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« Reply #140 on: June 25, 2005, 10:11:43 AM »

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I don't know about that, Dublin.  Plenty of women have a fashion sense issue Smile  Doesn't make them dysfunctional, it makes them perhaps a tad naive.

Also, I have to mention that the word dysfunction applied to this family may not, IMO, be correct used in a context we're familiar with.  I've seen rampant the posts condemning the VSD father and son for gambling, for example, but going to the casino is something that may be accepted as the norm there, isn't it?


If you read the quotes from the news where Joran blamed his mother for all this since she was in Holland, and he wouldn't have gone to the club if she'd been home, then you'll see what I mean by dysfunctional.

If you read the profiler's description of the type of person who'd have committed this murder, and then look at the family, you may see some similarities and perhaps look at the family's dysfunction as a source of the problem.

Do you have a link to the story? I thought she blamed herself for not being there i didnt know he blamed her? I must have heard wrong.
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« Reply #141 on: June 25, 2005, 10:12:31 AM »

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accidentally suffocated someone?

oh.. so maybe like he was so huge that the weight of his body crushed her when he passed out on top of her?  Smile


I can't picture any reasonable way you "accidentally" suffocate someone.

He may have "accidentally" overdosed her with slipping a date rape drug into her cocktail.  But, is it then really an accident? What was the intent of using the date rape drug, but "rape" either at his own "hand" or someone elses...


Another lurker stepping out.....I doubt Natalee would have to be drugged..Yoran had been hanging around with her and her friends and she probably trusted him as a lot of people would have.
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« Reply #142 on: June 25, 2005, 10:12:49 AM »

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Dublin, you're pointing a "respect" issue between son and mother correct?


Yes. There seems to be something wrong with his relationships with women, and I can only surmise that it has to originate at home.
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« Reply #143 on: June 25, 2005, 10:13:02 AM »

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On the bra thing, it just happens with some fabrics and lights.  Remember that one of the daughters of Kerry had a revealing photo that was making the rounds.  Pretty much the same thing--I am sure she did not even know it would photograph that way until the picture hit the press.

Most women don't take a picture before we wear something.


The interesting thing though is that Joran or someone put that picture out in public.  Has to be a way to make fun of his mom.


puleeze! do you know where the picture came from?  i do, and joran did not post it.
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« Reply #144 on: June 25, 2005, 10:14:04 AM »

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But, they don't make and sell gang rape videos do they?


absolutely they do, google the Haidl case in CA for one. They didn't even sell the video, they just passed it around buddies for fun----until someone forgot and left it in a VCR in a hotel room to be found by a stranger who then reported it.
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« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2005, 10:14:18 AM »

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I don't know about that, Dublin.  Plenty of women have a fashion sense issue Smile  Doesn't make them dysfunctional, it makes them perhaps a tad naive.

Also, I have to mention that the word dysfunction applied to this family may not, IMO, be correct used in a context we're familiar with.  I've seen rampant the posts condemning the VSD father and son for gambling, for example, but going to the casino is something that may be accepted as the norm there, isn't it?


If you read the quotes from the news where Joran blamed his mother for all this since she was in Holland, and he wouldn't have gone to the club if she'd been home, then you'll see what I mean by dysfunctional.

If you read the profiler's description of the type of person who'd have committed this murder, and then look at the family, you may see some similarities and perhaps look at the family's dysfunction as a source of the problem.

Do you have a link to the story? I thought she blamed herself for not being there i didnt know he blamed her? I must have heard wrong.


Its the greta interview with his mother, right after her husband walked inside to answer the phone she told that part of the story.
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« Reply #146 on: June 25, 2005, 10:14:44 AM »

Dublin, I can sort of see that.  And as I think someone else just posted, I'm not sure if Joran put a guilt trip on Momma, or if she put a guilt trip on herself. Can someone check the Fox transcripts and see if it's clear one why or the other?
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« Reply #147 on: June 25, 2005, 10:14:50 AM »

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On the bra thing, it just happens with some fabrics and lights.  Remember that one of the daughters of Kerry had a revealing photo that was making the rounds.  Pretty much the same thing--I am sure she did not even know it would photograph that way until the picture hit the press.

Most women don't take a picture before we wear something.


The interesting thing though is that Joran or someone put that picture out in public.  Has to be a way to make fun of his mom.



I wish people would stop making such a big deal out of this picture.  I think it's tasteless to keep posting this picture.  This woman obviously did not know how sheer this blouse was or she would have worn different undergarments.  I'm sure she would be horrified if she knew this picture was making its rounds on the internet.  I can't understand why, if she knows about this picture, it was not destroyed.  That's what I would do, or at the very least cut the picture in half.  And if it's digital I'd delete the whole thing.

Please give this a break.
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« Reply #148 on: June 25, 2005, 10:15:07 AM »

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accidentally suffocated someone?

oh.. so maybe like he was so huge that the weight of his body crushed her when he passed out on top of her?  Smile


I can't picture any reasonable way you "accidentally" suffocate someone.

He may have "accidentally" overdosed her with slipping a date rape drug into her cocktail.  But, is it then really an accident? What was the intent of using the date rape drug, but "rape" either at his own "hand" or someone elses...


Another lurker stepping out.....I doubt Natalee would have to be drugged..Yoran had been hanging around with her and her friends and she probably trusted him as a lot of people would have.


Amen - she went willingly.
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« Reply #149 on: June 25, 2005, 10:15:10 AM »

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puleeze! do you know where the picture came from?  i do, and joran did not post it.


That's what I was thinking, the picture surfaced awhile after this all started, and if I remember correctly it was more of a HAHA thing than just showing a family picture.
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« Reply #150 on: June 25, 2005, 10:15:34 AM »

HEar Hear I agree 100 procent , with the facts we have at our dispossal , one cannot acuse joran of murdering anyone ,

quote="iquitos"]Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.[/quote]
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« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2005, 10:15:45 AM »

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I don't know about that, Dublin.  Plenty of women have a fashion sense issue Smile  Doesn't make them dysfunctional, it makes them perhaps a tad naive.

Also, I have to mention that the word dysfunction applied to this family may not, IMO, be correct used in a context we're familiar with.  I've seen rampant the posts condemning the VSD father and son for gambling, for example, but going to the casino is something that may be accepted as the norm there, isn't it?


If you read the quotes from the news where Joran blamed his mother for all this since she was in Holland, and he wouldn't have gone to the club if she'd been home, then you'll see what I mean by dysfunctional.

If you read the profiler's description of the type of person who'd have committed this murder, and then look at the family, you may see some similarities and perhaps look at the family's dysfunction as a source of the problem.

Do you have a link to the story? I thought she blamed herself for not being there i didnt know he blamed her? I must have heard wrong.


Its the greta interview with his mother, right after her husband walked inside to answer the phone she told that part of the story.


aww ok. I saw the report must have misunderstood. For some reason I took it as she was saying it wouldnt have happened if she had been there. Which I sorta found smug, but if he said it then that is different.
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« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2005, 10:17:11 AM »

is everyone forgetting about the mcdonald's thing way earlier...it's not open at 3am on the island.
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« Reply #153 on: June 25, 2005, 10:17:45 AM »

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I don't know about that, Dublin.  Plenty of women have a fashion sense issue Smile  Doesn't make them dysfunctional, it makes them perhaps a tad naive.

Also, I have to mention that the word dysfunction applied to this family may not, IMO, be correct used in a context we're familiar with.  I've seen rampant the posts condemning the VSD father and son for gambling, for example, but going to the casino is something that may be accepted as the norm there, isn't it?


If you read the quotes from the news where Joran blamed his mother for all this since she was in Holland, and he wouldn't have gone to the club if she'd been home, then you'll see what I mean by dysfunctional.

If you read the profiler's description of the type of person who'd have committed this murder, and then look at the family, you may see some similarities and perhaps look at the family's dysfunction as a source of the problem.

Do you have a link to the story? I thought she blamed herself for not being there i didnt know he blamed her? I must have heard wrong.


Its the greta interview with his mother, right after her husband walked inside to answer the phone she told that part of the story.


aww ok. I saw the report must have misunderstood. For some reason I took it as she was saying it wouldnt have happened if she had been there. Which I sorta found smug, but if he said it then that is different.


mrs VDS said "i asked my son why was he out so late on a school night" and she said my son said ' you know mom.. I would never have even thoguht about going out if you had been home that night"
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« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2005, 10:17:49 AM »

Well, I found it here:

http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/

There are several there that seem to be from Sasha's 15th birthday party.  Like this one:
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/4583/sashas15thbdaypartypart20030ai.jpg
http://img224.echo.cx/img224/4583/sashas15thbdaypartypart20030ai.jpghttp://img76.echo.cx/img76/6931/x1pnprgmi5o51c53k3wlvbv9jlr2ij.jpg

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« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2005, 10:18:01 AM »

THank you jessica !!!

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On the bra thing, it just happens with some fabrics and lights.  Remember that one of the daughters of Kerry had a revealing photo that was making the rounds.  Pretty much the same thing--I am sure she did not even know it would photograph that way until the picture hit the press.

Most women don't take a picture before we wear something.


The interesting thing though is that Joran or someone put that picture out in public.  Has to be a way to make fun of his mom.



I wish people would stop making such a big deal out of this picture.  I think it's tasteless to keep posting this picture.  This woman obviously did not know how sheer this blouse was or she would have worn different undergarments.  I'm sure she would be horrified if she knew this picture was making its rounds on the internet.  I can't understand why, if she knows about this picture, it was not destroyed.  That's what I would do, or at the very least cut the picture in half.  And if it's digital I'd delete the whole thing.

Please give this a break.
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« Reply #156 on: June 25, 2005, 10:18:38 AM »

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is everyone forgetting about the mcdonald's thing way earlier...it's not open at 3am on the island.


Actually no we're not.  There's apparently some speculation that perhaps a video camera at MickyD's may have caught someone in the parking lot.  That's speculation which came up here last night, and seems plausible.
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« Reply #157 on: June 25, 2005, 10:19:13 AM »

all you amateur psycholgists out there.  if everyone who has mom and dad issues out there were driven to murder we would have a lot of dead people on our hands.  please, if you do not know of what you speak quit demonizing and personalizing.  we diss the mother's dress because we suspect the son?  what kind of sixth grade (if that) game is this?
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« Reply #158 on: June 25, 2005, 10:19:25 AM »

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I wonder what the average education level is of the people who visit this blog


In my case a 4 yr degree plus some grad school. I see no reason to insult anyone, if that was your insinuation. If not I will apologize.


A Bachelor's and working on another degree at this time. I don't think that posting at this message board has any bearing on the intelligence of this group. Basically Natalee has touched hearts and most of us want to know what happened to her and understand how something like this could happen....not to mention.....see her home so her family can get their lives back together or grieve if the worst is true.
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« Reply #159 on: June 25, 2005, 10:19:28 AM »

THank you jessica !!!

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On the bra thing, it just happens with some fabrics and lights.  Remember that one of the daughters of Kerry had a revealing photo that was making the rounds.  Pretty much the same thing--I am sure she did not even know it would photograph that way until the picture hit the press.

Most women don't take a picture before we wear something.


The interesting thing though is that Joran or someone put that picture out in public.  Has to be a way to make fun of his mom.



I wish people would stop making such a big deal out of this picture.  I think it's tasteless to keep posting this picture.  This woman obviously did not know how sheer this blouse was or she would have worn different undergarments.  I'm sure she would be horrified if she knew this picture was making its rounds on the internet.  I can't understand why, if she knows about this picture, it was not destroyed.  That's what I would do, or at the very least cut the picture in half.  And if it's digital I'd delete the whole thing.

Please give this a break.
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