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« Reply #220 on: June 24, 2005, 11:18:32 PM »

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You are always defending them ...why?


I am with WonderWoman on that!

I`ll do the same thing so you can blame me for that also, by the way I don`t know any of them !

I only think it`s fair to see both sides here not only one side. I think it`s very narrow-minded, just what I said before, if you are that age and you are in the same situation what would you do if you are "the supposed last"
who saw a missing girl?? So I think it`s only human that does not make you a murderer tho!
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« Reply #221 on: June 24, 2005, 11:19:18 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


You are always defending them ...why?


Because nobody else does....
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« Reply #222 on: June 24, 2005, 11:19:24 PM »

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Ting or anyone - on the Aunt point

The aunt who was just on with Greta kept saying something about her brother - is that Jug or father or someone else? anyone know?

I think her brother is Nat's father but hey, they all look alike and have funny names.


That Aunt is the sister of Natalee's father (not stepfather)
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« Reply #223 on: June 24, 2005, 11:19:43 PM »

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Playing devil's advocate

Wench, I rather don't look at it that way.  With some of the unclear statements made by both sides (yeah Jug musta been tired tonight - ask Absolut) I still don't have a feeling one way or the other who did what when.


Jug was all over the place tonight (i understand why) but pretty soon the Twittys will have landed on the Island before Natalee disappeared.
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« Reply #224 on: June 24, 2005, 11:19:45 PM »

Dragonfly - any thoughts where we can get more info on the "missing guy" (thank you for the reminder on not knowing - we need it as a mantra)
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« Reply #225 on: June 24, 2005, 11:20:28 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


Probably wouldn't have happened if they had told the truth from the beginning instead of helping put 2 guys behind bars that were completely innocent from day one.  Wasn't Mickey John in there pointing fingers at other people.  He just told the truth.  Those who lied got themselves (and innocent others) put behind bars.



You have no evidence of that, you are only speculating. Do you know Mickey John?
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« Reply #226 on: June 24, 2005, 11:20:59 PM »

oh damn..here we go...
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« Reply #227 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:12 PM »

<<It means, with malice aforethought. If they have reasonable suspicion that Natalee was drugged (Steve-Deepak-Joran connection) with the intent to commit a crime (kidnapping/rape), then that constitutes premeditation.

Even if Natalee's death was an unintentional accident, if someone dies while in the commission of a felony, it is, legally, murder.

If an armed robber walks into a convenient store, tells everyone to drop to the ground, and steals $100 from the register and leaves. That robber, who had not intentions of killing anyone, can now be charged in the 1st degree murder of the 80-year old woman in the store who was terrified and dropped dead of a massive heart attack.>>


Scott, your scenarios are applications of the felony-murder rule.  Not sure if that's part of Aruban law, or what falls under it.

As posted earlier, premeditation could be found through a refusal to contact police or to seek legitimate medical help after an emergency resulting from one's intentional act.  Again, not sure about Aruban law here.

While I'm at it with stuff I don't know, can someone confirm the Aruban legal definition of "complicity"?  One board admin here and one TV talking head said that it precludes involvement in the actual crime - that, for this case, it involves only a post-crime cover-up.  However, the spokesperson has asserted that the suspicion re: PVDS covers the disappearance itself, and was not limited to a cover-up.  If "complicity"  does not cover this, then what potential charge for PVDS would?
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« Reply #228 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:28 PM »

Off track alittle...........when y'all are talking about the radio station in Aruba called dag it always freaks me out.  DAG (my screen name) is my initials.
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« Reply #229 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:42 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?


Not defensive, defending, because it's wrong

It's NOT against the law, that is my point! Nor does it make for a murderer or rapist!


But it IS against the law for Joran, since he's underage.  Natalee is 18 - so if she was drinking and gambling it was legal!  

While watching Greta tonight she confirmed that Joran was gambling all day with his dad at the Holiday Inn, until his dad got tired and went home.  I know that we knew that Joran was at the hotel casino (and met Natalee in the casino), but did we know that his dad was there with him all day?  Did dad meet Natalee and have a conversation with her by any chance?  

Also, I thought that was the day that Paul VDS game back from his trip - did he actually come back the day before?  Sorry - so many facts / rumors / speculations that I'm getting confused!
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« Reply #230 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:52 PM »

Leslie Sprenger wrote:


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Where is Daddy Kalpoe?



I`ll bet far far away right now~!!
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« Reply #231 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:53 PM »

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Dragonfly - any thoughts where we can get more info on the "missing guy" (thank you for the reminder on not knowing - we need it as a mantra)


I don't know.  She didn't give any other information about him.  Just that he was on the same flight with Natalee to Aruba.  Someone mentioned a story on another news show or something, but I don't have enough information really to do a search unless there is some other article or something out there about it.
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« Reply #232 on: June 24, 2005, 11:21:58 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


You are always defending them ...why?


Because, WW is keeping an open mind...because, whether we like it or not, we don't have the evidence to string them from the nearest tree yet. just my opinion now folks. I'm not about to be a bodyguard for wonder woman. They'd call me the fat friend with the good personality.  Laughing


My heart tells me that Nat's mother's instincts are right on, especially since my gut tells me these guys are hiding something (first hint...liars...everyone of them).  But I definately ate crow when Elizabeth Smart was found.  The case was NOTHING like anyone thought.  The possibility that she was kidnapped by some religious fanatic and was wandering around in her own town never entered anyone's mind, did it?  I think they did "something bad" to NH but until we know...we don't know.
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« Reply #233 on: June 24, 2005, 11:22:00 PM »

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Playing devil's advocate

Wench, I rather don't look at it that way.  With some of the unclear statements made by both sides (yeah Jug musta been tired tonight - ask Absolut) I still don't have a feeling one way or the other who did what when.


Jug was all over the place tonight (i understand why) but pretty soon the Twittys will have landed on the Island before Natalee disappeared.


I caught that too. It was definitely one of those HUH??? moments.
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« Reply #234 on: June 24, 2005, 11:22:08 PM »

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I still love how she pronounces his name "Urine".  I love that.  Even when she interviews someone that prounounces it correctly, she still says "Urine".  lol.  So funny!!!!!   Laughing


urine deepshit..nice


Yeah, really nice.....
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« Reply #235 on: June 24, 2005, 11:22:21 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


Probably wouldn't have happened if they had told the truth from the beginning instead of helping put 2 guys behind bars that were completely innocent from day one.  Wasn't Mickey John in there pointing fingers at other people.  He just told the truth.  Those who lied got themselves (and innocent others) put behind bars.



You have no evidence of that, you are only speculating. Do you know Mickey John?


I do and I know when he is lying..he was telling the truth on tv
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« Reply #236 on: June 24, 2005, 11:22:25 PM »

Question--If
1.she had an asthma attack ( I don't know that this was a medical condition she had or not, just thinking )
2. alcohol poisoning
3.drowned
4.fell and hit her head because she was drinking

all innocent causes of death, perhaps dad and joran were to afraid to call the medical personnel or LE, because they wanted to avoid gossip or investigation, what with joran's and dad's future so "bright"

Possibility yes, excusable NO!   But I could see it happening. Joran and dad need a cover story and involve the bros kalpoe, then get rid of the evidence. ( they think )

If what happened to Natalee was innocent and an accident, it could be proven and there would have been no need for lies.

it's not the event but the cover-up of the event.
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« Reply #237 on: June 24, 2005, 11:22:42 PM »

ok..once and for all..is it pronounced "SLOTE" or "sloot'?
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« Reply #238 on: June 24, 2005, 11:23:24 PM »

SOT
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« Reply #239 on: June 24, 2005, 11:23:37 PM »

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ok..once and for all..is it pronounced "SLOTE" or "sloot'?


I thought they were saying tonight that it was pronounced Slunk
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