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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2005, 10:17:40 PM »

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Hey guys..Earlier I heard that Papa VDS was NOT cooperating with LE while being detained..Does anyone know where that came from and what is being said about it?


ask an aruban??? is there a hot-line for that???
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2005, 10:17:56 PM »

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Cali - glad you made it home!

I think you are so right about the language issue. The Arubans are being asked to answer often loaded questions in a language which is not their first - and then we parse and critique each comma. Add in the difficulty of dealing with the difference in legal systems and it's frightening what can get misunderstood.


Don't get me wrong I love Greta but sometimes I just have this urge to slap her and tell her to drop her lawyer routinue.

It's like, okay they speak some english, not US english..ask some short simple questions for pete's sake and stop putting words into their mouths and confusing the crap out of them and the viewers. It's like she tells a whole hearsay conversation repeats it and then asks "is this your knowledge"? Grrr How about.. cut to the chase and more on.. go follow Equusearch or something. They keep going over and over the same old thing..


I agree, cali! She's got this poor guy stammering all around..But, I still love ya, Greta!
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2005, 10:18:20 PM »

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Carlos and Charlies is great for about 5 minutes. It's sleazy and I agree with the person who said it belongs in Tijuana. Aruba needs a club for the late 20's / thirties crowd. Plus - get rid of the drug dealers in front of Carlos & Charlies.


It is going to be fairly time consuming to copy that other forum here 1 post at time.

I also worry people with attribute the comments to you and possible expect you to defend them.


Point taken... it is aruba's own tourism site.

http://www.arubatourism.com/
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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2005, 10:18:36 PM »

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Hey guys..Earlier I heard that Papa VDS was NOT cooperating with LE while being detained..Does anyone know where that came from and what is being said about it?


 Havnt heard that..  listening to Deepaks attorney on FOX.. Greta asked him IF one of the kids tells their parent ANYTHING if the parent would have to tell what was heard.. he said NO.. WTF???   These attorneys seem wierd to me.. IMO only.. they damn near all know each other...and if they work there like they do here in PA. they are in cahoots..(however the heck you spell it) with each other.. AGAIN  IMO only.. grrr!
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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2005, 10:19:41 PM »

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((((HUGS)))

Man, what a day! Could NOT get home from work..grrrr first a firetruck got hit, then the roads closed due to an officer being shot and killed  Crying or Very sad

Anyhow, is it just me, or does anyone else feel frustrated due to the "english" language understanding barrier, that when these Aruba people are interviewed they get lead into this rabbit hole...almost like they are on the stand as a trial witness... I feel more confused everytime they do an interview. Everything they say is so misconstrued...

Maybe it's just me...


{{{{CALI}}}} No it's not just you. Laguage barriers are very much a part of this case!!


IS 'NO SHIT'  still international????
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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2005, 10:19:58 PM »

I think you are so right about the language issue. The Arubans are being asked to answer often loaded questions in a language which is not their first - and then we parse and critique each comma. Add in the difficulty of dealing with the difference in legal systems and it's frightening what can get misunderstood.[/quote]

Thank you,,my thoughts exactly.
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« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2005, 10:20:14 PM »

>>>I don't understand the "premeditated" murder charge.

The charges of premeditated and kidnaping sound like perhaps Natalee did not OD on the beach but became "hesterical" after or during the attack and was taken from the scene and killed.  

I think the rumor that Natalee was "hysterical" has been made here, along with a rumor of a girl being forcably being removed from the beach.

Also, perhaps drugging someone whos ends up OD'ing constitutes premeditation. But if that was the case, where does the kidnaping charge come from?

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« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2005, 10:21:09 PM »

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Hey guys..Earlier I heard that Papa VDS was NOT cooperating with LE while being detained..Does anyone know where that came from and what is being said about it?


You probably read what I read.  Carl Penhall of CNN cited "inside source", whoever that is supposed to be.
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« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2005, 10:22:11 PM »

Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...
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« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2005, 10:22:32 PM »

I cannot concentrate on the interview with Nat's aunt while that music is blasting in the background.  Laughing  Shocked
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« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2005, 10:22:58 PM »

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Cali - glad you made it home!

I think you are so right about the language issue. The Arubans are being asked to answer often loaded questions in a language which is not their first - and then we parse and critique each comma. Add in the difficulty of dealing with the difference in legal systems and it's frightening what can get misunderstood.


Don't get me wrong I love Greta but sometimes I just have this urge to slap her and tell her to drop her lawyer routinue.

It's like, okay they speak some english, not US english..ask some short simple questions for pete's sake and stop putting words into their mouths and confusing the crap out of them and the viewers. It's like she tells a whole hearsay conversation repeats it and then asks "is this your knowledge"? Grrr How about.. cut to the chase and more on.. go follow Equusearch or something. They keep going over and over the same old thing..


...sigh...ah, yes.  Maybe that explains the "exhaustion" I'm feeling with the litany of patter with the presentation of this case.  FOX does it wall-to-wall and the others contribute their almost obligatory cut to their one correspondent who tells us what the AP just reported
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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2005, 10:23:15 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....
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« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2005, 10:23:37 PM »

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((hi all)) ...

some 'dutch junkie monkey'is back again...tried to sleep and then thunder stroke in the neighbourhood by the way just as Larry King started...I thought ok let`s put my computer on again..... Embarassed


Hey Hannie..!!  Question for you if you can answer it.. !! Do you know if Aruba has a 911 system?? AND if so .. is it channeled through the LE???
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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2005, 10:24:30 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...


Was wondering If i was the only one laughing at that..LOL..dang...
did anyone else hear Shepard smith say, "THAT is WACK" the other night after an interview?? LOLOL
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« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2005, 10:24:46 PM »

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((((HUGS)))

Anyhow, is it just me, or does anyone else feel frustrated due to the "english" language understanding barrier, that when these Aruba people are interviewed they get lead into this rabbit hole...almost like they are on the stand as a trial witness... I feel more confused everytime they do an interview. Everything they say is so misconstrued...

Maybe it's just me...
Put feet up and de-stress, in whichever manner you prefer.  At least you aren't in St. Louis where they have smoke all in the air and exploding oxygen tanks.

I can dig it.  The language thing evokes feelings ranging from hilariious to riduculous to maddening.  Simple phrases get all bent out of shape, engendering all manner of linguistic misinterpretations.  This is my favorite from today:  "the 17 whose birth day it is..." (meaning "the 17-year-old") and so on for everyone whose age was mentioned in the article.  

Some of the English-Papiamento tranlation sources are so clueless that I begin to think I might consider a career change and learn Papiamento.  It's easier to read Papiamento itself than an bad translation.  One of the few positive things to come out of this saddness, speaking for myself alone, is the awareness of the Arubian culture and a desire to know more.  I believe it was Iquitos who explained that their particular language was an offshoot of the Jewish exodus from Andalusia, sometime in the 15's (I hope I remembered that correctly).  What a beautiful people.

The misunderstandings  because of the language barrier take place on both sides of it, as we can tell from reading some of the Aruba posts.  

Oh, another crazy-maker:  trying to do any sort of search on people from Aruba.  I'm not doing very well with descriptors, thinking maybe if I could use the word in Papiamento my results would be better (but then, I wouldn't be able to read them).  I have tried every permutation I could imagine to find info on Lorenzo van Rijg, or van Gijn, whichever spelling you choose.  


I ramble.  To sum it up:  YES, I share your frustration, at the same time feeling like we've come out of the rabbit hole and are already at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

Please excuse me for going on so long~but it's a subject I'd bend pondering.[/i]
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« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2005, 10:25:10 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.
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« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2005, 10:26:28 PM »

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Hey guys..Earlier I heard that Papa VDS was NOT cooperating with LE while being detained..Does anyone know where that came from and what is being said about it?


You probably read what I read.  Carl Penhall of CNN cited "inside source", whoever that is supposed to be.


If I had a quarter for every inside source story, I could afford to go to Aruba, darn it.  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2005, 10:26:38 PM »

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Also, perhaps drugging someone whos ends up OD'ing constitutes premeditation. But if that was the case, where does the kidnaping charge come from?

Possibly from drugging her at C&C's, then driving off with her while she was somewhat incapacitated?

Meanwhile, what's this story about a CourtTV report about someone else from the Alabama flights and staying at the HI being missing? That could shed an entirely new light on the whole affair. Apparently Greta would address this, but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
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« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2005, 10:26:44 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...


 I heard that! Love the song, of course that was another time in my life. I guess it is Paaaaaaaarrrrtttttttyyyyyyy Time......... it is friday!

But odd for this story.
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« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2005, 10:27:01 PM »

NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..
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