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« Reply #500 on: June 25, 2005, 01:11:15 AM »

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someone much earlier talked about "jug" , that he was kinda turning them off with his attitude..

I don't know about that, but I will admit I was a little judgemental to him tonite when he was on Hannity......he says...."have you been to C and C's?....then goes on to talk about how wild it was, how they smoke dope right there and how there were fights....he knows it was wild because his son went there last year and told him so....and now he has witnessed it....

okay, okay...you send you son on a wild trip and do you think maybe you  might think twice about sending your dtr?........



Good point....he has a son, eh?....wonder if hes from other marriage?


I would imagine so, since he is older than Natalee.
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« Reply #501 on: June 25, 2005, 01:11:25 AM »

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>>there were 2 pictures on another site I found a little alarming, the one where a belt is tied around someones neck and just the overall size of this guy at 17 years old. Hes almost a physical freak of nature. The hormones raging in a guy that size at his age is alot to handle.

Now that's freaking funny dude. Smile

>>There was a comment made by his mother also that struck me as pathological. She said that she asked Joran why he was even out that night and he said " mom if you never would have gone to Holland then I would have never thought about going out".

The other one about (paraphrase) 'he's going to kick Natalee's butt when she comes out of hiding' struck me. Any innocent fool knows there's an overwhelming chance she's dead. If not, where's she 'hiding' dude?!
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« Reply #502 on: June 25, 2005, 01:11:47 AM »

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I would add that Deepaks emails do not support her running away either. You can not believe them and that she ran away.


Ka ching....logic rears it's ugly head.   Wink Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #503 on: June 25, 2005, 01:12:24 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


Right, but obviously his dad's status isn't very important given his arrest.  If he knew that she ran away he would just go out and say it to end the pain he is causing his family.  

I still don't get why he would help her initially after knowing her for only a few hours, doesn't really make sense.


Yeah, they'd really believe him now...

may not make sense, thats why its a theory..keep putting holes in it, that helps me.


Your "theory" is full of holes, and that's why the "Judge" sits in jail.



And Bingo's theory is......


I have my theory, and it's not pretty as it invloves the "Judge", Joren, drugs.........

But, Natalee's family has the right person working for them, and this will SOON all come to light.
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« Reply #504 on: June 25, 2005, 01:12:49 AM »

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There is absolutely no factual basis for a comparison between Paulas Van Der   Sloot and Ted Bundy!!!!

Yes, I have compassion, but I also but I also believe in fair justice.  The charges against him right now aren't even for murder...much less serial murder.

Not even close

PVDS is being charged with making a different statement to Greta than he made to the police.

The funny thing about this case is that there is never any evidence. Were always back to square one... Rolling Eyes


Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest.
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But we have to remember that we do not know what he said to the police during his first questioning.  They have heard what he said to them then and what he said to Greta later, so he could have incriminated himself and neither Greta of any of us could know.


Also there seems to be a possibility they are using the arrest of the dad to put more pressure on the kid.  They said he was shocked today to hear his dad was arrested.

AND, they said it could be as simple as telling Joran to stay quiet..there is some conflict with that since he's an official member of the legal community...or, it could be that he said something they picked up via phone taps.
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« Reply #505 on: June 25, 2005, 01:13:39 AM »

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There is absolutely no factual basis for a comparison between Paulas Van Der   Sloot and Ted Bundy!!!!

Yes, I have compassion, but I also but I also believe in fair justice.  The charges against him right now aren't even for murder...much less serial murder.

Not even close.


PVDS is being charged with making a different statement to Greta than he made to the police.

The funny thing about this case is that there is never any evidence. Were always back to square one... Rolling Eyes


Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest.


PVDS was arrested because his orignal interview with POLICE was not substantiated.  They couldnt verify his statements.  Greta knows nothing that was said in that police interview.
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« Reply #506 on: June 25, 2005, 01:15:02 AM »

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There is something on those Hotel video tapes that paint a pretty dirty picture of the Vander Sloot men and you wont get that at blockbuster


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I have not heard anything about videos of them.  Where did this come from?
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« Reply #507 on: June 25, 2005, 01:15:52 AM »

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thanks klacky lacky, ive studies many serial killers and murderers enough to know this Vander Sloot kid is exhibiting strong signs towards sociopathic behavior.


http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/       please  RazzyBerry go look at this update of pictures of Joran


I read that site tonight monkey, there were 2 pictures on another site I found a little alarming, the one where a belt is tied around someones neck and just the overall size of this guy at 17 years old.  Hes almost a physical freak of nature.  The hormones raging in a guy that size at his age is alot to handle.  

There was a comment made by his mother also that struck me as pathological.  She said that she asked Joran why he was even out that night and he said " mom if you never would have gone to Holland then I would have never thought about going out" .  Right there he is shifting blame for his behavior on his mother trying to make her feel guilty.  That kind of behavior he might have learned from his father.


I have never heard the mother say that.  Can you direct me to the link for the interview?


It was the Greta interview of the mother at the vander sloot house on Fox the other night.
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« Reply #508 on: June 25, 2005, 01:16:16 AM »

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There is absolutely no factual basis for a comparison between Paulas Van Der   Sloot and Ted Bundy!!!!

Yes, I have compassion, but I also but I also believe in fair justice.  The charges against him right now aren't even for murder...much less serial murder.

Not even close.


PVDS is being charged with making a different statement to Greta than he made to the police.

The funny thing about this case is that there is never any evidence. Were always back to square one... Rolling Eyes


Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest.


PVDS was arrested because his orignal interview with POLICE was not substantiated.  They couldnt verify his statements.  Greta knows nothing that was said in that police interview.


OK, Razzy, spit it out...I'll bite.  Do tell what they did say in the police interviews?  I'm all ears.
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« Reply #509 on: June 25, 2005, 01:16:49 AM »

Why good evening, nancy Smile

Wanted you to know I second this:

Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest

I thought the exact same thing, and with the swirling rumors he's not cooperating (if true) just how far they'll really get with it.
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« Reply #510 on: June 25, 2005, 01:17:12 AM »

Hotel Videos, The Van Der Sloot Men.

Do share.
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« Reply #511 on: June 25, 2005, 01:17:38 AM »

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I would add that Deepaks emails do not support her running away either. You can not believe them and that she ran away.


Ka ching....logic rears it's ugly head.   Wink Laughing  Laughing



logic?

i'll re-post for you:

the dropping at HI part is the cover story...but other than that, he did not see her after the Marriot(supposedly).....nor did he ever talk to her like Joran did.

So, the e-mail neither debunks or supports my "hopeful" theory
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« Reply #512 on: June 25, 2005, 01:17:51 AM »

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someone much earlier talked about "jug" , that he was kinda turning them off with his attitude..

I don't know about that, but I will admit I was a little judgemental to him tonite when he was on Hannity......he says...."have you been to C and C's?....then goes on to talk about how wild it was, how they smoke dope right there and how there were fights....he knows it was wild because his son went there last year and told him so....and now he has witnessed it....

okay, okay...you send you son on a wild trip and do you think maybe you  might think twice about sending your dtr?........



Good point....he has a son, eh?....wonder if hes from other marriage?


What the heck does this have to do with anything?
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« Reply #513 on: June 25, 2005, 01:18:21 AM »

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Why good evening, nancy Smile

Wanted you to know I second this:

Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest

I thought the exact same thing, and with the swirling rumors he's not cooperating (if true) just how far they'll really get with it.


Hi, RB...

That wasn't my quote...I keep screwing up the "reply" so it may have looked like my post.
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« Reply #514 on: June 25, 2005, 01:18:57 AM »

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Does anyone know if the beach with the fishermans hut is called the Marriott beach by the locals or does it have another name?


Has the fishermans hut break in been confirmed?


not that I have heard.  My reason for asking is going under the theory that you keep a story the truth up until you need to lie so you don't get tripped up.  If D & S did drop off Joran and Natalee at the Marriott Beach, did Natalee think it was at the Marriott Hotel whcih was close to the HI and not the beach that Greta showed this evening when the camera panned and she said "see the ring of lights thats the hotels in the distance".  So if Natalee stumbled when she got out of the car and brushed off Jorans help was part of the truth, was  she was angry/upset and thought she was close enough to walk to the HI by herself.  If she was impaired then maybe she heard them say Marriott Beach and said let me off here thinking she would walk to the HI.
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« Reply #515 on: June 25, 2005, 01:19:56 AM »

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>>there were 2 pictures on another site I found a little alarming, the one where a belt is tied around someones neck and just the overall size of this guy at 17 years old. Hes almost a physical freak of nature. The hormones raging in a guy that size at his age is alot to handle.

Now that's freaking funny dude. Smile

>>There was a comment made by his mother also that struck me as pathological. She said that she asked Joran why he was even out that night and he said " mom if you never would have gone to Holland then I would have never thought about going out".

The other one about (paraphrase) 'he's going to kick Natalee's butt when she comes out of hiding' struck me. Any innocent fool knows there's an overwhelming chance she's dead. If not, where's she 'hiding' dude?!


The quote was "kick her but IN FRONT OF HER MOTHER" very distasteful at the least.
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« Reply #516 on: June 25, 2005, 01:20:08 AM »

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thanks klacky lacky, ive studies many serial killers and murderers enough to know this Vander Sloot kid is exhibiting strong signs towards sociopathic behavior.


http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/       please  RazzyBerry go look at this update of pictures of Joran


I read that site tonight monkey, there were 2 pictures on another site I found a little alarming, the one where a belt is tied around someones neck and just the overall size of this guy at 17 years old.  Hes almost a physical freak of nature.  The hormones raging in a guy that size at his age is alot to handle.  

There was a comment made by his mother also that struck me as pathological.  She said that she asked Joran why he was even out that night and he said " mom if you never would have gone to Holland then I would have never thought about going out" .  Right there he is shifting blame for his behavior on his mother trying to make her feel guilty.  That kind of behavior he might have learned from his father.


I have never heard the mother say that.  Can you direct me to the link for the interview?


It was the Greta interview of the mother at the vander sloot house on Fox the other night.


Yes, I do remember momma VDS saying that when Greta was talking to the VDSs.  I found it interesting that she only made this comment after daddy VDS got up to answer the phone and was not in the room.  Shocked
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« Reply #517 on: June 25, 2005, 01:21:32 AM »

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someone much earlier talked about "jug" , that he was kinda turning them off with his attitude..

I don't know about that, but I will admit I was a little judgemental to him tonite when he was on Hannity......he says...."have you been to C and C's?....then goes on to talk about how wild it was, how they smoke dope right there and how there were fights....he knows it was wild because his son went there last year and told him so....and now he has witnessed it....

okay, okay...you send you son on a wild trip and do you think maybe you  might think twice about sending your dtr?........



Good point....he has a son, eh?....wonder if hes from other marriage?


What the heck does this have to do with anything?


I just wondered, why are you being so well-mannered?
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« Reply #518 on: June 25, 2005, 01:21:47 AM »

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you make a good point.  but remember Natalee is his step-daughter.  Even though he may have misgivings her mom really would have the final say.  I in no way am implying that she is not close to jug from what I have been told it is a tight nit family but I would think that Beth and David and Jug would have been helping her pay for this.  Do you really thinkg Jug's son told him everything that happened on his trip down there.  Some one questioned earlier if David would actually stay in Aruba or go back to the states.  I have a feeling that neither Beth nor David will leave the island until they have their daughter.  They may be divorced but this is their daughter and I am sure any differences they have or had are gone now.  This ordeal cant help but bring them together.  You have to feel for both Jug and Robin, Nat's stepparents.  I am sure they both love Natalee and it is good that they are their for Beth and David.  They know that Beth and David are the ones affected the most because Natalee is their daughter and first born.  Jug and Robin both I am sure are trying to help anyway they can, I like Jug's gung ho approach to searching, do i tdown there southern style.  So We need to back off of all four of them because they just want answers and will get them anyway they have to.
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« Reply #519 on: June 25, 2005, 01:22:07 AM »

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KackyLacky---Your scenario just doesnt pan out. Paulus VD SLOOT is a TRAINED Lawyer he of all people know that an accidental death is NO-WAY a Prosecutorial Murder Charge. If anything he would have told his son Joran to immediately contact the Police. I just doont buy an accidential death cover-up. The Boy Joran would easily get out of any rap if that scenario had happened. There has to motive to prove Murder, and if there is no motive there is no murder.

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I agree 100%.  If you are innocent, your parent wouldn't suggest you "saying nothing" (although an attorney knowing you committed a crime might...hmmm?) when a parent is at your doorstep at 3am looking for their missing daughter.  I just can't image ANY reason for them to lie OR to say nothing, unless they were trying to cover their behinds about something.


as I said in a lower post, this goes thru my mind at times. That said, I am a child of a parent and grandparents of Norway, and I kind of understand how those parents think.

To this day, my Grandmother covers for her son, the alcoholic who everyone know steals from family by saying he is just trying to get ahead and needs help. I bet there are some here from Europe or from recent European descent who understand what their "family's name" means in the world.

I could see my grandfather covering for one of his kids, just because reputation is everything, I mean almost everything to them. It is hard to understand the degree that reputation means to us as Americans.

But, I agree, I wouldn't cover like this for my child, I am not in no way shape or form, rationalizing or excusing anything the VdS's may have done, please understand that!
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OK I have not taken sides so to speak, but By God if this was my daughter I guess I would be considered a cowgirl, because I would leave no stone unturned. If this was my son, and I have one who is in Iraq as we speak, I would ORDER him to talk to the parents of a girl who came to my door in the middle of the night saying he was the last known person with her. I would MAKE him tell what he knew.......no if ands or buts, and if it incriminated him, then I would deal with that then.


The best way to RUIN a family's reputation is to be so concerned about it that you COVER for a child, when he's done something wrong.
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