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« Reply #580 on: June 25, 2005, 01:55:03 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


The young man reported that Nat and Joran met days before CnC. There are some people that believe they just met that one day..but no it was more like days.


Everyone keeps re-iterating that it's known that this happened, but hardin9744 was asking if anyone knew who this kid was???  WAS HE FROM MBHS???


If it's any consolation, one of her friends already stated that Joran was really quiet and Nat went up and introduced herself to him.
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« Reply #581 on: June 25, 2005, 01:55:04 AM »

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on Greta tonight- where did that come from that PVDS was at HI casino w/Joran and all the MBHS kids?  which night did she mean?  could it have been earlier in the week?

not sure what this means- but it is another thing to add to the confusion, i.e, did PVDS see/meet Natalee too??


Theres something on those hotel videos.  Im telling you people, im not sure what it is but something on those videos is implicating the father. They are insuating that he was there based on the videos.
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« Reply #582 on: June 25, 2005, 01:55:19 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.

So why lie?

Why the stonewalling when NH's parents show up desperately looking for their missing daughter?


From the Twittys own testimony Joran was willing to talk to them. It was his dad that kept telling him to be quit. Remember his dad is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer will tell you to do in this situation is be quit. Paulus is in jail right now because he talked to Gretta.


Maybe PVDS was afraid that Joran was about to tell all, in other words confess!
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« Reply #583 on: June 25, 2005, 01:56:41 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.

So why lie?

Why the stonewalling when NH's parents show up desperately looking for their missing daughter?


From the Twittys own testimony Joran was willing to talk to them. It was his dad that kept telling him to be quit. Remember his dad is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer will tell you to do in this situation is be quit. Paulus is in jail right now because he talked to Gretta.

AFAIK, Deepak's not a lawyer and was telling Joran to keep his trap shut too. From the reports I've heard, it smacks me that Joran was acting like an immature 17 year old, who thinks he's untouchable because of his status (esp. his judge-in-training father).

If what we've heard is true -  i.e. bragging about having sex with Natalee at school the next day, telling his mom 'I'll kick her butt when she shows up' - it seems to me that he's acting how he thinks an innocent person might act. Personally, I don't think that's how an innocent person might act. I'd expect worry, concern, bewilderment, etc.

Just MHO.

BTW, we have heard that Joran was at school the next day. Do we know if Papa Smurf was at work on time?
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« Reply #584 on: June 25, 2005, 01:56:57 AM »

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You really have no idea how much evidence the police have right now, just because there is no body doesnt mean the police dont have plenty of evidence.  You better believe they have something to arrest a local judge and continue holding him.  

and that comment "something bad happened"  - people keep forgetting this comment.  this was made by someone probably one of the brothers.  They are probably pounding JVDS regarding it...and hes not breaking.


They better have some evidence, and hopefully the searchers find a body because if Daddy and Son stay quiet...and there's no evidence, body or confession...they'll walk.

Note even the legal authorities in Aruba can answer the question about conviction without a body.  They'll walk.


Youre right they will walk.  Thats why they are letting Texas come in to search.  No one as given them any indication where the body is thats why their search is so widespread.  The only thing that will enable them to find Natalie is luck.
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« Reply #585 on: June 25, 2005, 01:57:05 AM »

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Ok, skipped over 5 pages of posts (not too shabby hehe). Hello everyone!

I've been stuck on a post by poster heartache on the previous RBN thread.

Assuming Sonny VDS called Daddy VDS after some accident/foul play...

If he called Daddy from the Marriott beach, there would have been a cell phone call from there, and Daddy would have been hauled in sooner.

The fact that this is improbable (due to Daddy only being detained today, thus no cell phone record of such a call) this would lead one to assume that it Sonny may have taken Natalee to his 'appartment'.

The implication of this is that the Kelpoes are lying about the Marriott beach dropoff, and that they dropped Joran and Natalee at the VDS residence (makes sense if you read Dutch Lady's theory, under Theory and Speculation).

The alternative is that Joran really did walk home, being a big ol' jerk and leaving Natalee passed out (but still alive) at the beach near the Marriott. Which leads me to ask, why lie, and not just a simple lie, but a lie orchestrated between himself and the Kalpoes? if they are completely innocent?

The latter alternative does not jive.

Thoughts? Comments?  Corrections in my late night logic?


Good logic on the cell phone theory. But what if Joran is telling the truth. He said that Natalee wanted to stay at the beach. From what weve heard her quoted before it was her last night in Aruba. This would be about 3:00 am? Plenty of time for someone else to kidnap her - hence the lack of real evidence in this case.


Why lie then, and try to blame it on the hotel guards.  Innocent people dont concoct stories and alibis.


Remember they didn't finger the guards by name. They just said that Natalee made it back to the HI ok. They were obviously covering Jorans ass so he wasnt the last person to see her i.e. the main suspect in her disappearance.


Who they blamed it on is immaterial, the fact that they felt the need to concoct an alibi implicated them.  Then on top of that they changed the story 3 times. Bottom line, innocent people dont concoct stories and one of the telltale signs of crimincal involvement is the changing of stories of the parties involved with the crime itself.


But, Razzy Dazzle, it doesn't really matter how many times they changed their story...without evidence, a body or a confession, this case goes nowhere. Doncha think?
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« Reply #586 on: June 25, 2005, 01:58:05 AM »

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Inspector Director:

You really have no idea how much evidence the police have right now, just because there is no body doesnt mean the police dont have plenty of evidence.  You better believe they have something to arrest a local judge and continue holding him.  

and that comment "something bad happened"  - people keep forgetting this comment.  this was made by someone probably one of the brothers.  They are probably pounding JVDS regarding it...and hes not breaking.


Apparantly they had no evidence on the 2 security guards whatsoever and they were arrested for murder and kidnapping. Arresting Jorans dad is a very good sign that they dont have any evidence. Whatever those kids say now I would consider to be a statement under duress. Like torturing someone into a confession - it means nothing.
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« Reply #587 on: June 25, 2005, 01:58:34 AM »

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2nd time of asking- did anyone see Larry King tonight?  there was a teenage boy w/dark hair reporting Natalee asked (presumably at the HI casino) if Joran was going to be at C&C's later that night?  was he from MBHS?  they showed a 15 second clip of the boy and never said another word about it.  didn't see a name for him on screen.  thanks.


Yes, and it is "quoted" in Deepak's e-mail

:see other thread:

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Seems as though Deepak has alot of friends............


so does Natalee, I wish they could all just tell us what really happened.

WW, Natalee is the missing one. I don't think the MBHS students know what happened any more than we do. OR are you implying that she's run away? Be straightforward about it, if that's the case.



Getagrip... What was not straightforward about my comment?
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« Reply #588 on: June 25, 2005, 01:58:37 AM »

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on Greta tonight- where did that come from that PVDS was at HI casino w/Joran and all the MBHS kids?  which night did she mean?  could it have been earlier in the week?

not sure what this means- but it is another thing to add to the confusion, i.e, did PVDS see/meet Natalee too??


Theres something on those hotel videos.  Im telling you people, im not sure what it is but something on those videos is implicating the father. They are insuating that he was there based on the videos.


Are you refering to the HI Casino surveillance video's?
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« Reply #589 on: June 25, 2005, 01:58:40 AM »

Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #590 on: June 25, 2005, 01:59:25 AM »

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someone much earlier talked about "jug" , that he was kinda turning them off with his attitude..

I don't know about that, but I will admit I was a little judgemental to him tonite when he was on Hannity......he says...."have you been to C and C's?....then goes on to talk about how wild it was, how they smoke dope right there and how there were fights....he knows it was wild because his son went there last year and told him so....and now he has witnessed it....

okay, okay...you send you son on a wild trip and do you think maybe you  might think twice about sending your dtr?........


That's a pretty bold synopsis, IMO, lee.  I shall think about that one.  Seriously.
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« Reply #591 on: June 25, 2005, 01:59:58 AM »

Hi all. Been lurking for weeks, so decided to join.

About Natalee knowing Joran.

On  the O'Reilly Factor on Fox, he had on 2 kids from MBHS. A boy and a girl, both were on the trip. The boy, Edward Kissel said:

Natalee and Joran and some of natalee's better friends were hanging out together for the 2 or 3 days.

The girl, I didbn't catch her name said, Natalee is the reason she passed calculus.

Anyway, thought it interesting that Natalee and her better friends did seem to know Joran for longer than the last night.
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« Reply #592 on: June 25, 2005, 02:00:13 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


What makes you think he's a sociopath? We've had so many conflicting stories on his character, how can you tell?
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« Reply #593 on: June 25, 2005, 02:01:31 AM »

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so does Natalee, I wish they could all just tell us what really happened.

WW, Natalee is the missing one. I don't think the MBHS students know what happened any more than we do. OR are you implying that she's run away? Be straightforward about it, if that's the case.[/quote]


Getagrip... What was not straightforward about my comment?[/quote]
You didn't explicitly say that you thought the MBHS students know that she ran away.  That was the implied part. Hope that helped Smile
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« Reply #594 on: June 25, 2005, 02:01:35 AM »

Maybe it's one of those deals where you acted like a jerk, left the drunk girl on the beach....now she's missing....Oh no...you're freaking out...you know you didn't do anything wrong..she'll turn up...just say you let her out at HI...you even say she was talking to a security guard so she must have been alright....Now she doesn't turn up...you've got to keep lying...they arrest a couple of security guards...she's still gone.... you start to think, maybe the security guard did have something to do with it....By then you're stuck in your lie....then you have to keep lying...you figure out quick that you can't lie anymore cause other folks are not lying anymore. Oh my ...you're in it up to your eyeballs now because of that first stupid lie....And you're finally figuring out that you've got to tell the truth. But now no one believes you now because of the first lie.......Mama always said if you tell one lie you're gonna have to tell three more to cover that one up....
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« Reply #595 on: June 25, 2005, 02:02:06 AM »

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someone much earlier talked about "jug" , that he was kinda turning them off with his attitude..

I don't know about that, but I will admit I was a little judgemental to him tonite when he was on Hannity......he says...."have you been to C and C's?....then goes on to talk about how wild it was, how they smoke dope right there and how there were fights....he knows it was wild because his son went there last year and told him so....and now he has witnessed it....

okay, okay...you send you son on a wild trip and do you think maybe you  might think twice about sending your dtr?........


That was odd, i didn't think about that connection til you posted Thanks.


hey lee...i'm just catchin' up...but that makes two of us...(see my previous response)...
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« Reply #596 on: June 25, 2005, 02:02:08 AM »

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Inspector Director:

You really have no idea how much evidence the police have right now, just because there is no body doesnt mean the police dont have plenty of evidence.  You better believe they have something to arrest a local judge and continue holding him.  

and that comment "something bad happened"  - people keep forgetting this comment.  this was made by someone probably one of the brothers.  They are probably pounding JVDS regarding it...and hes not breaking.


Apparantly they had no evidence on the 2 security guards whatsoever and they were arrested for murder and kidnapping. Arresting Jorans dad is a very good sign that they dont have any evidence. Whatever those kids say now I would consider to be a statement under duress. Like torturing someone into a confession - it means nothing.


You dont understand the way the arubian system works and your terminology is from the arrest systems of the USA. No one has been charged for murder or kidnapping.  They can only be detained for suspicion under arubian law for 116 days without being formally charged.  You can hold someone for those 116 days if there is sufficient evidence, at certain time points 6 hours, 48 hours, etc etc, further evidence must be presented.  Arresting Jorans father means they have more than you think.
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« Reply #597 on: June 25, 2005, 02:02:26 AM »

2 thoughts I just had:

Could we be underestimating PVDS?  Wouldn't it be brilliant if he orchestrated a variety of timelines for for the 3 boys?  First the tell the HI drop off story...then the brothers and joran tell split stories.. then the marriot story....  

We must remember he is an expert on the Aruban legal system.. if anyone can beat the system he's the guy to do it...


this leads to the second thought:

by doing so all the police have is serious inconsistancy in stories... what they do not have is a body.  What if sharks devoured it? (very possible espically if she was bleeding)  Chances are it will never be found
.... so that leads to the brilliance of constantly changing alibis

..how can these people be tried and seriously be found guilty?  They cant.  It would be easier to find them guilty if they all stuck to one story and the prosecution was able to totally contradict it with evidence  (assuming no body is ever found)  ... I predict their stories will soon change once again

... too much confusion and a severe lack of concrete evidence (a body) to convict these people
... its almost the perfect crime
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« Reply #598 on: June 25, 2005, 02:02:30 AM »

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Hi all. Been lurking for weeks, so decided to join.

About Natalee knowing Joran.

On  the O'Reilly Factor on Fox, he had on 2 kids from MBHS. A boy and a girl, both were on the trip. The boy, Edward Kissel said:

Natalee and Joran and some of natalee's better friends were hanging out together for the 2 or 3 days.
The girl, I didbn't catch her name said, Natalee is the reason she passed calculus.

Anyway, thought it interesting that Natalee and her better friends did seem to know Joran for longer than the last night.


I thought they said that Joran had been "hanging around" where they where, not "hanging out" with them.
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« Reply #599 on: June 25, 2005, 02:02:30 AM »

Nat's cousins,,,twins were on the trip...they played BJ with Joran..  Their last name is Twitty,,and are the sons of Jugs brother,,Marcia Twitty,,you may have seen her on tv from B'ham.  

The article is in the PEOPLE MAG
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