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« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2005, 10:37:02 PM »

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Jug is judging VDS' based on their lifestyle. Wonder what goes on in his home?


If  this ever goes to trial, they'll just play back all of Jughead's interviews, and there will be reasonable doubt as to whether NH ran away to get away from her abusive stepfather  Shocked
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« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2005, 10:37:10 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?
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« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2005, 10:37:18 PM »

Oh is that what you meant angie, ok if aruba has such helplines they problably also tape the phonecall yes, b/c that is the way it goes in the netherlands also and the lines are also connected with firedepartments, ambulances etc.
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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2005, 10:37:36 PM »

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Hey WW... got kids?


Oh yes, 3 boys  10,17,19


I'm impressed! You can still get in that costume. You go, Girl.


C'mon, now Paula!! You look good too girl..Lookin' all svelte in your little black dress... Wink
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« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2005, 10:38:09 PM »

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I guess it is so horrible not knowing where Natalee is and beginning to think she is dead that one might be judgemental. I do believe they believe Joran did what happened that made her missing.

Judgementalism is not the same as killng someone, wouldn't you agree.

If I were in their shoes, I might be judging them myself.



I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!
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« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2005, 10:38:16 PM »

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I cannot concentrate on the interview with Nat's aunt while that music is blasting in the background.  Laughing  Shocked


Last night it was the rooster in the interview with the brothers' mom.  Or was that the monkey? Wink

We need to install monkey emoticons.
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« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2005, 10:38:51 PM »

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Hey guys..Earlier I heard that Papa VDS was NOT cooperating with LE while being detained..Does anyone know where that came from and what is being said about it?


ask an aruban??? is there a hot-line for that???
Start one, FOM!  Find a partner from Aruba and you might really having something.


guess what...even he isn't talking!!! Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2005, 10:39:11 PM »

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One point of great interest to me is who Jovorkian left the beach with.  If he left with the elder Van der Sweatsalot and “something bad”, at least an act perpetrated or witnessed by Jovorkian, happened then it follows that his father is complicit or at least has knowledge.  If  he left with his father and he left her on the beach intact, as he apparently maintains, then obviously there is nothing for the father to be complicit in other than lying.  On the other hand, if either Deepdish or Saliva provided transportation from the beach then they either know what happened and/or are complicit in the coverup and or disposal.

Of course, we do not even know, with any certainty, that young Van der Slut was left on the beach with her in the first place.  We only have the statements of the boys themselves and second hand accounts thereof.  If Dipshit and Salacious did indeed drop them off at the beach in close proximity to the hotels it is unlikely that Jordache had any plan to engage in foul play and either he left her there passed out or whatever happened was accidental or perpetrated by a third party.  Based upon all the information that I have learned, I believe that they were indeed dropped off at the beach near the hotels.

I have also not heard any discussion, assuming that there was a disposal, regarding the logistics of this area and the feasibility of dragging a body to their vehicle without being seen or leaving tracks or some sort of evidence.

There is no evidence of any sort of drug use be it voluntary or otherwise.  The speculation regarding the drug overdose amazes me, particularly in light of the descriptions given of her condition upon leaving Crackhouse and Colmes.

I further gather, based on the fact that the local authorities are still mired down in trying to trip up these people in the details of the stories and that the elder Van der Hosen was arrested based on some trivial statement made to Gretsel Van Slurredspeach that they really don’t have much of a case.  As the talking heads are now saying, without a body and or a confession these guys will all walk.

Like most everyone else here I know very little about what actually happened.  I do know with certainty that the media is doing everyone a disservice in this case by disseminating false and misleading information, placing themselves in the middle of the story and engaging in massive speculation.  Greyhair Van My Mouth is Crooked should shut up and go home.  I also can’t help but think to myself that Aruba is somewhat less than my idea of a tropical paradise, at least from the images I am seeing, although it might be worth a trip just to score some X and then hang out at the garbage filled quarry behind Deepshit’s house.


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« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2005, 10:39:23 PM »

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I just want to go to Aruba, take a microphone and start bopping people on the head LMAO I woulnd't get mych airtime as the "agressive" reporter! lol First I would standup and yell.."Hey %^&*^%&#, I'm trying to do a dang interview..can you stop partying for a stinking minute? Thanks" Then throw up a peace sign jk  Laughing


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« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2005, 10:40:23 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


Hey I used to go out and be a hellion lol. Just my mom was so naive she always bought the story that the clock in my car must has stopped because even though I was 2 hours late for curfew.. it said the correct curfew time... ::wonders if my mom has figured out the internet and is reading this LMAO::::: Sorry mom... lol
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« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2005, 10:40:24 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?
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« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2005, 10:40:32 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.


Like a bad episode of Miami Vice. (Assuming that there were any good ones)

Lets just thank god they were not playing ...

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Beach-Boys/Kokomo.html
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« Reply #92 on: June 24, 2005, 10:41:33 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


Well JVDS and his mom did paint the mural. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.
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« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2005, 10:41:45 PM »

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Good God a mighty, you hear that?  Caribbean Queen in the background on Greta...



Having 80's flashbacks....


This is freakin' incredible - what a juxtaposition.  Partying and tragedy all together in one place.


Like a bad episode of Miami Vice. (Assuming that there were any good ones)

Lets just thank god they were not playing ...

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Beach-Boys/Kokomo.html




OMG>>THEY ARE PLAYING STAYIN"ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #94 on: June 24, 2005, 10:42:04 PM »

RED!!! that was truly evil - I didn't even need to listen to it to have that song begin nonstop repeat in my brain ...
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« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2005, 10:42:06 PM »

I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!




I didn't format it right! Sorry. If those parents were not "so close" to this investigation there would be no investigation. And the last persn known to be seen with a young woman who is missing, when that last person keeps lying and lying,,,well to suspect he did something does not require a great leap.

I don't understand your comment about Nat drinking till the wee hours. What does that mean? She isn't suspected of murdering anyone. She has never been in anger management. She isn't the criminal here.

You are mighty quick to blame the parents of this woman. The hell they are in seems to make me give them a wide berth. I would be screaming mad myself.
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« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2005, 10:42:14 PM »

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NH Aunt saying Joran is out of control cause of going to Casinos and snekaing out at night??  I dont really agree with that.. not sticking up for JVDS.. kids sneak out when they are teens...they sneak and do alot of crap... IMO   I was one once YEARS ago..lol  Wasnt the perfect poster child teenager. Hard to hear her talk with the loud music in the background..


Angie, did you here when Jug refered to Urine as C&C "poster child"?  He said his pichure was everwhere there.  Thats purty outa control for most b17yr olds dontcha thank?


He said that on FOX about 30 minutes or so ago.. I think others on here heard the same thing as I did!! Im sure it will be repeated again on tv!!
Im not sticking up for JVDS by all means.. Just mentioned that teens arnt perfect.....!!  If there is a perfect teen out there.. Id LOVE to meet them in person!!  But it was on Fox.. it was JUG who said it!
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« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2005, 10:42:46 PM »

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I am sorry, ....they do not know if these boys did anything, YET.

I think they have all been way too close to this investigation, and of course it is only obvious that they would blame the last person"known to be with her" but from eyewitness accounts, their daughter was also drinking and in Casino's...yes, till wee hours of the night!!!


WonderWoman I think you may be to close to this too.
Where did you get that email from?
You seem awfully defensive.
Also since when is drinking into the wee hours of the night a crime?


i think they put up a new thread for that didn't they????
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« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2005, 10:43:00 PM »

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was it ever determined who "Lorenzo" was?  I may have missed that posting.  The reason I ask is that I ran across a reference and a quote from a Captain Lorenzo who has a deep sea fishing boat.

Of course, I am sure there as many Lorenzo's with boats in Aruba as there are owl's in Wisconsin.
Please, give up the goods!  What web address?

All I've found are the references to a car rental company (under name van Rijn)

I keep scouring all the photo sites to see if I might recognize someone who could be Lorenzo, which is crazy because I have no idea what he might possibly look like.

Only know what I knew in the first place:  Lorenzo van Rijn (aka van Gijn) is rumored (stress on rumored) to be the illegitimate son of PDVS, born prior to his marriage to Anita.  One source mentioned they were close to each other.  I've also heard him described as crazy, into drugs, and fond of spraypainting his house.  His (step) father is rumored to have had problems with drugs and to have committed suicide several years ago.  

Why I feel like he's more connected than not, I really don't know, but I do.
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« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2005, 10:43:41 PM »

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Thanks every one for the kind words.

We are committed till we are committed to helping others. But we are nothing but a couple of blabbering fools without you the members of Scared Monkeys. Your view points, tips, comments, and personalities are what makes this site.

That, combined with the leadership provided by Cat, RB, and Absolut in these forums are making this site a  wonderful place.

So to all, thank you very much. We will work to earn you respect.

Tom and Red




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Who cares who came first as long as we go together!


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