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« Reply #360 on: June 25, 2005, 12:08:22 AM »

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Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?


Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.
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« Reply #361 on: June 25, 2005, 12:08:35 AM »

NH doesn't even look close to being anorexic... and so what if she was. What if she was a voluntary anorexic, who lovedx and loved to drink and loved to have sex with strange boys. What sayeth you now?
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« Reply #362 on: June 25, 2005, 12:09:01 AM »

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In Dutch law, is there the responsibility to help someone in distress or danger (which we don't have here)?

Yes. To abandon someone who is in danger (while you were able to help) is a criminal offence and if the person dies, may lead to up to 10 years in jail if I recall correctly.
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« Reply #363 on: June 25, 2005, 12:09:03 AM »

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Why would an 18 year old girl who doesn't date much be taking b.c. pills. . .and, really, do you think if that is what her meds were, her mother would allude to them to the press.  Duh.


cramps, acne. I did, and I was a virgin. It happens, but does not excuse  foul play
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« Reply #364 on: June 25, 2005, 12:10:02 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....
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« Reply #365 on: June 25, 2005, 12:10:25 AM »

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In Dutch law, is there the responsibility to help someone in distress or danger (which we don't have here)?

Yes. To abandon someone who is in danger (while you were able to help) is a criminal offence and if the person dies, may lead to up to 10 years in jail if I recall correctly.


God, I would hope so, to do that is almost as bad as killing them ones self. Remember the woman who left the man she hit in her windshield?
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« Reply #366 on: June 25, 2005, 12:10:26 AM »

I know we discuss this every night but I know that I've told my kids that if questioned by the cops, they are to say yes sir and no sir and that's about it. Offer no info, etc .... that's because I took legal courses and it was drummed into us - you can say the most innocent thing, the most true thing and yet find yourself in very bad situations.

And I think the VDSs may have thought Natalee was just another american teen who got too drunk or something at the time the family arrived (suggested by the kick her butt statement as well) then they would not react in 'gee, this is an emergency - tell everything you know" mode.
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« Reply #367 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:03 AM »

Am I the only one who thinks that all these officials are looking for someone to pin this murder on?  Seems to me that it would be real easy if they could find a suspect who was "not all there"?

However, I will never believe that Natalee would run away, especially being that she could leave on her own free will at 18.  I no longer think that she is alive.  As for PVDS, it seems he did contribute to covering up whatever did happen that night.  And in my own opinion, this was no accident.  What worries me is:  Is Natalee the only one?    

As a daughter, I can say that I would be very grateful that I had parents who were as persistent in their search for me.  Especially, parents who would not go home without me.  The search without surrender is an action that could never be measured in words.  God Bless
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« Reply #368 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:18 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

Huh?  How is that indicative of someone running away?
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« Reply #369 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:47 AM »

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Red - I think it's completely possible that Joran really does not know what happened to Natalee and that that is why he is "not cracking" under interrogation. I wouldn't swear to it but I think it's definitely possible - and in fact hangs together better than most theories in terms of the timeline, etc. just mho


Exactly how does it hang together with a time line? Father picks him up at 11pm only for son to leave and go to C&C's w/o dad's knowledge. Papa VDS can not provide alibi for son. Son has lied more than once that we know of with what happened that night. Son admits he was last one alone with her and miraculously just left her on the beach by herself.

Mother claims her son is a choir boy yet according to Greta tonight, dad & son were in casino gambling. ??? Father knowingly brings son into the casino's at 17? Just do not buy it that he does not know.

Why would dad tell him to be quiet?
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« Reply #370 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:54 AM »

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not again...freebird thread please????


NOOOOOO!!!!!! Wink

On topic: Going through those tickle sites again tonight I noticed two things commonly mentioned. One, easy enough: the Marriott parties.  The other, maybe a cultural slang thing that differs from area to area -- trippin.  Is LSD as popular a recreational drug in Aruba as it is in the US, and might that not be an obvious source for "something bad" happening?
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« Reply #371 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:54 AM »

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Anyone else just think birth control pills when medication was mentioned?   Shocked


No, did not think if that...actually what are the chances both are virgins?  We know both sides claim these are good son/daughter.  You know saving it for marriage etc?  I digress...The only thing that worries me is the fact that Joran walks back home that is amazing.  In Aruba, no one want to walk too far.  

My speculation:

1. if Joran did find himself in a murder and accidental death, and called his father, we would have to check PVDS statement against the cell phone statement. (Time line is the mantra here.).
2. Don;t know how far that beach was from his Montana house...12 min driving, that that would be what 30-45 walk, in a pitch dark aruba road...not sure how dark tho...Don;t live there..
3. Verify if the next morning he went to school, verify verify, bring in eyewitness, school teachers, school schedule, that would put a time line where if Joran killed Nat, a logical time end for that day.
4. Verify what PVDS did during that 2-6am Monday 31 time frame...this is to see if he was sleeping or made a few calls to cover up Jorans dilemma. Also verify if he went to work that day.  I wonder who brings Joran to school...Oh they did have exams that week no? Maybe the father drove him...especially exams would set a time benchmark.
5. Find whereabouts of Steve Croes, since he was access to boats, a like way to dump a body..then they need to find alibi s of SGC.  
6. Question also any other brother or sister of all the suspect to see how it differ from the time line chart.
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« Reply #372 on: June 25, 2005, 12:11:57 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.
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« Reply #373 on: June 25, 2005, 12:12:01 AM »

Oh I see DT... 17 yr old boy meets strange girl, who loves x, booze and sex and dies during a romp on the sand... he immediately calls 911  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #374 on: June 25, 2005, 12:12:07 AM »

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I doubt that her mother is going to refer to birth control pills as "her medication."  It could be any number of things realistically from allergies to who knows what.


my mom would and i'm 34.
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« Reply #375 on: June 25, 2005, 12:12:37 AM »

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Why is her medication so damned important? What if she was on Prozac... and I highly doubt the girl was on BC and if she was that  her mother knew . And if she was on BC, this means what?


The only reasons I can think of why people are interested in her medication:

- medication's reaction to alcohol and/or date rape drugs
- if she is alive, will not having her medicine be a big problem for her?
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« Reply #376 on: June 25, 2005, 12:13:08 AM »

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Why would an 18 year old girl who doesn't date much be taking b.c. pills. . .and, really, do you think if that is what her meds were, her mother would allude to them to the press.  Duh.



Sometimes young women or girls go on bc pills to regulate their periods
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« Reply #377 on: June 25, 2005, 12:13:19 AM »

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-melrose- Most if not ALL Medications react very differently with Alchohol, and everyone I have ever taken has advised to NOT drink Alchohol while taking ANY Meds. IMHO I am leaning towards an accidental death in which she told Jorn she was going back to her room and maybe somehow wandered off adock or somthing. Either that or she is hiding from what she thinks is being embarassed...HOPEFULLY this is the case that she is a run-a-way. I pray for this to be true...In my other thread I said there is way too much death talk on the board.....it seems to me to be a death watch, and then a lynching...

guyWdog


I too temd to think her death may have been accidental.  I know from my experience when I am taking medication and I have  a drink and i'm fine then I will do both at the same time.  Maybe that is why Nat continued to drink without worrying, but on the last night something else was added to the mix that became fatal.
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« Reply #378 on: June 25, 2005, 12:13:19 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.
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« Reply #379 on: June 25, 2005, 12:13:28 AM »

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Why is her medication so damned important? What if she was on Prozac... and I highly doubt the girl was on BC and if she was that  her mother knew . And if she was on BC, this means what?


The reason I brought up asthma medication:  It seems that if you use asthma medication,,,ruffies can depress breathing..and of course the night air can effect asthma as well..Just a thought,, as Beth mentioned it "All her luggage, passport, money and her medication was in her room"
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