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« Reply #620 on: June 25, 2005, 02:10:50 AM »

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Maybe it's one of those deals where you acted like a jerk, left the drunk girl on the beach....now she's missing....Oh no...you're freaking out...you know you didn't do anything wrong..she'll turn up...just say you let her out at HI...you even say she was talking to a security guard so she must have been alright....Now she doesn't turn up...you've got to keep lying...they arrest a couple of security guards...she's still gone.... you start to think, maybe the security guard did have something to do with it....By then you're stuck in your lie....then you have to keep lying...you figure out quick that you can't lie anymore cause other folks are not lying anymore. Oh my ...you're in it up to your eyeballs now because of that first stupid lie....And you're finally figuring out that you've got to tell the truth. But now no one believes you now because of the first lie.......Mama always said if you tell one lie you're gonna have to tell three more to cover that one up....


WoW, thanx thats what's in my head.
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« Reply #621 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:08 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


He calls Daddy!


As the smart guy pointed out. Wouldnt the cell phone records have shown that early on? Rolling Eyes


Would there be records if he used a pay phone?  Do we know he had his cell on him aside from the story from the brothers that he called or messaged them???  Can we believe this story from them??


The pay phones there use some wierd card. Not saying it didn't happen but just as traceable.
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« Reply #622 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:16 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


He calls Daddy!


As the smart guy pointed out. Wouldnt the cell phone records have shown that early on? Rolling Eyes

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The mishap happened at the appartment, in my estimation.


So they WALKED to his apartment?

No, Deepak and Satish dropped them off there, meaning that they've lied yet again.
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« Reply #623 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:31 AM »

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CASO CRUEL DI ASESINATO SABANA BASORA Curpa a wordo haya den Santana na Sabana basora

A cruel case of murder Sabana Basora, where a body was found in a cemetary at Sabana Basora
 

According the wife she told police that she was missing her spouse which she was living with, who is M.R.G born 12 June 1973



Thanks for posting that, Compananzi.  Any idea what the M stands for in M.R.G.  and would it be customary to leave the 'V' for 'van' part out of the initials?  Anyone know this guy's full name?
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« Reply #624 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:59 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


He calls Daddy!


As the smart guy pointed out. Wouldnt the cell phone records have shown that early on? Rolling Eyes


Would there be records if he used a pay phone?  Do we know he had his cell on him aside from the story from the brothers that he called or messaged them???  Can we believe this story from them??


Smart kid - hey I better use a pay phone, cuz the cops are gonna track my cell. Hi dad, I've got another cold one. Better bring the shovel...
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« Reply #625 on: June 25, 2005, 02:13:12 AM »

so you're an arrogant little sh*t and think you own the world, so what would you prefer.....taking on the little American on a cold, damp, smelly, sandy beach OR bringing her back to your own bedroom, because you know Big Daddy allows you to do what ever you want to do.....


but, you give the little American a abit too much dope....she dies....thankfully, Big Daddy is around to help...

I wish we knew where the Pimps filmed their last porno flick, because maybe that's where Nat met her fate.......my worse thought is that he tried to film his little escapades...
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« Reply #626 on: June 25, 2005, 02:14:49 AM »

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What role do you think the brothers and the DJ play in this?


Nancy:

Regarding the 2 brothers, either they know very little ie:we dropped them off  or 1 or both were there when she was killed.  If neither of them had nothing to do with her murder, I seriously doubt they would help a buddy bury a girl or toss her out to sea just because they are friends.  And if they did, they wouldnt hold it in very long.  EX: joran calls his friends and say I killed her help me bury her - sorry I just dont think they will get in their honda with a shovel and start digging.  

Maybe one of the brothers also raped natalie thats why the brothers arent turning on Joran because one of them or both of them were in on it.  Which explains why the brothers are quiet they dont want to implicate each other.

or they were just told by Joran that "something bad happened" and he needed them to say the story about the guards.  When they were hauled in thats when they said they made the story up.  I think this is the most likely.  Joran hid the body and the father helped him get rid of it.

Not much is being said about this DJ so I really dont know what his involvement is.  He must have emailed or said something incriminating.  When you get rid of a body you dont call every tom dick and harry to help you but joran couldnt do it by himself.
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« Reply #627 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:26 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


I think he hid her in some brush until the father could come out and help get rid of it the next day.  They didnt start searching for a couple days after she went missing.  I think she was land bound on the first day but now shes in the water.
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« Reply #628 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:28 AM »

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Wasn't Natalee's passport, ID and money found in her room at the HI?



That's where the Ran away theory comes from.....


Um why would you run away and leave your clothes money etc.  And how could a girl who had run away stay hidden for so long on a small island like aruba, especially given that she doesn't know it very well.  And if she ran away then why did Joran et al lie?  Doesn't add up.


as not to cause suspicion that i ran away.
she had help from locals.
because he knew what she was planning.
and knew case would die down, as most missing persons do.


So let me get this straight, he meets her at a hotel casino that night.  ANd somewhere in this period he decides to help her runaway for whatever reason.  I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who would put their family through hell, who would sit in jail for 3 weeks being interogated 11 hrs a day, and risking his fathers reputation just to help a girl run away, especially not one he just met that day (or even two days ago).  

Also Natalee's face is extremely well known by now, if I was helping her hide and saw that 150000 reward she'd be on the first plane to aruba.


Helped her, not still helping her. Dad is in the system. Im so arrogant, I tell people my dads a judge, i throw my weight around, im 17 in a bar and casino. i know i can say i dropped her off and my friends will vouch.

But it is comprehensible that his Lawyer Father and He are pimping out American girls??? anything is possible....


Right, but obviously his dad's status isn't very important given his arrest.  If he knew that she ran away he would just go out and say it to end the pain he is causing his family.  

I still don't get why he would help her initially after knowing her for only a few hours, doesn't really make sense.


Yeah, they'd really believe him now...

may not make sense, thats why its a theory..keep putting holes in it, that helps me.


Your "theory" is full of holes, and that's why the "Judge" sits in jail.



And Bingo's theory is......


I have my theory, and it's not pretty as it invloves the "Judge", Joren, drugs.........

But, Natalee's family has the right person working for them, and this will SOON all come to light.


bingo...you very well may KNOW...my friend truly beieves that the Paulus VDS is: "up to his eyeballs" in this and I've much respect for that opinion.
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« Reply #629 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:03 AM »

Ya'll have fun. See you later. Got to go pick up my son from a gig. (He's NOT at a casino...he's 22 and wanted to drink a couple of beers tonight. Drinkee no drivee so I get to provide taxi service.    Might peek back in when I return. Try not to skewer each other too badly.  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #630 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:28 AM »

I don't know if any of you were involved in the "Finding Dru" case where a girl up in Minnesota disappeared. But, it is ringing a bell with me, because that perp was also said to have visited McDonalds after murdering her. In fact, they had him on a video at McDonalds and the timetable put that soon after her abduction.  

So, what is it with these sociopaths and McD's?

Got to fill up and get a bite to eat after you rape and murder someone?
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« Reply #631 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:33 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


He calls Daddy!


As the smart guy pointed out. Wouldnt the cell phone records have shown that early on? Rolling Eyes

Pssst...Ima girl Razz

The mishap happened at the appartment, in my estimation.


So they WALKED to his apartment?



Brothers took them to the apartment,,,not on the beach at all....
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« Reply #632 on: June 25, 2005, 02:18:10 AM »

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I would add that Deepaks emails do not support her running away either. You can not believe them and that she ran away.



 the dropping at HI part is the cover story...but other than that, he did not see her after the Marriot(supposedly).....nor did he ever talk to her like Joran did.

So, the e-mail neither debunks or supports my "hopeful" theory


If her condition in the email is an indication, she was in no condition to run away.


What email?  Are we now referring to the faux Depak email as a case reference?  Yikes, and double yikes.


Please stop saying faux....

** i know i know other thread   Embarassed

Oh WonderWoman...after this is all over, can't we just...share costumes?  I have a great wardrobe....trust me! Wink


Was this one of the posts you didn't ignore?
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« Reply #633 on: June 25, 2005, 02:19:01 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


He calls Daddy!


As the smart guy pointed out. Wouldnt the cell phone records have shown that early on? Rolling Eyes

Pssst...Ima girl Razz

The mishap happened at the appartment, in my estimation.


So they WALKED to his apartment?

No, Deepak and Satish dropped them off there, meaning that they've lied yet again.


You think Natalee would go to this guys apartment when she's gotta catch a plane the next day?
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« Reply #634 on: June 25, 2005, 02:19:31 AM »

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Who they blamed it on is immaterial, the fact that they felt the need to concoct an alibi implicated them.  Then on top of that they changed the story 3 times. Bottom line, innocent people dont concoct stories and one of the telltale signs of crimincal involvement is the changing of stories of the parties involved with the crime itself.


They (brothers) changed once, Joran changed to: I went home first, then OOPS they told the truth...okay it was me alone with Natalie at the beach.


let me correct you on the number of story changes.

We dropped her off at hotel inn and security guards walked up to her
changed to:
We dropped joran and her off at the marriott:
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I called Satish to pick me up and I left her at the marrott:
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Nope it was Deepak that picked me up at the marriott:
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I was with her at the beach alone.
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« Reply #635 on: June 25, 2005, 02:19:55 AM »

Aha! That Bingo makes a lot of sense.
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« Reply #636 on: June 25, 2005, 02:20:08 AM »

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2 thoughts I just had:

Could we be underestimating PVDS?  Wouldn't it be brilliant if he orchestrated a variety of timelines for for the 3 boys?  First the tell the HI drop off story...then the brothers and joran tell split stories.. then the marriot story....  

We must remember he is an expert on the Aruban legal system.. if anyone can beat the system he's the guy to do it...


this leads to the second thought:

by doing so all the police have is serious inconsistancy in stories... what they do not have is a body.  What if sharks devoured it? (very possible espically if she was bleeding)  Chances are it will never be found
.... so that leads to the brilliance of constantly changing alibis

..how can these people be tried and seriously be found guilty?  They cant.  It would be easier to find them guilty if they all stuck to one story and the prosecution was able to totally contradict it with evidence  (assuming no body is ever found)  ... I predict their stories will soon change once again

... too much confusion and a severe lack of concrete evidence (a body) to convict these people
... its almost the perfect crime

so they know through the father that
the 'most' jail time they will ever have to do is
110 days
as long as they don't say anything
so they'll just keep giving the investagators the run-around
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« Reply #637 on: June 25, 2005, 02:20:57 AM »

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>>Wanted you to know I second this: Gretta said tonight that she didn't hear VDS say anythin at all that she thought coud be incriminating, makes me wonder if they aren't just grasping at straws with the arrest

However, I responded to arubagirl last night about an "ex-polis commissioner" confirming this by phone to a FOX talking head. I heard the Aruban spokesman confirm it when asked TWICE tonight on FOX's "The Big Story" if Greta's interview (inconsistencies) brought PVDS into custody.

[edit]The answer was 'YES' both times.[/edit]


Gretta isnt privy to the police transcripts with Paulus. He probably told them something different than what he said on the interview. He should have listened to his own advice he gave Joran to keep quiet.


Spoken as a true inspector_general ...really
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« Reply #638 on: June 25, 2005, 02:21:43 AM »

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<snip> You think Natalee would go to this guys apartment when she's gotta catch a plane the next day?

Yes, if she was roofie'd or otherwise drugged or so drunk she didn't know any better (in order of likelihood).
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« Reply #639 on: June 25, 2005, 02:22:04 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot is a sociopath, he could walk away from a burning building with a gas can in his hand and convince everybody he had nothing to do with it.


Ok, so tell me then. He's on the beach alone with Natalee. No car. No shovel. How does he dispose of her body?


I think he hid her in some brush until the father could come out and help get rid of it the next day.  They didnt start searching for a couple days after she went missing.  I think she was land bound on the first day but now shes in the water.


So you can dispose of a body in Aruba in broad daylight with no witnesses. And no forensic evidence is left in your car? Rolling Eyes
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