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« Reply #420 on: June 25, 2005, 12:27:30 AM »

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Interviews with the law community in Aruba tonight all say the are in shock over his arrest.  They all say he was a quiet, bright man who was
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Ted Bundy was a bright man too.
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« Reply #421 on: June 25, 2005, 12:27:38 AM »

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And I think that a lot of people are too eager to put the blame on someone....!!

It feels so wrong ,but hey I have my own opinion just as you all do Wink

I don`t believe in people tried with sensational mediahypes and judge and sentence out of courts..... by public opinions!

So I sure as ....  hope that the LE ìn aruba do there jobs as the DUTCH law requires without the pressure from the US or anybody


HannieC...I hope so, also.  For the USA, The Netherlands and for the nation of Aruba.
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« Reply #422 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:01 AM »

The nipple pulling is something to be desired and then he's passed out-------
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« Reply #423 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:16 AM »

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I doubt that her mother is going to refer to birth control pills as "her medication."  It could be any number of things realistically from allergies to who knows what.


my mom would and i'm 34.


I was thinking the same thing Very Happy


thanx..maybe i'm not nuts...just banannas!!  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #424 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:51 AM »

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/

Some looks at Joran
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« Reply #425 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:58 AM »

Actually, when you travel in some countries, you don't have to carry your actual passport at all times.  Because they are often stolen and have a very quick street value, you are advised to carry multiple copies of your passport with you, but to keep your real passport locked in your room.  This is probably the case in Aruba.
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« Reply #426 on: June 25, 2005, 12:30:56 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.


hmmmm


When kids go to a bar, they take money and an ID...
Nothing odd about that...it's routine.



No, hmmmm... having her ID helps to leave the island.
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« Reply #427 on: June 25, 2005, 12:31:05 AM »

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LilOrphan - teens here (New England) say "trippin'" to mean flipping out as in "she was really trippin' coz he went out with so-and-so"


Statements were more like "when we were tripping" and "we have to trip again" kind of things.  But who knows what that stands for in Aruba. Could be anything.
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« Reply #428 on: June 25, 2005, 12:31:26 AM »

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Interviews with the law community in Aruba tonight all say the are in shock over his arrest.  They all say he was a quiet, bright man who was
well respected.[/quote]

Ted Bundy was a bright man too.[/quote]

Yeah but Bundy had about 25 people burried in his back yard... Shocked
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« Reply #429 on: June 25, 2005, 12:32:07 AM »

KackyLacky - sorry, I'm sleepy and typing/reading slow -

on the talking to police issue - the one time my daughter did something that I knew she had done, I called the police and told her to get ready to answer questions (she had driven my car into the driveway before she had her license and hit the neighbor's car - the neighbor's said "don't get her into trouble, she didn't mean to do it" but my take was she did it, she deals with it - and she did.

But if the cops showed up in the middle of the night with 5 wildeyed guys including Jug, I'd be very hesitant for her or my son to answer questions until I knew what was going on.

And remember, Joran offered to talk according to Jug - PVDS and Deepak were told him not to.
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« Reply #430 on: June 25, 2005, 12:32:59 AM »

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And I think that a lot of people are too eager to put the blame on someone....!!

It feels so wrong ,but hey I have my own opinion just as you all do Wink

I don`t believe in people tried with sensational mediahypes and judge and sentence out of courts..... by public opinions!

So I sure as ....  hope that the LE ìn aruba do there jobs as the DUTCH law requires without the pressure from the US or anybody


I do not like a hurried judgement, and surely not the pressure from the grieving family.   I have to confess that in the very beginning I had Joran as prime suspect.  It start changing after no confession and somewhat longer interrogation.  I know the family says that there needs to add more pressure, and that gets me annoyed, as if your saying torture.  It lends some sympathy to Joran. However I cannot square of the part he says he walked home after the beach.  If I was in Jorans corner I d say...that at the beach no sex was engaged for reasons of a: noone brought safe protection, and or I do not think one does sex right on the beach.. if that is the case I d check Jorans clothes and Hamper at home for beach sand.  So no sex, a friendly walk on the beach, they part because a: Joran needs to go home to get ready for exams, and Nat is probably tired and goes to HI...however far ithat might be ....maybe Joran walks her to that point maybe not, Id have to know the nearest intersection from that Marriot beach to the first avail street that will got to Montana.
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« Reply #431 on: June 25, 2005, 12:34:14 AM »

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Please you guys have to see this if you haven't already- it was updated at 8:05 tonight
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« Reply #432 on: June 25, 2005, 12:34:54 AM »

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Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?


Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.


I'm so confused.  I think it was accidental but I cannot understand why he wouldn't confess...unless his father was able to convinced him the body will never be found.


He plays cards, and so far, my "impression" is he does it well.


so she accidentally disappeared?? into the water?? 1/2 truth maybe...
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« Reply #433 on: June 25, 2005, 12:34:59 AM »

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Interviews with the law community in Aruba tonight all say the are in shock over his arrest.  They all say he was a quiet, bright man who was
well respected.[/quote]

Ted Bundy was a bright man too.[/quote]

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG WITH THE REPLY?
NANCY DREW'S POST STARTS HERE...

That's a gross overstatement...Bundy wasn't respected as a long time member of the legal community as a good man...quiet and soft spoken.  I'm not defending him...but, hate to see such nasty statements without knowing all the facts.
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« Reply #434 on: June 25, 2005, 12:35:25 AM »

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KackyLacky - sorry, I'm sleepy and typing/reading slow -

And remember, Joran offered to talk according to Jug - PVDS and Deepak were told him not to.


getting ready to sign off here as well but that is my point,

why did the dad not let his son help the missing girls parents? I just don't understand it at all in a human way. As far as deepak, that just makes me think he knows more than he wants anyone else to know even his mother for that fact.
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« Reply #435 on: June 25, 2005, 12:36:28 AM »

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I doubt that her mother is going to refer to birth control pills as "her medication."  It could be any number of things realistically from allergies to who knows what.


my mom would and i'm 34.


I was thinking the same thing Very Happy


thanx..maybe i'm not nuts...just banannas!!  Rolling Eyes


Shows what I know :\
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« Reply #436 on: June 25, 2005, 12:37:32 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....
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« Reply #437 on: June 25, 2005, 12:37:51 AM »

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Absolut - re the other kids - lots of questions here too! The complete silence (I know they were told to be quiet, etc) is weird and I just don't trust the whole scene somehow though I can't figure out how it all fits together.



Im waiting for the movie. By then all those kids  (maybe) will have moved out from mom and dad and then we will find out what really went on on that trip. Unless National Enquierer buys all those security tapes and beats them to the punch.
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« Reply #438 on: June 25, 2005, 12:37:56 AM »

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If it ever goes to trial? Ahhh ... Aruba better hope it goes to trial. You don't have 5 people held on reasonable suspician charges, 3 of which were the last to ever see her and a missing teen.

If that ever occured they best close up shop because that will never fly in America. Right or wrong, that will never wash. We have Joran's mother on TV today whining that its a govt's conspircacy, she been watching too much American CNN. Her son has changed his story how many times and was last to be seen with girl.

Who really thinks he does not know what happened to Natalee, I mean really?


If they hav no evidence for instance ... that`s what I mean then they have to let them go it`s our law I can`t help it.

And as far as we think we know ho many times he changed his story all we think we know is from mediasources!


I have an open mind on this case, I have not seen any evidence what so ever so leaving a girl on the beach and lies does not make you a murderer.


Open mind is fine, but keep eyes open as well. One is not perpetually in the wrong place at the wrong time without reason,.

My point was more that Aruba best find who did this. Lets say it was accidental death hypothetically, a person just does not disappear. An unsolved disappearance will affect Aruba more than if this does turn out to be a suspected murder as the police said today.


Recall what one of the "experts" related on the Greta? show. There was one conviction of murder when a body wasn't part of the proof, and that was in The Netherlands...I believe she said there was such overwhelming evidence that the court/judge convicted the person.  

...and we have no idea what evidence there is, and we have no confession.  If this goes the distance, the 120/160 days left...

I guess your point is poor Aruba if they don't or if they have an unsolved murder.
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« Reply #439 on: June 25, 2005, 12:38:41 AM »

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Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?


Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.


I'm so confused.  I think it was accidental but I cannot understand why he wouldn't confess...unless his father was able to convinced him the body will never be found.


He plays cards, and so far, my "impression" is he does it well.


As long as there's no body he has a good hand.
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