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« Reply #780 on: June 25, 2005, 04:20:50 AM »

To quote the professor:

WRONG. I don't think there is ANYTHING in his behavior that he CAN'T control. I think he's in COMPLETE control, even now. Even in jail. I really believe that he thinks he can beat this rap. The only wild card was the posse. He wasn't counting on that.

He's either that, or living a Kafka novel experience; and, if that comment I heard today...(how can we know if it's true)...that JVDS's comment when he was told that his father was in jail after his arrest; JVDS said, "That doesn't surprise me."

Now that's a human being I have never known.
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« Reply #781 on: June 25, 2005, 04:20:59 AM »

absolut, where do you get the 9:30 SUnday night time. I don't remember ever seeing an actual time of being at casino.
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« Reply #782 on: June 25, 2005, 04:22:23 AM »

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I agree with you Razzy...the date rape drug seems illogical to me.  I wasn't certain about the dad...but, the timeline is tight and Joran couldn't do this alone.  I suspect he never told Depak and Satish the real story. I don't think his ego would allow that.  I'm hoping if that's the case those boys don't do jail time.  To me, they seem like great kids.  Could be wrong.


Without the date-rape drug, we have a straight Ted Bundy operation. Lure the girl away from the pack, use the Kalpoe brothers, the lack of a body, and the changing stories as plausible deniability, get her into a desolate spot, rape and murder her. Then let the legal system (which he knows very well) work its magic.


Thats far fetched.  She went willinging with these guys.  Implying ted bundy implies he stalked her as a victim, which I dont think he did. I think she went with him and he got mad or got too rough.  I do think hes a sociopath and I do think he thinks he can beat the system.


Lot's of girls WILLINGLY left with Ted Bundy. They just didn't know where they would end up, and they didn't know that they wouldn't come back.


We are kind of saying similar things on certain things, so I dont want to get into a disagreement regarding definitions.  I compared the Van Der Sloots to Ted bundy earlier and got my head bit off.  You feel his entire behavior could be in the same arena with Ted Bundy because of date rape, and I feel his demeanor was headed in that direction.  I think theres something in his emotions that he cant control. You think the date rape drug killed her, I think he did it physcially. It really was only a matter of time that this happen to someone if his prior uses of the date rape drug are true.


WRONG. I don't think there is ANYTHING in his behavior that he CAN'T control. I think he's in COMPLETE control, even now. Even in jail. I really believe that he thinks he can beat this rap. The only wild card was the posse. He wasn't counting on that.


Youre free to think what you want but Im not going to get in an argument with you.  Ted Bundy type sociopaths graduate to worse and worse behaviors and he hasnt shown anything to indicate he has a tendancy to take people against their will and kill them.  That is something that builds up over time.  They typically get worse as time goes along.  Hes definitely a sociopath in his behavior to so arrogantly try to snuff the system and also in his ability to just go to school the next day and take exams.   Theres nothing yet to indicate he stalked natalie.  The key word is yet.


Read my lips, Razzberry. I didn't say he stalked Natalee. I said he was looking for a victim of opportunity. Natalee was just the unlucky winner of the lottery.
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« Reply #783 on: June 25, 2005, 04:22:56 AM »

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The collective intelligence of the blogs is greatly exaggerated. What we get here are mostly are a lot of ^5's and LOL's and backslapping and planning for barbeques when this is all done. Mutual self-congratulation. I just hope that the FBI and the Aruban police force doesn't succumb to this herd mentality.


I kinda take offense to those statements about this forum. We have spent hours today working to prune and change the postings going into the Rumor and breaking news threads as well as creating new places for people to post and encouraging them to do so. Just the page count on the last 2 threads shows improvement in these 2 areas.
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« Reply #784 on: June 25, 2005, 04:23:43 AM »

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I agree with you Razzy...the date rape drug seems illogical to me.  I wasn't certain about the dad...but, the timeline is tight and Joran couldn't do this alone.  I suspect he never told Depak and Satish the real story. I don't think his ego would allow that.  I'm hoping if that's the case those boys don't do jail time.  To me, they seem like great kids.  Could be wrong.


Without the date-rape drug, we have a straight Ted Bundy operation. Lure the girl away from the pack, use the Kalpoe brothers, the lack of a body, and the changing stories as plausible deniability, get her into a desolate spot, rape and murder her. Then let the legal system (which he knows very well) work its magic.


Thats far fetched.  She went willinging with these guys.  Implying ted bundy implies he stalked her as a victim, which I dont think he did. I think she went with him and he got mad or got too rough.  I do think hes a sociopath and I do think he thinks he can beat the system.


Lot's of girls WILLINGLY left with Ted Bundy. They just didn't know where they would end up, and they didn't know that they wouldn't come back.


We are kind of saying similar things on certain things, so I dont want to get into a disagreement regarding definitions.  I compared the Van Der Sloots to Ted bundy earlier and got my head bit off.  You feel his entire behavior could be in the same arena with Ted Bundy because of date rape, and I feel his demeanor was headed in that direction.  I think theres something in his emotions that he cant control. You think the date rape drug killed her, I think he did it physcially. It really was only a matter of time that this happen to someone if his prior uses of the date rape drug are true.


WRONG. I don't think there is ANYTHING in his behavior that he CAN'T control. I think he's in COMPLETE control, even now. Even in jail. I really believe that he thinks he can beat this rap. The only wild card was the posse. He wasn't counting on that.


Youre free to think what you want but Im not going to get in an argument with you.  Ted Bundy type sociopaths graduate to worse and worse behaviors and he hasnt shown anything to indicate he has a tendancy to take people against their will and kill them.  That is something that builds up over time.  They typically get worse as time goes along.  Hes definitely a sociopath in his behavior to so arrogantly try to snuff the system and also in his ability to just go to school the next day and take exams.   Theres nothing yet to indicate he stalked natalie.  The key word is yet.


Read my lips, Razzberry. I didn't say he stalked Natalee. I said he was looking for a victim of opportunity. Natalee was just the unlucky winner of the lottery.


You dont know that and the evidence presented to us so far has even indicated that.
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« Reply #785 on: June 25, 2005, 04:24:04 AM »

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absolut, where do you get the 9:30 SUnday night time. I don't remember ever seeing an actual time of being at casino.


Two close friends on O Reilly who were clearing up the story. Not dash and Ed but 2 others.
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« Reply #786 on: June 25, 2005, 04:24:52 AM »

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The collective intelligence of the blogs is greatly exaggerated. What we get here are mostly are a lot of ^5's and LOL's and backslapping and planning for barbeques when this is all done. Mutual self-congratulation. I just hope that the FBI and the Aruban police force doesn't succumb to this herd mentality.


I kinda take offense to those statements about this forum. We have spent hours today working to prune and change the postings going into the Rumor and breaking news threads as well as creating new places for people to post and encouraging them to do so. Just the page count on the last 2 threads shows improvement in these 2 areas.


Its obviously only worthy of reading if the comments agree 100% to professors theory.
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« Reply #787 on: June 25, 2005, 04:25:39 AM »

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The collective intelligence of the blogs is greatly exaggerated. What we get here are mostly are a lot of ^5's and LOL's and backslapping and planning for barbeques when this is all done. Mutual self-congratulation. I just hope that the FBI and the Aruban police force doesn't succumb to this herd mentality.


hmmm. Self-revelation? Glad to have you as a member, Professor. Laughing  Wink  Laughing
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« Reply #788 on: June 25, 2005, 04:26:03 AM »

I went away from this site for a while and 2 things keep popping into my mind.
1. It seemed that J's purpose that evening was to go to that bar and pick up Natalee.  Her friend said he did not say much, he just followed her around. (per interview on Fox)

2. Both mothers said their sons had said ..."and Mom, when they find Natale I am gonna kick her ass for all this". Now under the circumstances....last thing a compassionate person would want to do was kick her ass, or even say so in jest.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong. Confused
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« Reply #789 on: June 25, 2005, 04:28:00 AM »

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1. It seemed that J's purpose that evening was to go to that bar and pick up Natalee. Her friend said he did not say much, he just followed her around. (per interview on Fox)


Casino?
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« Reply #790 on: June 25, 2005, 04:28:29 AM »

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absolut, where do you get the 9:30 SUnday night time. I don't remember ever seeing an actual time of being at casino.


Two close friends on O Reilly who were clearing up the story. Not dash and Ed but 2 others.


thanks. missed that. Maybe we can get another update on your timeline soon?
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« Reply #791 on: June 25, 2005, 04:28:53 AM »

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Whitney?

By my (blonde) math - 40 Minutes is how long it took you to walk it!!


...with a smile...next time will you please just PM me...?  shhh...I didn't tell you I have no idea where Joran lives...I think it's at 19 MON...but from the Marriott beach....I have no clue where to go!
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« Reply #792 on: June 25, 2005, 04:29:10 AM »

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I agree with you Razzy...the date rape drug seems illogical to me.  I wasn't certain about the dad...but, the timeline is tight and Joran couldn't do this alone.  I suspect he never told Depak and Satish the real story. I don't think his ego would allow that.  I'm hoping if that's the case those boys don't do jail time.  To me, they seem like great kids.  Could be wrong.


Without the date-rape drug, we have a straight Ted Bundy operation. Lure the girl away from the pack, use the Kalpoe brothers, the lack of a body, and the changing stories as plausible deniability, get her into a desolate spot, rape and murder her. Then let the legal system (which he knows very well) work its magic.


You don't have to have a Ted Bundy.  You could have something like a Robert Chambers.

Joran wanted to have sex with Natalee, Natalie said no and Joran didn't stop.  Joran may have killed her if she struggled, she may have yelled for help and he killed her, or he killed her to stop her from telling.

Joran is a very big young man, 6'5. Natalie was/is only 5'4.
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« Reply #793 on: June 25, 2005, 04:29:17 AM »

The most Kafka-esque novel that would correlate to this discussion is The Trial which deals with a man persecuted / put to death by agencies of an unfathomable court of law.

hmmmm  unfathomable.....

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« Reply #794 on: June 25, 2005, 04:30:03 AM »

no, C n C...the evening before she went missing
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« Reply #795 on: June 25, 2005, 04:30:18 AM »

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absolut, where do you get the 9:30 SUnday night time. I don't remember ever seeing an actual time of being at casino.


Two close friends on O Reilly who were clearing up the story. Not dash and Ed but 2 others.


thanks. missed that. Maybe we can get another update on your timeline soon?


My smartass answer at 430am is what timeline? We don't know anything and I would be a fool to document that we do.

The right answer is look for updates summarys and timelines from several posters later on this morning.
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« Reply #796 on: June 25, 2005, 04:30:28 AM »

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The collective intelligence of the blogs is greatly exaggerated. What we get here are mostly are a lot of ^5's and LOL's and backslapping and planning for barbeques when this is all done. Mutual self-congratulation. I just hope that the FBI and the Aruban police force doesn't succumb to this herd mentality.


I kinda take offense to those statements about this forum. We have spent hours today working to prune and change the postings going into the Rumor and breaking news threads as well as creating new places for people to post and encouraging them to do so. Just the page count on the last 2 threads shows improvement in these 2 areas.


Absolute, you are a budding journalist. I have visited your web page and was impressed at your compilation of news. You will have a great future in the news business. But, puuuleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't let the promises of a barbeque warp your mind. Unless you follow your own gut instincts, the BBQ that you attend may be your own.
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« Reply #797 on: June 25, 2005, 04:30:31 AM »

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I agree with you Razzy...the date rape drug seems illogical to me.  I wasn't certain about the dad...but, the timeline is tight and Joran couldn't do this alone.  I suspect he never told Depak and Satish the real story. I don't think his ego would allow that.  I'm hoping if that's the case those boys don't do jail time.  To me, they seem like great kids.  Could be wrong.


Without the date-rape drug, we have a straight Ted Bundy operation. Lure the girl away from the pack, use the Kalpoe brothers, the lack of a body, and the changing stories as plausible deniability, get her into a desolate spot, rape and murder her. Then let the legal system (which he knows very well) work its magic.


You don't have to have a Ted Bundy.  You could have something like a Robert Chambers.

Joran wanted to have sex with Natalee, Natalie said no and Joran didn't stop.  Joran may have killed her if she struggled, she may have yelled for help and he killed her, or he killed her to stop her from telling.

Joran is a very big young man, 6'5. Natalie was/is only 5'4.


You missed the part about professor saying that joran drove a yellow VW Bug.
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« Reply #798 on: June 25, 2005, 04:31:37 AM »

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We all saw the misinformation and eventual discounting of what started out as blood evidence.


I've been confused about this and probably missed a news report, though I remember reading about a bloody t-shirt and thought it might have been just speculation.  Was there a bloody t-shirt that actually was reported?  

I agree, Absolut, that how the search team and their findings are treated by LE is crucial.  But LE seems "open" to the help now.  So we can only hope...
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« Reply #799 on: June 25, 2005, 04:31:59 AM »

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no, C n C...they evening before she went missing


But they had met before that at some point all sources confirm that we just don't know the how or when exactly.
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