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« Reply #240 on: June 24, 2005, 11:23:40 PM »

...been surfing here for many days....need to work early tomorrow A.M so I won't be online much longer....just wanted to comment:

I am a parent of teenage girls.  I can easily sympathize with all parents involved in this tragedy.  So many of you speculate and theorize and I do as well.  Everything is not always as it appears.  I have learned this through the years from my own experience, with having teenage girls AND with being friends with parents of teenage boys.  I want to believe Natalee is alive and with all that I've been able to wade through on this website, I still want to believe that.  Of course, I have my doubts, but I really believe that by now, a body would have been found.  Yes, I know, she may have been dumped in the ocean, but does anyone know of the case of AnnMarie Fahey?  No body, but plenty of evidence....Anyway, I've been wanting to comment for sometime and now I guess I'm hooked.  

About Joran, I've looked at his websites and photos and some look incriminating, but as a parent of teens, I KNOW how these websites look and how these kids act.  As I said before, everything is not always as it appears.  Believe me, I have first-hand experience with mis-understanding situations with which my girls have been involved!  And I am the first to jump to conclusions!  Let's save our judgements until we have hard evidence and answers.  Just something to ponder....................
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« Reply #241 on: June 24, 2005, 11:23:46 PM »

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I've rediscovered gin and tonics this summer - 90 degrees plus in New England - so that's my new drug of choice - but only one or I fall asleep and can't read here.

btw - I don't think WW is defending "them" - I think she's defending truth, justice and the american way - otherwise known as innocent until proven guilty. And I think we should all remember that and how much we do not know as real fact.


You're forgetting the rest of the saying, innocent until proven guilty under the law.  

Public opinion is different than the law.  

You are either guilty or innocent, that doesn't change after a verdict, what does change is your legal status.
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« Reply #242 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:09 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


You are always defending them ...why?


Because, WW is keeping an open mind...because, whether we like it or not, we don't have the evidence to string them from the nearest tree yet. just my opinion now folks. I'm not about to be a bodyguard for wonder woman. They'd call me the fat friend with the good personality.  Laughing


My heart tells me that Nat's mother's instincts are right on, especially since my gut tells me these guys are hiding something (first hint...liars...everyone of them).  But I definately ate crow when Elizabeth Smart was found.  The case was NOTHING like anyone thought.  The possibility that she was kidnapped by some religious fanatic and was wandering around in her own town never entered anyone's mind, did it?  I think they did "something bad" to NH but until we know...we don't know.


And not to get off on a tangent cause I won't respond...I've never been quite satisfed that we know the whole story on that.
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« Reply #243 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:20 PM »

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I`ll bet far far away right now~!!


I thought he was in the slammer.
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« Reply #244 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:30 PM »

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Ting or anyone - on the Aunt point

The aunt who was just on with Greta kept saying something about her brother - is that Jug or father or someone else? anyone know?

I think her brother is Nat's father but hey, they all look alike and have funny names.


Linda Allison is Dave Holloway's sister.
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« Reply #245 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:30 PM »

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I haven't been able to get that song out of my head all week.  Most inappropriate, but stuck in there nonetheless.


So have I been singing this in my head, but didn't remember all the words.  So thanks for the link to the lyrics.
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« Reply #246 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:49 PM »

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...been surfing here for many days....need to work early tomorrow A.M so I won't be online much longer....just wanted to comment:

I am a parent of teenage girls.  I can easily sympathize with all parents involved in this tragedy.  So many of you speculate and theorize and I do as well.  Everything is not always as it appears.  I have learned this through the years from my own experience, with having teenage girls AND with being friends with parents of teenage boys.  I want to believe Natalee is alive and with all that I've been able to wade through on this website, I still want to believe that.  Of course, I have my doubts, but I really believe that by now, a body would have been found.  Yes, I know, she may have been dumped in the ocean, but does anyone know of the case of AnnMarie Fahey?  No body, but plenty of evidence....Anyway, I've been wanting to comment for sometime and now I guess I'm hooked.  

About Joran, I've looked at his websites and photos and some look incriminating, but as a parent of teens, I KNOW how these websites look and how these kids act.  As I said before, everything is not always as it appears.  Believe me, I have first-hand experience with mis-understanding situations with which my girls have been involved!  And I am the first to jump to conclusions!  Let's save our judgements until we have hard evidence and answers.  Just something to ponder....................



TV MOM..welcome!
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« Reply #247 on: June 24, 2005, 11:24:53 PM »

It's pronounced 'Sloat'.
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« Reply #248 on: June 24, 2005, 11:25:02 PM »

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Question--If
1.she had an asthma attack ( I don't know that this was a medical condition she had or not, just thinking )
2. alcohol poisoning
3.drowned
4.fell and hit her head because she was drinking

all innocent causes of death, perhaps dad and joran were to afraid to call the medical personnel or LE, because they wanted to avoid gossip or investigation, what with joran's and dad's future so "bright"

Possibility yes, excusable NO!   But I could see it happening. Joran and dad need a cover story and involve the bros kalpoe, then get rid of the evidence. ( they think )

If what happened to Natalee was innocent and an accident, it could be proven and there would have been no need for lies.

it's not the event but the cover-up of the event.


I have maintained from the first greta interview with beth as my source. That "her medication" was found in her bag.
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« Reply #249 on: June 24, 2005, 11:25:14 PM »

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You cannot go potty while you are here..But, because yall are my friends, I am willing to travel to you and place a few catheters..WITH drain bags at no extra charge....LOLOL

Nikki!!! Go get the family in bed and get back here!!


Uhhhh Nikki.. Pass me a depend instead of a cath Please...lol
I went to potty.. took a minute.. came back and was 3 pages behind already.. ughhhh..lol


Angie hun, have you had an eye exam lately?  Shocked


LOL  No actually I havnt had an eye exam lately..LOL   I dont want run away bride eyes.. ugh!
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« Reply #250 on: June 24, 2005, 11:26:16 PM »

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oh damn..here we go...


WW, Vincent Brothers could use some of your cheerleading.  He was the VP of my kids' grade school.  We LOVED him!  He was tough, but fair and most of the kids liked him (if you can believe that of a grade school VP).  I would like to be fair, but I can't help but feel like he committed the horrific crime he has been accused of.
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« Reply #251 on: June 24, 2005, 11:26:18 PM »

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Lausa, alot of the posters here can help you when you are trying to serach for info. like that[/quote]

Me too . I pulled up VGB Security site. I think it's in Dutch and translation made absolutely no sense. DOn't know what I thought I would find anyway. The only thing I could find is there is a rene van heijerwhatever that plays in tennis tournaments. The rest of them just google to blogs.... could find nothing on lorenzo except somebody from Aruba on Riehlworl connecting him with a guy from WIS or MI ( I can't remember) that lives in Aruba who has a naughty site advertising prostitution svc (I guess I meant escort) in Aruba. THey were tying that to the porn tapes that Geraldo brought up. max arends site has photo pictures of friends and one of those is connected to a weird, slightly sleazy looking dirty old man named Marten who has about 1700 pictures of young girls on his site. I just couldn't quite bring myself to open a tickle account so I could drill down on the pictures and comments.  Never could find reference to the almost decapitation except on blogs.
And they call this the world wide web?? I want real links not blogs, darn it. I'm in the cyber sleuth mode and I'm reduced to reading Bryan's predictions. I guess I need a life.... Wink   Smile  Smile[/quote]

Truly ROLF!!!  We've apparently made quite a few of the same "hits" although I'd say you're just a little ahead of me.  I've even thought about opening a tickle.com account to do more investigation of Marten, but I think you have to get "invited" to become a tickle member.  I'm out of the age range to know many people who might "invite" me (but I'm a LOT younger than Marten).  Of course, I would have to use a fictious name and no pic.  How embarrasing would it be if a student found me on tickle.com?  Rumors, rumors, rumors.
What was that great John Lennon quote that someone puts under their posts?  Something about reality.
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« Reply #252 on: June 24, 2005, 11:26:28 PM »

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I've rediscovered gin and tonics this summer - 90 degrees plus in New England - so that's my new drug of choice - but only one or I fall asleep and can't read here.

btw - I don't think WW is defending "them" - I think she's defending truth, justice and the american way - otherwise known as innocent until proven guilty. And I think we should all remember that and how much we do not know as real fact.


You're forgetting the rest of the saying, innocent until proven guilty under the law.  

Public opinion is different than the law.  

You are either guilty or innocent, that doesn't change after a verdict, what does change is your legal status.


The problem lies in the fact that you're legal status could be guilty when you are in fact innocent because of public opinion.  It happens.
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« Reply #253 on: June 24, 2005, 11:26:30 PM »

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You cannot go potty while you are here..But, because yall are my friends, I am willing to travel to you and place a few catheters..WITH drain bags at no extra charge....LOLOL

Nikki!!! Go get the family in bed and get back here!!


Uhhhh Nikki.. Pass me a depend instead of a cath Please...lol
I went to potty.. took a minute.. came back and was 3 pages behind already.. ughhhh..lol


Angie hun, have you had an eye exam lately?  Shocked


LOL  No actually I havnt had an eye exam lately..LOL   I dont want run away bride eyes.. ugh!



I think that woman needs her throid checked...lol..speaking of exams...
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« Reply #254 on: June 24, 2005, 11:27:32 PM »

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Lausa, alot of the posters here can help you when you are trying to serach for info. like that


Me too . I pulled up VGB Security site. I think it's in Dutch and translation made absolutely no sense. DOn't know what I thought I would find anyway. The only thing I could find is there is a rene van heijerwhatever that plays in tennis tournaments. The rest of them just google to blogs.... could find nothing on lorenzo except somebody from Aruba on Riehlworl connecting him with a guy from WIS or MI ( I can't remember) that lives in Aruba who has a naughty site advertising prostitution svc (I guess I meant escort) in Aruba. THey were tying that to the porn tapes that Geraldo brought up. max arends site has photo pictures of friends and one of those is connected to a weird, slightly sleazy looking dirty old man named Marten who has about 1700 pictures of young girls on his site. I just couldn't quite bring myself to open a tickle account so I could drill down on the pictures and comments.  Never could find reference to the almost decapitation except on blogs.
And they call this the world wide web?? I want real links not blogs, darn it. I'm in the cyber sleuth mode and I'm reduced to reading Bryan's predictions. I guess I need a life.... Wink   Smile  Smile[/quote]

Truly ROLF!!!  We've apparently made quite a few of the same "hits" although I'd say you're just a little ahead of me.  I've even thought about opening a tickle.com account to do more investigation of Marten, but I think you have to get "invited" to become a tickle member.  I'm out of the age range to know many people who might "invite" me (but I'm a LOT younger than Marten).  Of course, I would have to use a fictious name and no pic.  How embarrasing would it be if a student found me on tickle.com?  Rumors, rumors, rumors.
What was that great John Lennon quote that someone puts under their posts?  Something about reality.[/quote]

reality sucks???
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« Reply #255 on: June 24, 2005, 11:28:22 PM »

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You cannot go potty while you are here..But, because yall are my friends, I am willing to travel to you and place a few catheters..WITH drain bags at no extra charge....LOLOL

Nikki!!! Go get the family in bed and get back here!!


Uhhhh Nikki.. Pass me a depend instead of a cath Please...lol
I went to potty.. took a minute.. came back and was 3 pages behind already.. ughhhh..lol


Angie hun, have you had an eye exam lately?  Shocked


LOL  No actually I havnt had an eye exam lately..LOL   I dont want run away bride eyes.. ugh!



I think that woman needs her throid checked...lol..speaking of exams...


I said last night I thought she had Graves.
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« Reply #256 on: June 24, 2005, 11:28:34 PM »

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yes why do you need a 'cover story' for leaving someone on the beach???
since when is that a crime?



Because they were afraid that what IS happening WOULD happen!!

get it or no....


innoceny until proven guilty


You are always defending them ...why?


Because nobody else does....


not true, ww  Confused
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« Reply #257 on: June 24, 2005, 11:28:38 PM »

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You cannot go potty while you are here..But, because yall are my friends, I am willing to travel to you and place a few catheters..WITH drain bags at no extra charge....LOLOL

Nikki!!! Go get the family in bed and get back here!!


Go Nikki!!!!  Give them some night time cold medicine or something Nikki and get back here on the computer.


Dimetapp for the kids, quickie for da hubby...back to da monkeys for nikki.



ok..2 year old is asllep..to hell with late afternoon naps..hubby in shower ready fr bed..12 year old going to bed..I"M ALMOST THERE!!! I just took something for heartburn..should be good to go soon!!!! LOL


if I can't wear my monkey hat according to Ting's rules, then no one can go potty---------drugs fine, but no potty!  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #258 on: June 24, 2005, 11:29:06 PM »

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...been surfing here for many days....need to work early tomorrow A.M so I won't be online much longer....just wanted to comment:

I am a parent of teenage girls.  I can easily sympathize with all parents involved in this tragedy.  So many of you speculate and theorize and I do as well.  Everything is not always as it appears.  I have learned this through the years from my own experience, with having teenage girls AND with being friends with parents of teenage boys.  I want to believe Natalee is alive and with all that I've been able to wade through on this website, I still want to believe that.  Of course, I have my doubts, but I really believe that by now, a body would have been found.  Yes, I know, she may have been dumped in the ocean, but does anyone know of the case of AnnMarie Fahey?  No body, but plenty of evidence....Anyway, I've been wanting to comment for sometime and now I guess I'm hooked.  

About Joran, I've looked at his websites and photos and some look incriminating, but as a parent of teens, I KNOW how these websites look and how these kids act.  As I said before, everything is not always as it appears.  Believe me, I have first-hand experience with mis-understanding situations with which my girls have been involved!  And I am the first to jump to conclusions!  Let's save our judgements until we have hard evidence and answers.  Just something to ponder....................


Welcome, TVMom...

Thanks for you insights...come back soon.
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« Reply #259 on: June 24, 2005, 11:29:44 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?


Not defensive, defending, because it's wrong

It's NOT against the law, that is my point! Nor does it make for a murderer or rapist!


But it IS against the law for Joran, since he's underage.  Natalee is 18 - so if she was drinking and gambling it was legal!  

While watching Greta tonight she confirmed that Joran was gambling all day with his dad at the Holiday Inn, until his dad got tired and went home.  I know that we knew that Joran was at the hotel casino (and met Natalee in the casino), but did we know that his dad was there with him all day?  Did dad meet Natalee and have a conversation with her by any chance?  

Also, I thought that was the day that Paul VDS game back from his trip - did he actually come back the day before?  Sorry - so many facts / rumors / speculations that I'm getting confused!



I was waiting for that fact. Yes, he shouldn't be there at 17. But, his father probably does have pull. Like any other town in the good ole USA.

Point, neither Natalee or Joran should be picked apart for doing the things we've all done in our lives!! or similar activity.
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