 Question  "innocent people don't play musical alibies???
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« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2005, 10:45:13 PM »

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((((HUGS)))

Anyhow, is it just me, or does anyone else feel frustrated due to the "english" language understanding barrier, that when these Aruba people are interviewed they get lead into this rabbit hole...almost like they are on the stand as a trial witness... I feel more confused everytime they do an interview. Everything they say is so misconstrued...

Maybe it's just me...
Put feet up and de-stress, in whichever manner you prefer.  At least you aren't in St. Louis where they have smoke all in the air and exploding oxygen tanks.

I can dig it.  The language thing evokes feelings ranging from hilariious to riduculous to maddening.  Simple phrases get all bent out of shape, engendering all manner of linguistic misinterpretations.  This is my favorite from today:  "the 17 whose birth day it is..." (meaning "the 17-year-old") and so on for everyone whose age was mentioned in the article.  

Some of the English-Papiamento tranlation sources are so clueless that I begin to think I might consider a career change and learn Papiamento.  It's easier to read Papiamento itself than an bad translation.  One of the few positive things to come out of this saddness, speaking for myself alone, is the awareness of the Arubian culture and a desire to know more.  I believe it was Iquitos who explained that their particular language was an offshoot of the Jewish exodus from Andalusia, sometime in the 15's (I hope I remembered that correctly).  What a beautiful people.

The misunderstandings  because of the language barrier take place on both sides of it, as we can tell from reading some of the Aruba posts.  

Oh, another crazy-maker:  trying to do any sort of search on people from Aruba.  I'm not doing very well with descriptors, thinking maybe if I could use the word in Papiamento my results would be better (but then, I wouldn't be able to read them).  I have tried every permutation I could imagine to find info on Lorenzo van Rijg, or van Gijn, whichever spelling you choose.  


I ramble.  To sum it up:  YES, I share your frustration, at the same time feeling like we've come out of the rabbit hole and are already at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

Please excuse me for going on so long~but it's a subject I'd bend pondering.[/i]

Lausa, alot of the posters here can help you when you are trying to serach for info. like that


Me too . I pulled up VGB Security site. I think it's in Dutch and translation made absolutely no sense. DOn't know what I thought I would find anyway. The only thing I could find is there is a rene van heijerwhatever that plays in tennis tournaments. The rest of them just google to blogs.... could find nothing on lorenzo except somebody from Aruba on Riehlworl connecting him with a guy from WIS or MI ( I can't remember) that lives in Aruba who has a naughty site advertising prostitution svc (I guess I meant escort) in Aruba. THey were tying that to the porn tapes that Geraldo brought up. max arends site has photo pictures of friends and one of those is connected to a weird, slightly sleazy looking dirty old man named Marten who has about 1700 pictures of young girls on his site. I just couldn't quite bring myself to open a tickle account so I could drill down on the pictures and comments.  Never could find reference to the almost decapitation except on blogs.
And they call this the world wide web?? I want real links not blogs, darn it. I'm in the cyber sleuth mode and I'm reduced to reading Bryan's predictions. I guess I need a life.... Wink   Smile  Smile
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« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2005, 10:45:15 PM »

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Meanwhile, what's this story about a CourtTV report about someone else from the Alabama flights and staying at the HI being missing? That could shed an entirely new light on the whole affair. Apparently Greta would address this, but I haven't heard anything about it yet.


Huh? I haven't heard this one yet -- not that I've read everything.

Details?
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« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2005, 10:45:35 PM »

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so I am assuming then... that if you HAD a daughter and she was missing... you would behaving so much more civilized than Jug. HUH.  I guess you really live up to that screenname of yours. Glass house, baby.


heartache, I can certainly say that I would not act as he is....because BULLYING people gets you nowhere, c'mon that's a given....
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« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2005, 10:45:41 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.


Like a bad episode of Miami Vice. (Assuming that there were any good ones)

Lets just thank god they were not playing ...

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Beach-Boys/Kokomo.html


Hey when I get to Aruba I am dressing up as Don Johnson, and listening to Jan Hammer on my IPOD. After this case Aruba will need tourism the way NY did after 911.
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« Reply #109 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:04 PM »

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Natalee seems to have a vast array of aunts.

I think we need a family tree.
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« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:11 PM »

yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?
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« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:24 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


He said that on FOX about 30 minutes or so ago.. I think others on here heard the same thing as I did!! Im sure it will be repeated again on tv!!
Im not sticking up for JVDS by all means.. Just mentioned that teens arnt perfect.....!!  If there is a perfect teen out there.. Id LOVE to meet them in person!!  But it was on Fox.. it was JUG who said it!
I aint stinkin up fer him either, but when I was a teen ever gilr I took someplace always got back alive!
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« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:26 PM »

SOT
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« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:30 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?


i think they put up a new thread for that didn't they????


We sure did.  Comments and debate about the "email" go here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=223
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« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2005, 10:46:36 PM »

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You are mighty quick to blame the parents of this woman. The hell they are in seems to make me give them a wide berth. I would be screaming mad myself.



There are a lot of people here that are mighty quick to put the blames on joran , his parents and the rest in custody!! As far as we ALL know the only thing so far he`s quilty of is lying not murder... In those circumstances I don`t think he`s the only one who would lie if you been the "supposed" last to see a girl who dissapeared.
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« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2005, 10:47:33 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?



I am sure those pictures have MANY of the same people in them!! They are kids' with an adult atmosphere surrounding them.
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« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2005, 10:47:50 PM »

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BULLYING people gets you nowhere, c'mon that's a given....

Maybe in your world...
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« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2005, 10:48:02 PM »

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((((HUGS)))

Anyhow, is it just me, or does anyone else feel frustrated due to the "english" language understanding barrier, that when these Aruba people are interviewed they get lead into this rabbit hole...almost like they are on the stand as a trial witness... I feel more confused everytime they do an interview. Everything they say is so misconstrued...

Maybe it's just me...
Put feet up and de-stress, in whichever manner you prefer.  At least you aren't in St. Louis where they have smoke all in the air and exploding oxygen tanks.

I can dig it.  The language thing evokes feelings ranging from hilariious to riduculous to maddening.  Simple phrases get all bent out of shape, engendering all manner of linguistic misinterpretations.  This is my favorite from today:  "the 17 whose birth day it is..." (meaning "the 17-year-old") and so on for everyone whose age was mentioned in the article.  

Some of the English-Papiamento tranlation sources are so clueless that I begin to think I might consider a career change and learn Papiamento.  It's easier to read Papiamento itself than an bad translation.  One of the few positive things to come out of this saddness, speaking for myself alone, is the awareness of the Arubian culture and a desire to know more.  I believe it was Iquitos who explained that their particular language was an offshoot of the Jewish exodus from Andalusia, sometime in the 15's (I hope I remembered that correctly).  What a beautiful people.

The misunderstandings  because of the language barrier take place on both sides of it, as we can tell from reading some of the Aruba posts.  

Oh, another crazy-maker:  trying to do any sort of search on people from Aruba.  I'm not doing very well with descriptors, thinking maybe if I could use the word in Papiamento my results would be better (but then, I wouldn't be able to read them).  I have tried every permutation I could imagine to find info on Lorenzo van Rijg, or van Gijn, whichever spelling you choose.  


I ramble.  To sum it up:  YES, I share your frustration, at the same time feeling like we've come out of the rabbit hole and are already at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

Please excuse me for going on so long~but it's a subject I'd bend pondering.[/i]

Lausa, alot of the posters here can help you when you are trying to serach for info. like that


Me too . I pulled up VGB Security site. I think it's in Dutch and translation made absolutely no sense. DOn't know what I thought I would find anyway. The only thing I could find is there is a rene van heijerwhatever that plays in tennis tournaments. The rest of them just google to blogs.... could find nothing on lorenzo except somebody from Aruba on Riehlworl connecting him with a guy from WIS or MI ( I can't remember) that lives in Aruba who has a naughty site advertising prostitution svc (I guess I meant escort) in Aruba. THey were tying that to the porn tapes that Geraldo brought up. max arends site has photo pictures of friends and one of those is connected to a weird, slightly sleazy looking dirty old man named Marten who has about 1700 pictures of young girls on his site. I just couldn't quite bring myself to open a tickle account so I could drill down on the pictures and comments.  Never could find reference to the almost decapitation except on blogs.
And they call this the world wide web?? I want real links not blogs, darn it. I'm in the cyber sleuth mode and I'm reduced to reading Bryan's predictions. I guess I need a life.... Wink   Smile  Smile



Seems like you got a good grip on it...
still more questions than answers
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« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2005, 10:48:05 PM »

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One point of great interest to me is who Jovorkian left the beach with.  If he left with the elder Van der Sweatsalot and “something bad”, at least an act perpetrated or witnessed by Jovorkian, happened then it follows that his father is complicit or at least has knowledge.  If  he left with his father and he left her on the beach intact, as he apparently maintains, then obviously there is nothing for the father to be complicit in other than lying.  On the other hand, if either Deepdish or Saliva provided transportation from the beach then they either know what happened and/or are complicit in the coverup and or disposal.

Of course, we do not even know, with any certainty, that young Van der Slut was left on the beach with her in the first place.  We only have the statements of the boys themselves and second hand accounts thereof.  If Dipshit and Salacious did indeed drop them off at the beach in close proximity to the hotels it is unlikely that Jordache had any plan to engage in foul play and either he left her there passed out or whatever happened was accidental or perpetrated by a third party.  Based upon all the information that I have learned, I believe that they were indeed dropped off at the beach near the hotels.

I have also not heard any discussion, assuming that there was a disposal, regarding the logistics of this area and the feasibility of dragging a body to their vehicle without being seen or leaving tracks or some sort of evidence.

There is no evidence of any sort of drug use be it voluntary or otherwise.  The speculation regarding the drug overdose amazes me, particularly in light of the descriptions given of her condition upon leaving Crackhouse and Colmes.

I further gather, based on the fact that the local authorities are still mired down in trying to trip up these people in the details of the stories and that the elder Van der Hosen was arrested based on some trivial statement made to Gretsel Van Slurredspeach that they really don’t have much of a case.  As the talking heads are now saying, without a body and or a confession these guys will all walk.

Like most everyone else here I know very little about what actually happened.  I do know with certainty that the media is doing everyone a disservice in this case by disseminating false and misleading information, placing themselves in the middle of the story and engaging in massive speculation.  Greyhair Van My Mouth is Crooked should shut up and go home.  I also can’t help but think to myself that Aruba is somewhat less than my idea of a tropical paradise, at least from the images I am seeing, although it might be worth a trip just to score some X and then hang out at the garbage filled quarry behind Deepshit’s house.


A very thoughtfull and funny account of Yora Van Derslut, Deepshitpak, and Satishsomeshitwerin Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2005, 10:48:50 PM »

Just curious guys.... what party and music are you all talking about Confused ?
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