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« Reply #560 on: June 25, 2005, 01:44:27 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.



But don't have a name or location.


thanks, WW.  just wondering why they threw that in at LK and never said anything about it.
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« Reply #561 on: June 25, 2005, 01:44:28 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


The young man reported that Nat and Joran met days before CnC. There are some people that believe they just met that one day..but no it was more like days.


Everyone keeps re-iterating that it's known that this happened, but hardin9744 was asking if anyone knew who this kid was???  WAS HE FROM MBHS???
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« Reply #562 on: June 25, 2005, 01:44:48 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.


Why lie then, and try to blame it on the hotel guards.  Innocent people dont concoct stories and alibis.

Exactly!
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« Reply #563 on: June 25, 2005, 01:45:31 AM »

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There is absolutely no factual basis for a comparison between Paulas Van Der   Sloot and Ted Bundy!!!!

Yes, I have compassion, but I also but I also believe in fair justice.  The charges against him right now aren't even for murder...much less serial murder.

Not even close.


PVDS is being charged with making a different statement to Greta than he made to the police.

The funny thing about this case is that there is never any evidence. Were always back to square one... Rolling Eyes


Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest.


That's exactly what I think it means...


I thought so, too...or MISDIRECTION, or just BUGGED the HOUSE when they took evidence or took evidence on the pretext...these guys are under the gun to get someone...judge, Joran or jury to confess or tell them something (as far as we know...)...

Never seen an Aruban murder mystery, but I imagine that the folks at the precinct in Aruba are saying...praying...that they get someone to raise their hand and say, "excuse me, I did it.".

They get that, not much pressure to second guess a statement like that, IMO.[/b]
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« Reply #564 on: June 25, 2005, 01:45:36 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


Yes, and it is "quoted" in Deepak's e-mail

:see other thread:

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Seems as though Deepak has alot of friends............


so does Natalee, I wish they could all just tell us what really happened.
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« Reply #565 on: June 25, 2005, 01:45:42 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.

So why lie?

Why the stonewalling when NH's parents show up desperately looking for their missing daughter?
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« Reply #566 on: June 25, 2005, 01:46:00 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


The young man reported that Nat and Joran met days before CnC. There are some people that believe they just met that one day..but no it was more like days.

What's bothering me now is that PVDS was at the HI casino that same night (as reported on FOX News tonight).


I did not get his name either,,and at the time thought he was friend of Joran,,,

I like the idea thrown out earlier,,,makes sense,,,J took Nat to his apt...
what happened then
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« Reply #567 on: June 25, 2005, 01:46:30 AM »

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please dont tell me you think Greta of Fox network news is sitting on those police interrogations.  Im not privy to any police knowledge, im using common sense.  I cant follow your thought process without going outside reality.  Let me give you a lesson on police evidence sharing here.

Local police - They know everything
Our FBI - Their kknowledge is about 90%, but since they kids were moved to the prison the FBI interrogators were not allowed to sit in any more meetings.
Greta of Fox - 10% - This lady knows nothing, which means you are basing your points on 10% of the evidence.


Since my FBI suit is at the cleaners...and the forensics lab in my hall bathroom is closed for the night....all I've got to work with is interviews, official statements and pure common sense.  

I'm fine with that...
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« Reply #568 on: June 25, 2005, 01:48:02 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.


Why lie then, and try to blame it on the hotel guards.  Innocent people dont concoct stories and alibis.


Remember they didn't finger the guards by name. They just said that Natalee made it back to the HI ok. They were obviously covering Jorans ass so he wasnt the last person to see her i.e. the main suspect in her disappearance.
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« Reply #569 on: June 25, 2005, 01:48:22 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


Yes, and it is "quoted" in Deepak's e-mail

:see other thread:

Smile

Seems as though Deepak has alot of friends............


so does Natalee, I wish they could all just tell us what really happened.

WW, Natalee is the missing one. I don't think the MBHS students know what happened any more than we do. OR are you implying that she's run away? Be straightforward about it, if that's the case.
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« Reply #570 on: June 25, 2005, 01:49:39 AM »

Inspector Director:

You really have no idea how much evidence the police have right now, just because there is no body doesnt mean the police dont have plenty of evidence.  You better believe they have something to arrest a local judge and continue holding him.  

and that comment "something bad happened"  - people keep forgetting this comment.  this was made by someone probably one of the brothers.  They are probably pounding JVDS regarding it...and hes not breaking.
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« Reply #571 on: June 25, 2005, 01:49:49 AM »

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I used the wink to show I was kidding, but I think we all forget that the written word can come across different than we might mean.


Very true, the internet will eventually evolve to have some sort of BODY language. It's already got an International Language started!


IMHO.....LOL
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« Reply #572 on: June 25, 2005, 01:51:27 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.

So why lie?

Why the stonewalling when NH's parents show up desperately looking for their missing daughter?


From the Twittys own testimony Joran was willing to talk to them. It was his dad that kept telling him to be quit. Remember his dad is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer will tell you to do in this situation is be quit. Paulus is in jail right now because he talked to Gretta.
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« Reply #573 on: June 25, 2005, 01:51:48 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.


Why lie then, and try to blame it on the hotel guards.  Innocent people dont concoct stories and alibis.


Remember they didn't finger the guards by name. They just said that Natalee made it back to the HI ok. They were obviously covering Jorans ass so he wasnt the last person to see her i.e. the main suspect in her disappearance.


Who they blamed it on is immaterial, the fact that they felt the need to concoct an alibi implicated them.  Then on top of that they changed the story 3 times. Bottom line, innocent people dont concoct stories and one of the telltale signs of crimincal involvement is the changing of stories of the parties involved with the crime itself.
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« Reply #574 on: June 25, 2005, 01:52:28 AM »

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Why lie then, and try to blame it on the hotel guards.  Innocent people dont concoct stories and alibis.



Lying to cover friend with no alibi for being last alone with mising girl.

Did see security guard type person (near Marriot/HI when dropped off), was trying to help, not get innocent people arrested.
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« Reply #575 on: June 25, 2005, 01:53:07 AM »

on Greta tonight- where did that come from that PVDS was at HI casino w/Joran and all the MBHS kids?  which night did she mean?  could it have been earlier in the week?

not sure what this means- but it is another thing to add to the confusion, i.e, did PVDS see/meet Natalee too??
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« Reply #576 on: June 25, 2005, 01:53:27 AM »

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Nancy:

please dont tell me you think Greta of Fox network news is sitting on those police interrogations.  Im not privy to any police knowledge, im using common sense.  I cant follow your thought process without going outside reality.  Let me give you a lesson on police evidence sharing here.

Local police - They know everything
Our FBI - Their kknowledge is about 90%, but since they kids were moved to the prison the FBI interrogators were not allowed to sit in any more meetings.
Greta of Fox - 10% - This lady knows nothing, which means you are basing your points on 10% of the evidence.


Since my FBI suit is at the cleaners...and the forensics lab in my hall bathroom is closed for the night....all I've got to work with is interviews, official statements and pure common sense.  

I'm fine with that...


Well following that logic then everyone should be set free because there is nobody, no confession and nobody told Fox news they did it.
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« Reply #577 on: June 25, 2005, 01:54:04 AM »

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Inspector Director:

You really have no idea how much evidence the police have right now, just because there is no body doesnt mean the police dont have plenty of evidence.  You better believe they have something to arrest a local judge and continue holding him.  

and that comment "something bad happened"  - people keep forgetting this comment.  this was made by someone probably one of the brothers.  They are probably pounding JVDS regarding it...and hes not breaking.


They better have some evidence, and hopefully the searchers find a body because if Daddy and Son stay quiet...and there's no evidence, body or confession...they'll walk.

Note even the legal authorities in Aruba can answer the question about conviction without a body.  They'll walk.
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« Reply #578 on: June 25, 2005, 01:54:38 AM »

>>Yes he said he would "kick natalies butt" but that is probably the least of all the incriminating statements as that just means, she should be ashamed for making her parents worry.

OK, it's late, specuLATE. Does this 'abuse the female victim in front of her mother' phrase pop up in any of Joran's favorite bands on tickle.com? I like to gamble, and I'm betting I could find it...
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« Reply #579 on: June 25, 2005, 01:54:54 AM »

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