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« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2005, 10:48:56 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2005, 10:48:59 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


Let's face it, Joran is spoiled rotten.  Some kids can handle the freedom, some can't.  Joran overindulges...well he DID...and he thought he could get away with murder...oooops..did I say that?
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« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2005, 10:49:05 PM »

Ting or anyone - on the Aunt point

The aunt who was just on with Greta kept saying something about her brother - is that Jug or father or someone else? anyone know?
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« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2005, 10:49:10 PM »

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where does the kidnaping charge come from?

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Kidnapping, in a legal sense, does not necessarily mean a child abducted and held for ransom.  

In Natalee's case, being drugged against her will and transported anywhere constitutes kidnapping.

If she said, 'drop me off at the Holiday Inn', and Joran said, 'Deepak, take us to my house, and she objects; from that moment forward, both Deepak and Joran are legally conspiring to kidnap Natalee.
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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2005, 10:49:38 PM »

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BULLYING people gets you nowhere, c'mon that's a given....

Maybe in your world...


Perf - play nice or leave.  Move on, people.
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« Reply #125 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:06 PM »

Uh... I would hardly term NH 's stepfather and husband of Beth's, behaviour thus far as "bullying". You called him annoying.  Which is frankly, beyond annoying.
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« Reply #126 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:22 PM »

Hi everyone! I'm watching Nancy Grace, and what's this about a lake being searched today? They also talked to Natalee's aunt (her dad's sister) that the owner of the Tattoo won't hand over the logs of whether the party boat was out the night she went missing. I thought they said before that it did go out that night? The more I read and watch, the more confused I get and I've been following this from the beginning!
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BTW, x911, I'm only about 5-10 miles from you, I could run over some smokes  Very Happy
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« Reply #127 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:31 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?


i think they put up a new thread for that didn't they????


We sure did.  Comments and debate about the "email" go here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=223

ok for those that didn't understand my post, WonderWoman said JUG is too close to the case.
WonderWoman posted the email from Deepack.
WonderWoman obviously knows someone who knows Deepack.
WonderWoman is close to this case too on the defense side hence her always sticking up for them and putting Nattalie and her family down.
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« Reply #128 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:35 PM »

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Just curious guys.... what party and music are you all talking about Confused ?


Greta is at the HI. During her interviews there's a party downstairs and they're pretty loud...
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« Reply #129 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:45 PM »

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I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN>>THAY ARE PLAYING STAYIN ALIVE


Part of the lyrics:

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
I'm stayin' alive.
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« Reply #130 on: June 24, 2005, 10:50:51 PM »

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Does it mean planned or just not done in the "heat of moment, or not involuntary here? And I wonder if pre-meditated means the same thing there that it does here? Anyone??


It means, with malice aforethought.  If they have reasonable suspicion that Natalee was drugged (Steve-Deepak-Joran connection) with the intent to commit a crime (kidnapping/rape), then that constitutes premeditation.
 
Even if Natalee's death was an unintentional accident, if someone dies while in the commission of a felony, it is, legally, murder.

If an armed robber walks into a convenient store, tells everyone to drop to the ground, and steals $100 from the register and leaves.  That robber, who had not intentions of killing anyone, can now be charged in the 1st degree murder of the 80-year old woman in the store who was terrified and dropped dead of a massive heart attack.


Thanks for the info. So if I understand...if it was unintentional accident it is still premeditated if it occured during commission of other premeditated crime. So the converse would be that if she was not kidnapped or drugged, and say died from choking on a hamburger..would that still be premeditated or something lesser?
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« Reply #131 on: June 24, 2005, 10:51:30 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


He said that on FOX about 30 minutes or so ago.. I think others on here heard the same thing as I did!! Im sure it will be repeated again on tv!!
Im not sticking up for JVDS by all means.. Just mentioned that teens arnt perfect.....!!  If there is a perfect teen out there.. Id LOVE to meet them in person!!  But it was on Fox.. it was JUG who said it!
I aint stinkin up fer him either, but when I was a teen ever gilr I took someplace always got back alive!


LOL Mike.. I hear yah,.. whne I went out with men. I made it home also.. trust me if I wasnt home in time. my mom and dad came out looking for me.. caught me parking as well..  Embarassed  Im not saint..!
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« Reply #132 on: June 24, 2005, 10:51:45 PM »

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« Reply #133 on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:14 PM »

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I HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN>>THAY ARE PLAYING STAYIN ALIVE


Heard it too Nikki.. WTF?  Now I got that damn song in my head and havnt heard it in years..



If they platy "Another one bites the dust" I am gonna start thinking they are doing this crap on purpose...

I love Greta, but if she says "carlos and CHARLIE" one more time, i am gonna smack her head..it has an S on the end..grrrrrrr!!!!
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« Reply #134 on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:38 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?


Although unlikely, it could just be that the cover story was concocted after they learned she went missing and didn't want to get blamed.  More likely they are hiding something.
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« Reply #135 on: June 24, 2005, 10:52:52 PM »

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Ting or anyone - on the Aunt point

The aunt who was just on with Greta kept saying something about her brother - is that Jug or father or someone else? anyone know?


coco, I have no clue. I am positively dizzy from the aunt swarm. I had a brief flash of hope on Larry King, who tonight featured one who was not blonde. But five minutes later I realized that her non-blondness was the only thing I could grasp. Both her name, and her place in the geneaology faded into the auntmist.
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« Reply #136 on: June 24, 2005, 10:53:13 PM »

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BULLYING people gets you nowhere, c'mon that's a given....

Maybe in your world...


Perf - play nice or leave.  Move on, people.

Perfect example!
You are bullying me.
See WonderWoman....
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« Reply #137 on: June 24, 2005, 10:53:15 PM »

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was it ever determined who "Lorenzo" was?  I may have missed that posting.  The reason I ask is that I ran across a reference and a quote from a Captain Lorenzo who has a deep sea fishing boat.

Of course, I am sure there as many Lorenzo's with boats in Aruba as there are owl's in Wisconsin.
Please, give up the goods!  What web address?

All I've found are the references to a car rental company (under name van Rijn)

I keep scouring all the photo sites to see if I might recognize someone who could be Lorenzo, which is crazy because I have no idea what he might possibly look like.

Only know what I knew in the first place:  Lorenzo van Rijn (aka van Gijn) is rumored (stress on rumored) to be the illegitimate son of PDVS, born prior to his marriage to Anita.  One source mentioned they were close to each other.  I've also heard him described as crazy, into drugs, and fond of spraypainting his house.  His (step) father is rumored to have had problems with drugs and to have committed suicide several years ago.  

Why I feel like he's more connected than not, I really don't know, but I do.


Ok, forget it then.  This one is much older and works at the ferry dock helping tourists decide which boats to use for fishing, scuba, shark watching etc.  Obviously isn't the same one since the name is Irasmus.  Thank you anyway for responding.
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« Reply #138 on: June 24, 2005, 10:53:17 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.


Like a bad episode of Miami Vice. (Assuming that there were any good ones)

Lets just thank god they were not playing ...

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Beach-Boys/Kokomo.html




OMG>>THEY ARE PLAYING STAYIN"ALIVE!!!!!!!!!


my hubby was on his computer, knowing what I was into on mine, and said the same thing about the song Stayin Alive.... Shocked  Shocked
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« Reply #139 on: June 24, 2005, 10:54:35 PM »

Ok thanks RB Wink I thougth the greta crew was partying Shocked
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