RBN # 23 - Evening 6/24/05- Early Morning 6/25/05

[coco]

LilOrphan - teens here (New England) say "trippin'" to mean flipping out as in "she was really trippin' coz he went out with so-and-so"

Red - I don't see enough time that night for Joran and Dad to pull together a murder and dispose of body ... it just seems off (how's that for serious reasoning! I think I'm getting tired - sorry. I think I need to go back to something I posted earlier where I had this all figured out coz my brain will not recreate it now)

[Red]

Good night all - Pray for Natalee and her family. They are supposed to be a fund raiser tomorrow for her in MB.

See you all tomorrow ...

[Compananzi]

Oh my - anorexia, drug problems, condoms, Jug bashing, key man insurance?  I'm sure there are more, I've just forgotten them after reading the last 20 pages.

I hate to say this, but I recommended this site to a friend of mine who Natalee babysits for.  What in the world is she going to think about this place?

Thanks to those of you staying realistic and positive, or at least supportive of this situation.

You definately don't want to go to Yahoo message boards..it goes nowhere fast.

[WonderWoman]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.

hmmmm

[kuaitzu]

WHAT IF...the LE put PVDS in jail to smoke out someone else?? Like they did by letting the trio go in th beginning..to follow. bug..etc.??. Maybe someone else involved will be bragging that they got away with something>>??

[friend of monkeys]

Anyone else just think birth control pills when medication was mentioned?  

No, did not think if that...actually what are the chances both are virgins?  We know both sides claim these are good son/daughter.  You know saving it for marriage etc?  I digress...The only thing that worries me is the fact that Joran walks back home that is amazing.  In Aruba, no one want to walk too far.  

My speculation:

1. if Joran did find himself in a murder and accidental death, and called his father, we would have to check PVDS statement against the cell phone statement. (Time line is the mantra here.).
2. Don;t know how far that beach was from his Montana house...12 min driving, that that would be what 30-45 walk, in a pitch dark aruba road...not sure how dark tho...Don;t live there..
3. Verify if the next morning he went to school, verify verify, bring in eyewitness, school teachers, school schedule, that would put a time line where if Joran killed Nat, a logical time end for that day.
4. Verify what PVDS did during that 2-6am Monday 31 time frame...this is to see if he was sleeping or made a few calls to cover up Jorans dilemma. Also verify if he went to work that day.  I wonder who brings Joran to school...Oh they did have exams that week no? Maybe the father drove him...especially exams would set a time benchmark.
5. Find whereabouts of Steve Croes, since he was access to boats, a like way to dump a body..then they need to find alibi s of SGC.  
6. Question also any other brother or sister of all the suspect to see how it differ from the time line chart.

good point about questioning siblings....
and yes roads are very dark leaving hotel area/anywhere not main road is scary..in a car alone nevermind on foot.

[klaasend]

I don't remember anything about Greta's reporting that another student did not return???????????

I don't think it was another student.  It was just someone else on that same flight.

[LilOrphan]

I think the comments you've made are way off base.  Natalee doesn't look anorexic at all.  She's a fit, young woman IMO.  Have you seen an anorexic?  Not even close.  So now we're questioning a mothers quick trip to help find her missing daughter? So she should have waited a day, had a manicure and haircut?  Yikes.  I hope this case is solved soon...first for the family, and second, so some of these wild comments will cease.

Tonight someone sent me a link to a site where it appears members of Scared Monkeys must be posing as one person to pitch theories from this forum to psychics!!!  The person posting says they live in Aruba...but, it's really doubtful that's true.  Sorta shocking the lengths some people will go to further their theories....

Sheesh....

Totally agree. Don't see anorexia by a long shot. Maybe she was deliberately trying to lose a bit of weight for a trip to Aruba that meant bathing suits and skimpy clothes?

About that psychic thing, would you be willing to share link via PM or here? That's nuts.

[Kipster]

>>Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

I read/saw she had her ID on her, passport in the room. BTW, one can fly into & out of Aruba (US) w/ a US driver's license & a birth certificate. A notarized copy worked for me with some persuassion at the ATL airport leaving, then upon leaving Aruba airport, they didn't look twice. Pre 9/11...

[chelsblu]

I doubt that her mother is going to refer to birth control pills as "her medication."  It could be any number of things realistically from allergies to who knows what.

my mom would and i'm 34.

I was thinking the same thing

[arrabba]

I don't remember anything about Greta's reporting that another student did not return???????????

Not a student, another tourist,  He was on ths plane with MB students and stayed at the Holiday Inn, just like Natalee.

I wonder if he witnessed treachery...

[nancy_drew]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.

hmmmm

When kids go to a bar, they take money and an ID...
Nothing odd about that...it's routine.

[WonderWoman]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

Huh?  How is that indicative of someone running away?

What would be her motive for running away anyway?  She just graduated, was apparently having the time of her life, well right up until she hooked up with Joran, and was set to go off to college and really begin her life.

yes apparently, the time of her life.....you don't know how she felt inside...maybe she wanted to travel afar after high school not attend UofA

[Whitney]

Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?

Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.

I'm so confused.  I think it was accidental but I cannot understand why he wouldn't confess...unless his father was able to convinced him the body will never be found.

He plays cards, and so far, my "impression" is he does it well.

[KackyLacky]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

Huh?  How is that indicative of someone running away?

If I took my $$, passport and ID, they might think I did.

Except there is absolutely nothing in Natalee's past behavior that indicates she would contimplate running away....nothing.

her passport was in her room at the HI
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

Holloway vanished during a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook, Ala., High School, near Birmingham. Police found her U.S. passport and packed bags in her hotel room after she failed to show up for her return flight that day.

so the point is moot and another rumor disspelled about the passport--she probably had her ID with her to go to the bars, I would.

[DT]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.

as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.

So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.

[BlueBob]

Actually, I post here because this board stays really clean.  Just bcuz something doesn't fit in with your opinion, doesn't mean it isn't right.  I never said anorexia.  But I do know that 110 pounds on a 5' 4" frame is rather thin.  10 years ago when I was 110 on a 5'2" frame, people kept telling me to put bricks in my pockets in case a strong wind came.  And a smaller body has a difficult time handling the alcohol and the medication.  If drugs were added too, it could be lethal.  I guess I would like to believe that this wasn't a cold-blooded murder from lack of anger management.  And I do believe that Natalee wasn't used to partying like this.

[monkey c]

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

Please go see the recent pictures of Joran on this site.

[HannieC]

G`nite all, getting a headache again.....

Later all

[WonderWoman]

Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?

That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....

Huh?  How is that indicative of someone running away?

If I took my $$, passport and ID, they might think I did.

Except there is absolutely nothing in Natalee's past behavior that indicates she would contimplate running away....nothing.

You know her well, can you help me gather some insight?