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« on: June 25, 2005, 08:40:00 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2005, 08:54:06 AM »

Where is everybody? I'm so 'refreshed' but no one here to notice!
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2005, 08:55:53 AM »

Having lived through the Hargon case here, we kept hope alive that it was almost impossible that someone could do away with an entire family and that they were just out of town or whatever, because the clues at first were so few and far between.We have to keep hope alive now that Nat will be home soon one way or another.
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2005, 08:56:35 AM »

so dear ole dads in the pokey, too.  Why?

Apparently his story and the evidence they have to this point do not match up.

That's probably all we can conclude.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2005, 08:57:36 AM »

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Im actually more greatful now to be an american then before. Someone last night said on cnn if it happened here they wouldnt be in jail. There has to be probable cause, and they implied there was simply suspicion (atleast thats what aruban govt is saying). Im not saying they are innocent. Im just saying that I prferably would like to see someone held on something more then pure suspicion. That leaves alot of room for false arrest (again not saying in this case but in general look at the security guards for instance). As a citizen in our country I am GLAD they dont just get to go and arrest someone on pure suspicion. JMO

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Got to agree with you on this.....it's scary to think you can be arrested for pure suspicion. I do like the American system a lot better. But I also think the American system would have used more tactics than the Arubian system does......like a polygraph?? A polygraph might not be useable in court, but it does help investigators weed out the wrong leads from good leads.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 08:58:17 AM »

Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 09:03:27 AM »

short???
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 09:03:42 AM »

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Im actually more greatful now to be an american then before. Someone last night said on cnn if it happened here they wouldnt be in jail. There has to be probable cause, and they implied there was simply suspicion (atleast thats what aruban govt is saying). Im not saying they are innocent. Im just saying that I prferably would like to see someone held on something more then pure suspicion. That leaves alot of room for false arrest (again not saying in this case but in general look at the security guards for instance). As a citizen in our country I am GLAD they dont just get to go and arrest someone on pure suspicion. JMO

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Got to agree with you on this.....it's scary to think you can be arrested for pure suspicion. I do like the American system a lot better. But I also think the American system would have used more tactics than the Arubian system does......like a polygraph?? A polygraph might not be useable in court, but it does help investigators weed out the wrong leads from good leads.


Yep here they would have polygraphed everyone they suspected. Granted our system is flawed, but there isnt a full proof 100% guaranteed system anywhere in the world. I just enjoy my rights is all. It is nice to know that police arent going to come to my house at 6am and arrest me because someone said they saw me do something, or bc I happened to be somewhere with someone. All in all we dont know whats happening in this case. We just know they are holding people under suspicion. I certainly hope they have more evidence, but honestly we dont know.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 09:04:49 AM »

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Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX


I didnt watch greta last night. Wish i could help. My husband had a monopoly on the playstation2 in our room. How dare he right? lol.
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 09:05:04 AM »

Well - important point or 2 - anything stand out?
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2005, 09:05:36 AM »

My belief is that they have SOME evidence and what they are hearing from the 5 contradicts this evidence, HENCE:  Suspiscion
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2005, 09:07:28 AM »

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Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX


I didnt watch greta last night. Wish i could help. My husband had a monoploy on the playstation2 in our room. How dare he right? lol.


One has to get their priorities straight!
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2005, 09:09:30 AM »

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Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX


I didnt watch greta last night. Wish i could help. My husband had a monoploy on the playstation2 in our room. How dare he right? lol.


One has to get their priorities straight!

Yep and the whole time hes asking "So whats new with the case?". I told him well if I could watch the news I wouldnt have to read about it sheesh. Seriously though I guess we cant all be glued 24/7 to the news and this site. In fact I am going to have to pry myself away sometime soon and get my daughter a present. Her bday is monday  Laughing
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2005, 09:09:55 AM »

Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2005, 09:10:27 AM »

For a breather....try this FOX article by Greta Van Susteren about a monkey near the parents home:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html

I thought it was a hoot when a neighbor accused a FOX staff member of wiring the monkey so that FOX could pick up converstations at the parents. ROTFLOL
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2005, 09:13:22 AM »

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For a breather....try this FOX article by Greta Van Susteren about a monkey near the parents home:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html

I thought it was a hoot when a neighbor accused a FOX staff member of wiring the monkey so that FOX could pick up converstations at the parents. ROTFLOL


Yeah that was pretty funny.Paranoia at it's best!
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2005, 09:13:26 AM »

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Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.


Thats a very touching story, but Joran killed natalie, lied to authorities 3times and asked his friends to help substantiate a false alibi.  Try again.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2005, 09:13:48 AM »

From a cable news insider blog:

Thursday Ratings: In Aruba, Greta Has Her Highest-Rated Show Of 2005
Greta Van Susteren's ratings continue to rise: On Thursday she averaged 2,803,000 viewers, making it her highest rated show of 2005.

FNC's primetime more than triple CNN again last night, averaging 2,696,000 viewers, which ranks as FNC's second highest rated primetime of 2005. (The #1 night was the State of the Union.)

10pm: Greta: 2,803,000 / NewsNight: 535,000 / Scarborough: 280,000 / Grace repeat: 327,000 / Deutsch: 97,000 (scratch
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2005, 09:14:09 AM »

I've been lurking for days but time to speak my mind.  First, I'm growing to like the Dutch justice system.  In fact, I think we should retry OJ and MJ over there.  The second thought is much darker.  Could this possibly have been a snuff movie project?  I read where Joran supposedy was selling porn movies of a gangbang.  Thought it strange both moms in Greta's interviews said police took CD's.  Remember hearing years ago that the underground snuff movies were growing and big bucks.  Just a terrible thought. Sad
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2005, 09:15:31 AM »

To me only the strongest of fears would keep people silent if they are silent.  So they are guilty and fear the punishment, or they know that whoever has her or whoever harmed her deals out results that are worse that prison--perhaps even involving threats to the families.  Going public as families may even be part of the requirement in second case--to ensure that the bad guys know that the families are not going to divulge the information either.

But the first explanation is the simple one--and therefor probably the truth.
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