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« Reply #440 on: June 25, 2005, 12:40:08 AM »

>>No, hmmmm... having her ID helps to leave the island.

Right WW, though I don't believe that theory (voluntarily at least), I talked myself out of US Im. in ATL with a sorry-ass copy of my birth certificate and a GA DL. It seriously took me an hour & almost missed my flight w/ my co-workers, but it was, at least then, possible. Note this was in 1990 and really had nothing to do w/ Aruban Authorities.
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« Reply #441 on: June 25, 2005, 12:40:36 AM »

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I don't remember anything about Greta's reporting that another student did not return???????????


Not a student, another tourist,  He was on ths plane with MB students and stayed at the Holiday Inn, just like Natalee.

I wonder if he witnessed treachery...


I think the week of Natalee missing someone on the beach heard someone a man calling for help in the deep sea...another tourist say it and alerted the beach guard. .. boats were sent but noonewas found...later that week a death body was found...I will see if I can pull that article from diarioaruba.com
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« Reply #442 on: June 25, 2005, 12:40:55 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


Right, but obviously his dad's status isn't very important given his arrest.  If he knew that she ran away he would just go out and say it to end the pain he is causing his family.  

I still don't get why he would help her initially after knowing her for only a few hours, doesn't really make sense.
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« Reply #443 on: June 25, 2005, 12:41:28 AM »

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And I think that a lot of people are too eager to put the blame on someone....!!

It feels so wrong ,but hey I have my own opinion just as you all do Wink

I don`t believe in people tried with sensational mediahypes and judge and sentence out of courts..... by public opinions!

So I sure as ....  hope that the LE ìn aruba do there jobs as the DUTCH law requires without the pressure from the US or anybody


I do not like a hurried judgement, and surely not the pressure from the grieving family.   I have to confess that in the very beginning I had Joran as prime suspect.  It start changing after no confession and somewhat longer interrogation.  I know the family says that there needs to add more pressure, and that gets me annoyed, as if your saying torture.  It lends some sympathy to Joran. However I cannot square of the part he says he walked home after the beach.  If I was in Jorans corner I d say...that at the beach no sex was engaged for reasons of a: noone brought safe protection, and or I do not think one does sex right on the beach.. if that is the case I d check Jorans clothes and Hamper at home for beach sand.  So no sex, a friendly walk on the beach, they part because a: Joran needs to go home to get ready for exams, and Nat is probably tired and goes to HI...however far ithat might be ....maybe Joran walks her to that point maybe not, Id have to know the nearest intersection from that Marriot beach to the first avail street that will got to Montana.


Even if Joran confessed at this point, anyone that understands law would say that his confession was under duress. I mean 100 hours of interrogation with no lawyer present? Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #444 on: June 25, 2005, 12:42:09 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.


hmmmm


I imagine she had her ID in her pocket in case she was carded.
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« Reply #445 on: June 25, 2005, 12:42:28 AM »

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Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?


Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.


I'm so confused.  I think it was accidental but I cannot understand why he wouldn't confess...unless his father was able to convinced him the body will never be found.


He plays cards, and so far, my "impression" is he does it well.


so she accidentally disappeared?? into the water?? 1/2 truth maybe...[/quote

Nope, that wasn't my point.  I don't know what happened.  My read for the past on this board and what's been posted is that he was a card player and a good one, too.
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« Reply #446 on: June 25, 2005, 12:42:33 AM »

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Well what if she voluntarily took x? And then died? During consensual sex? What then?


Then Joran would probably have called the police like any normal person would have.  And he would have confessed by now also.


I'm so confused.  I think it was accidental but I cannot understand why he wouldn't confess...unless his father was able to convinced him the body will never be found.


He plays cards, and so far, my "impression" is he does it well.


As long as there's no body he has a good hand.[e./quote]

unfortunately in that statement there
seems little room for hope that she will be found ever, nevermind alive... depressing thoughts...so sad for her family
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« Reply #447 on: June 25, 2005, 12:43:42 AM »

(...T)he individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial.
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« Reply #448 on: June 25, 2005, 12:43:51 AM »

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But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


That is not comprehensible or possible.
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« Reply #449 on: June 25, 2005, 12:45:33 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


There is NO WAY Natalee "ran away"...........NO WAY.

And, I will not be surprised to learn that this so called "Judge" is involved in far more sinister things than sitting behind a bench.

Time will tell.
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« Reply #450 on: June 25, 2005, 12:46:15 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


Right, but obviously his dad's status isn't very important given his arrest.  If he knew that she ran away he would just go out and say it to end the pain he is causing his family.  

I still don't get why he would help her initially after knowing her for only a few hours, doesn't really make sense.


Yeah, they'd really believe him now...

may not make sense, thats why its a theory..keep putting holes in it, that helps me.
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« Reply #451 on: June 25, 2005, 12:47:05 AM »

too sleepy here to keep up tonight -

good typing with all of you and hope there's good news soon

...coco
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« Reply #452 on: June 25, 2005, 12:47:48 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


I believe her Passport and the balance of her money was found. Not her ID.


hmmmm


I imagine she had her ID in her pocket in case she was carded.


of course.
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« Reply #453 on: June 25, 2005, 12:47:54 AM »

did anyone watch Larry King tonight? they showed a teenage boy w/dark hair saying "Natalee was asking if Joran was going to be at C&C's later".  who was that?  they never said anything else about him or had his name under his picture.  was it someone from MBHS or one of Joran's friends?
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« Reply #454 on: June 25, 2005, 12:48:53 AM »

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But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


That is not comprehensible or possible.


Thank you.
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« Reply #455 on: June 25, 2005, 12:50:08 AM »

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Interviews with the law community in Aruba tonight all say the are in shock over his arrest.  They all say he was a quiet, bright man who was
well respected.


Ted Bundy was a bright man too.[/quote]

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NANCY DREW'S POST STARTS HERE...

That's a gross overstatement...Bundy wasn't respected as a long time member of the legal community as a good man...quiet and soft spoken.  I'm not defending him...but, hate to see such nasty statements without knowing all the facts.[/quote]

Your logical thought process regarding criminal activity and cover up is flawed with compassion for the criminals themself.
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« Reply #456 on: June 25, 2005, 12:50:16 AM »

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Interviews with the law community in Aruba tonight all say the are in shock over his arrest.  They all say he was a quiet, bright man who was
well respected.


Ted Bundy was a bright man too.[/quote]

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG WITH THE REPLY?
NANCY DREW'S POST STARTS HERE...

That's a gross overstatement...Bundy wasn't respected as a long time member of the legal community as a good man...quiet and soft spoken.  I'm not defending him...but, hate to see such nasty statements without knowing all the facts.[/quote]

KACKYLACKY's post below
actually about Bundy.
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During his high school years, Ted appeared to blossom into a more gregarious young man. His popularity increased significantly and he was considered to be "well dressed and exceptionally well mannered." Despite his emerging popularity, Ted seldom dated. His interests lay more in extra-curricular activities such as skiing and politics. In fact, Ted had a particular fascination with politics, an interest that would years later temporarily land him in the political arena.
Following high school, Ted attended college at the University of Puget Sound and the University of Washington....sending out applications to various law schools, while at the same time he became active in politics. He worked on a campaign to re-elect a Washington governor, a position that allowed Ted to form bonds with politically powerful people in the Republican Party. Ted also performed volunteer work at a crisis clinic on a work-study program..............

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bundy/2.html?sect=1
so as an adult he was thought of as bright and charming. Oh the evil it hid.
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« Reply #457 on: June 25, 2005, 12:51:09 AM »

Im gathering that wonder woman is one to be ignored here, just from my first glance in reading.
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« Reply #458 on: June 25, 2005, 12:51:46 AM »

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Im gathering that wonder woman is one to be ignored here, just from my first glance in reading.


Thank Razzy, will remember that.
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« Reply #459 on: June 25, 2005, 12:52:40 AM »

thanks klacky lacky, ive studies many serial killers and murderers enough to know this Vander Sloot kid is exhibiting strong signs towards sociopathic behavior.
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