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genebernat
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June 25, 2005, 02:49:27 AM »
I believe we now can safely say what happened the night Natalee disappeared. First, I believe it is apparent the Joran and Paulis have a gambling problem and have most likely worked the family into debt. I believe that money was either borrowed from a loan shark or Natalee was merely sold for money.
Joran and Paulis were gambling at the Holiday Inn on the night of the disappearance. Paulis left the casino at an unknown time Joran remained. On the night of her disappearance Natalee met Joran at the Holiday Inn casino and began to flirt with him. She asked if he would be at C&C later where they letter met again. According to Paulis; Joran called him from McDonald’s at 11pm to pick him up and take him home that is within walking distance of the hotel. Joran may or may not have gone to McDonald’s and may or may not have met his father there. However, I do not think Joran returned home at this point. He either walked or was given a ride by dad to C&C, where he met up with Natalee.
After, hanging out for a will Joran placed a call to the brothers to pick him up, which they did. I do not think that Natalee was drugged at this point, but it is possible. I think she may have wanted to spend a little more time with Joran and agreed to ride with the guys. Natalee and Joran were then dropped off near the Marriot. Maybe, not to have sex: last night there, close to the Holiday Inn and perhaps at the suggestion of Joran they take a walk on the beach the rest of the way. The brothers leave. One of two things happened next either he persuades Natalee to go with him and see his friend Steve on the Tattoo or forces her to go there. Once on the boat they transport her to sea and she is handed off to another boat or perhaps remained on Aruba although unlikely. Joran's father meets him and they head home. There debt has now been settled and the compensation was Natalee.
In the morning Joran calls the brothers tells them he needs for them to lie and they agree. Either out of fear the will be blamed, because of who Joran's father is or just that they were being stupid. Remember after their arrest it was only the matter of a few days before we learned that they changed their story and said the dropped Natalee and Joran off. I think the brothers have cracked, but all they know is that they were covering for Joran, but not what happened after they left.
If I am wrong ask the following:
Why did Joran call his dad to go home just to sneak right back out?
How to Joran get from home to C&C?
How did Joran get from the beach back to his house?
What happened to Natalee?
Where does Steve fit in?
Why is there no evidence?
Why have the brothers not cracked?
What really did happen?
Natalee is ALIVE and we must get her NOW!
Eugene Bernat
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absolut
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If I am wrong ask the following:
Why did Joran call his dad to go home just to sneak right back out?
How to Joran get from home to C&C?
How did Joran get from the beach back to his house?
What happened to Natalee?
Where does Steve fit in?
Why is there no evidence?
Why have the brothers not cracked?
What really did happen?
1.I am pretty sure his dad had been calling him, his dad arrived back from holland at 5pm, Joran was not home. At 8pm Joran was in a poker tourney and at 9:30 he was playing blackjack.
2.Depak
3. In my theory Dad.
4. Accidental death or JVDS killed her.
5. Steve confirmed the bogus drop off at HI story
6. Natalee and the evidence are either out at sea or way inland.
7. The only know up to the point that they dropped of JVDS and Natalee at Marriott Beach.
8. I think my answers cover everything cept him calling dad again but this time in a panic at 3am. She is dead or something to that effect and needing papa's help.
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June 25, 2005, 06:26:09 AM »
There really is no geographical timeline after 3 boys and Natalee left C&Cs.
Natalee was procured by Joran for his father; Joran was to 'pimp' Paulus' ride
like West Coast Customs = kidnapping + premed. murder.
You can't fool Mother Nature: Beth sixth-sensed through the ether that Paulus
was bad to the bone.
Natalee, love you, you are a lamb.
Big wheels keep on turning
Carry me home to see my kin
Singing songs about the Southland
I miss Alabamy once again
And I think its a sin, yes
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June 25, 2005, 05:42:11 PM »
Absolut-ly!
well put, A.
however, as I recently posted on a different thread:
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the father may be even more closely involved (than a simple after the fact cover or disposal person)...
the thing that i keep coming back to is one of the comments joran made..."what do you want ME to do about it?"
my guess is that she was probably there for hours...perhaps even the following day...which would require repeated druggings...and the father had more than ample time 'to be alone with her' as well by himself with joran at school the next day...which is when 'something went wrong'...which joran discovered later ...
perhaps the father even told him 'i dropped her off at the HI'...which joran realized later was a lie...
when he said "what do you want ME to do about it?" i think he was sincerely at a loss...
as for the brothers, they may or may not be involved (aside from helping cover the trail), it would be possible that they did drop joran & Natalee off at the beach by the marriott at which point joran would have called his dad to come pick him up once the drugs had fully kicked in (which would point to something other than GHB)
the really heartbreaking thing is she may have also still been there (in one form or another) close too or even past when the Twittys arrived...
I hope I'm wrong...
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