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« Reply #160 on: June 25, 2005, 10:20:14 AM »

ah, out in the parking lot. okie dokie.
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« Reply #161 on: June 25, 2005, 10:20:41 AM »

Dublin - since we'll be pretty busy traffic wise later in the day, do you mind editing the pics out of the body of your post and linking them instead?  It'll help us in the traffic/volume area...
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« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2005, 10:21:22 AM »

Something still bothers me,,,,there are so many "hotel rooms" ...I wonder if all the hotels have been checked...

I know for a fact that some hotel employees are not honest and can be up to no good...There are plenty of places to hide someone in a large resort hotel.  Any ideas?

Mrs VDS's pic has been all over TV  only it was cropped...
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« Reply #163 on: June 25, 2005, 10:21:29 AM »

Yes Dublin very suspicious foto indeed , might that be the missing clue we are all looking for.

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« Reply #164 on: June 25, 2005, 10:21:29 AM »

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Well, I found it here:

DUBLIN, PROUD COLLEGE TOOK IT FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE.  THIS WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED HERE A WHILE AGO.  IT IS FROM A BIRTHDAY PARTY.
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« Reply #165 on: June 25, 2005, 10:21:34 AM »

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Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.


The simplest and most straightforward explanation is that Joran gave Natalee a date-rape drug, took her to a beach and had sex with her, where he either murdered her or she OD'd. You may not WANT to believe it, and there may be other POSSIBLE explanations for Natalee's disappearance, but that is still the most believable scenario.
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« Reply #166 on: June 25, 2005, 10:22:05 AM »

MominTN, why precisely do you think that a Dutch judge would set PvdS free? Because he also used to be a substitute judge? Because they're both from the Netherlands? I'm not trying to confrontational, I'm just wondering. Because I don't think that a (former) U.S. judge would always be helped by another U.S. judge if he did a criminal act.

According to the newspapers, PvdS is not talking at all, all five suspects have to be in court today, like inquitos said.

I can also now tell you that it's 5km from Fisherman's Huts to Montanja, and JvdS could not cut through because of the swamp. He would be risking breaking his neck in the dark without a flashlight.

C&C is still going strong, I know that I believe that they are not to blame, but still, it's a bit freaky, like nohting happened.

When I dropped my friend home yesterday night the mondi (shrubs) in front of her house was on fire due to the fires that were all over the island yesterday because of Saint John's Day. Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. They were able to put it out, but it's a good thing that we came home when we did.
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« Reply #167 on: June 25, 2005, 10:25:00 AM »

The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.
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« Reply #168 on: June 25, 2005, 10:25:14 AM »

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Dublin, you're pointing a "respect" issue between son and mother correct?


Yes. There seems to be something wrong with his relationships with women, and I can only surmise that it has to originate at home.


Perhaps it begins at home.  But I have known many Christian devoted good parents who had a child get into trouble.  Sometimes, they are doing things because of their peers or because of the influence of other things like from tv or movies.  Sometimes they start with a little rebellion by drinking or sex, and then they just go down hill doing worse things until they are really in trouble.  Drinking and drugs remove inhibitions and lead to bad judgement.  Porno movies plant bad ideas into people's brains.  The parents often want to believe the best about their kids.  So the kids can use this to their advantage and hide their immoral or illegal behavior.  All a parent can do is watch them as much as possible and restrict them from places where illegal activities take place.  However when a society makes prostitution legal, then what does this tell teenage boys about the value of sex or women?  Society is also responsible!
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« Reply #169 on: June 25, 2005, 10:25:37 AM »

Well i do not believe in this scenario at all . Why is it the most believable scenario. Question why do you conclude date rap drug , why do you conclude drugs , why do you conclude sex , and why do you conclude sex on the beach which is a public place ?

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Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.


The simplest and most straightforward explanation is that Joran gave Natalee a date-rape drug, took her to a beach and had sex with her, where he either murdered her or she OD'd. You may not WANT to believe it, and there may be other POSSIBLE explanations for Natalee's disappearance, but that is still the most believable scenario.
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« Reply #170 on: June 25, 2005, 10:26:29 AM »

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is everyone forgetting about the mcdonald's thing way earlier...it's not open at 3am on the island.


The parking lot is open.
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« Reply #171 on: June 25, 2005, 10:26:44 AM »

I don't necessarily think it is dissing the mom. It may be looking for root causes for a defect in the son.  

Honestly, her son is charged with a pretty heinous act, and not only her son but her husband as well.  

I feel bad for her, but I also think that if she thinks this was just something that occurred out of the blue then she is in denial.  


If her husband and son have been out frequently clubs together every time she goes away, then who stays home and watches the younger kids at home?  If husband and eldest son are out at casinos, gambling and womanizing together then don't you think it is their disrespect for her that should be questioned?
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« Reply #172 on: June 25, 2005, 10:27:12 AM »

Curiosity, thanks.  It doesn't steal the forum's bandwidth so much that it counts as a "connection" - and each connection starts to pile up when we get busy.  That's why some of the CGI errors during peak periods occur.
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« Reply #173 on: June 25, 2005, 10:27:39 AM »

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The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.


No, the picture of Mrs. vdS originally came from one of Joran's website, either the MSN Spaces or the Tickle site.
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« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »

Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did? Am I missing something? Parent's did not put a stop to that? I know chaperones would put a stop to that at most proms! You are judged by your behavior right or wrong, I see why people don't have a problem bashing Joran
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« Reply #175 on: June 25, 2005, 10:28:39 AM »

Can somebody please, please, please tell me which McDonald's everyone is talking about.

And I was wrong, there is a third McDonald's on the island. It's in Santa Cruz, almost dead center. Shame on me Embarassed
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« Reply #176 on: June 25, 2005, 10:29:19 AM »

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is everyone forgetting about the mcdonald's thing way earlier...it's not open at 3am on the island.


Actually no we're not.  There's apparently some speculation that perhaps a video camera at MickyD's may have caught someone in the parking lot.  That's speculation which came up here last night, and seems plausible.


 i recall there was a post from another site saying some mountain brook kids had seen mr van der sloot at mcdonalds 3 am on the morning Natalee went missing.  Poster's last name was Twitty.  we have an aruban source who says there are two mcdonald's and they both close at 1 am.  monkey brain power has long since discarded this one as rumor.  any mountain brookers on here know better?  p.s. anybody seen the latest people magazine?  poor natalee is people now.
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« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2005, 10:29:24 AM »

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puleeze! do you know where the picture came from?  i do, and joran did not post it.


That's what I was thinking, the picture surfaced awhile after this all started, and if I remember correctly it was more of a HAHA thing than just showing a family picture.


This picture was taken at a fifteen year old girl's birthday party.  It was posted on someone's personal website or tickle site.  It's from the same set of picyures that show Joran "dirty dancing" with a young woman.
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« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2005, 10:29:27 AM »

Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did?

It happens all the time. Even at proms. Chaperones and parents can't be everywhere...
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« Reply #179 on: June 25, 2005, 10:29:34 AM »

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Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did? Am I missing something? Parent's did not put a stop to that? I know chaperones would put a stop to that at most proms! You are judged by your behavior right or wrong, I see why people don't have a problem bashing Joran


Actually I've seen that kind of dancing at a Bat Mitzvah in 7th grade...it happens...and it doesn't mean the kids are bad. It's just another teenager thing...I think the only thing we really have to judge him on right now is his lying. The other things seem really typical to me.
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