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« Reply #180 on: June 25, 2005, 10:30:07 AM »

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The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.


No, the picture of Mrs. vdS originally came from one of Joran's website, either the MSN Spaces or the Tickle site.
Actaully it did from from the pancayente site. Sasha's 15 day.
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« Reply #181 on: June 25, 2005, 10:30:51 AM »

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The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.


No, the picture of Mrs. vdS originally came from one of Joran's website, either the MSN Spaces or the Tickle site.
Actaully it did from from the pancayente site. Sasha's 15 day.


Poor Sasha.
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« Reply #182 on: June 25, 2005, 10:31:05 AM »

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cover her mouth to keep her from screaming.


I think you'd have to cover the nose and mouth, and for several minutes, and beyond the point at which she lost consciousness.  It takes 4 minutes with a lack of oxygen to die. So, if that scenario were true, he had to have gone way beyond trying to keep her from screaming.


I also think the image of the mother is very revealing. I just can't picture the mother of an 18 year old going to any party dressed in such a revealing top with a white bra showing through it.  There are slips, camisoles etc., and she is the wife of a judge. I do think it may reveal something about the dysfunction within the family and could lead to some speculation about the son's emotional disturbance.
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 HOLY COW..... just because this poor woman is lacking fashion sense does not indicate family dysfunction.......
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« Reply #183 on: June 25, 2005, 10:31:06 AM »

Yes Dublin you are sooooo right father goes to casino son goes to casino mom stays at home Joran did it , yes her son has been charged already for a pretty heinous act, yes Dublin she is in denial wow this is very good.
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I don't necessarily think it is dissing the mom. It may be looking for root causes for a defect in the son.  

Honestly, her son is charged with a pretty heinous act, and not only her son but her husband as well.  

I feel bad for her, but I also think that if she thinks this was just something that occurred out of the blue then she is in denial.  


If her husband and son have been out frequently clubs together every time she goes away, then who stays home and watches the younger kids at home?  If husband and eldest son are out at casinos, gambling and womanizing together then don't you think it is their disrespect for her that should be questioned?
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« Reply #184 on: June 25, 2005, 10:31:44 AM »

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Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did? Am I missing something? Parent's did not put a stop to that? I know chaperones would put a stop to that at most proms! You are judged by your behavior right or wrong, I see why people don't have a problem bashing Joran
 

you have to understand the cultural context to understand the picture.  if you don't, please refain from comment.  otherwise you betray your ignorance.
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« Reply #185 on: June 25, 2005, 10:32:03 AM »

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Can somebody please, please, please tell me which McDonald's everyone is talking about.

And I was wrong, there is a third McDonald's on the island. It's in Santa Cruz, almost dead center. Shame on me Embarassed


Last night Greta did a walk through of the significant places .... one place was the McDonald's where PVDS picked Joran up at 11 supposedly.  She said this is 4 blocks from the HI.  Hope that helps.

BTW, glad to see you here .... and thank you for all your input in this case.  I don't post a lot, but I find your posts very informative and interesting.
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« Reply #186 on: June 25, 2005, 10:32:09 AM »

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The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.


No, the picture of Mrs. vdS originally came from one of Joran's website, either the MSN Spaces or the Tickle site.


Here is the link to the entire party page. Notice that the picture in question is part of the group about eight rows down. Origjnally it was linkable from an online magazine.

http://album.pancayente.com/thumbnails.php?album=19


Edit....to look at all of the pictures, it appears this must have been a large event and why it made a local publication. It also appears that quite a few of Joran's pix that are posted on other sites on on this page.
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« Reply #187 on: June 25, 2005, 10:33:04 AM »

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cover her mouth to keep her from screaming.


I think you'd have to cover the nose and mouth, and for several minutes, and beyond the point at which she lost consciousness.  It takes 4 minutes with a lack of oxygen to die. So, if that scenario were true, he had to have gone way beyond trying to keep her from screaming.


I also think the image of the mother is very revealing. I just can't picture the mother of an 18 year old going to any party dressed in such a revealing top with a white bra showing through it.  There are slips, camisoles etc., and she is the wife of a judge. I do think it may reveal something about the dysfunction within the family and could lead to some speculation about the son's emotional disturbance.


 HOLY COW..... just because this poor woman is lacking fashion sense does not indicate family dysfunction.......[/quote]  like i say, if all family dysfunction led to murder we would need more cemeteries.
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« Reply #188 on: June 25, 2005, 10:33:11 AM »

The parking lot is fairly visibile from the main road. But the drive through area / dumpster isn't.
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« Reply #189 on: June 25, 2005, 10:33:26 AM »

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you have to understand the cultural context to understand the picture.  if you don't, please refain from comment.  otherwise you betray your ignorance.


WHAT???? Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #190 on: June 25, 2005, 10:33:34 AM »

 HOLY COW..... just because this poor woman is lacking fashion sense does not indicate family dysfunction.......[/quote]  like i say, if all family dysfunction led to murder we would need more cemeteries.[/quote]

No kidding.
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« Reply #191 on: June 25, 2005, 10:33:41 AM »

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Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did? Am I missing something? Parent's did not put a stop to that? I know chaperones would put a stop to that at most proms! You are judged by your behavior right or wrong, I see why people don't have a problem bashing Joran


Actually I've seen that kind of dancing at a Bat Mitzvah in 7th grade...it happens...and it doesn't mean the kids are bad. It's just another teenager thing...I think the only thing we really have to judge him on right now is his lying. The other things seem really typical to me.


Parents were there and I think it is a sad state of affairs. I am certainly glad ballroom dancing is now required in New York City Schools. I hope the change will make young men start respecting girls again.
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« Reply #192 on: June 25, 2005, 10:34:12 AM »

Whatcha the tone, folks. Play nice or I'll start the beatings until morale improves Wink
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« Reply #193 on: June 25, 2005, 10:34:14 AM »

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Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authoriries in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.


Joran said they dropped her off at the holiday inn, lie number 1
Then changed to we dropped them off at the mariott.
Then joran said he called Satish to pick him up then Satish called him a liar then he changed it to Deepak.
Then joran finally admitted to being with her on the beach.

This all comes from fox news, if all this is subjective then we know nothing at all and can assume nobody has even been detained.


I agree with Razzberry. Let's face it, some folks only remind us that we are operating on rumor and speculation when they don't like our conclusions. And then they'll spend the rest of the day speculating on their own. RB, you would be better off just to post a caveat, every 15 minutes that this is ALL just rumor and conjecture. And leave it at that.
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« Reply #194 on: June 25, 2005, 10:34:17 AM »

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cover her mouth to keep her from screaming.


I think you'd have to cover the nose and mouth, and for several minutes, and beyond the point at which she lost consciousness.  It takes 4 minutes with a lack of oxygen to die. So, if that scenario were true, he had to have gone way beyond trying to keep her from screaming.


I also think the image of the mother is very revealing. I just can't picture the mother of an 18 year old going to any party dressed in such a revealing top with a white bra showing through it.  There are slips, camisoles etc., and she is the wife of a judge. I do think it may reveal something about the dysfunction within the family and could lead to some speculation about the son's emotional disturbance.


 HOLY COW..... just because this poor woman is lacking fashion sense does not indicate family dysfunction.......[/quote]
I'm pretty sure that the blouse she was wearing was pretty normal.  What you see is the result from using a flash.
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« Reply #195 on: June 25, 2005, 10:34:48 AM »

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 HOLY COW..... just because this poor woman is lacking fashion sense does not indicate family dysfunction.......
 like i say, if all family dysfunction led to murder we would need more cemeteries.[/quote]

No kidding.[/quote]Lol. Ditto that.
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« Reply #196 on: June 25, 2005, 10:35:03 AM »

The simplest and most straightforward explanation is that Joran gave Natalee a date-rape drug, took her to a beach and had sex with her, where he either murdered her or she OD'd. You may not WANT to believe it, and there may be other POSSIBLE explanations for Natalee's disappearance, but that is still the most believable scenario.[/quote]

Agreed. But where did he put the body? I believe PVDS helped Joran, but how is it that they disposed of the body without any witnesses? Most obvious explanation is Steve Croes and access to a boat? They could have dumped the body on the other side of the Island where the sea is rough/choppy.
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« Reply #197 on: June 25, 2005, 10:35:05 AM »

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Anyone out there. Have you ever gone to a 15 year old's party where they danced think Joran and that girl did? Am I missing something? Parent's did not put a stop to that? I know chaperones would put a stop to that at most proms! You are judged by your behavior right or wrong, I see why people don't have a problem bashing Joran


Actually I've seen that kind of dancing at a Bat Mitzvah in 7th grade...it happens...and it doesn't mean the kids are bad. It's just another teenager thing...I think the only thing we really have to judge him on right now is his lying. The other things seem really typical to me.


Parents were there and I think it is a sad state of affairs. I am certainly glad ballroom dancing is now required in New York City Schools. I hope the change will make young men start respecting girls again.


You are aware that the girls do it too, right?
And no, I'm not a guy, I'm a girl.
But we dance with them because we want to...not because they just grab us and make us. It's an equal fault thing. I don't think dancing and "pimp"  and such are reasons to judge him.
It's the LYING that is such a big deal.
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« Reply #198 on: June 25, 2005, 10:35:10 AM »

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The picture of Mrs.VDS originally came from this online magazine:

http://album.pancayente.com/index.php?cat=0

Any other references to websites are copies!

PS.....if you are linking directly to pictures on other sites...it's stealing that sites bandwidth. It would be better to load the picture to your own site for hotlinking or simply provide a link. Just thought you should know.


No, the picture of Mrs. vdS originally came from one of Joran's website, either the MSN Spaces or the Tickle site.


Here is the link to the entire party page. Notice that the picture in question is part of the group about eight rows down. Origjnally it was linkable from an online magazine.

http://album.pancayente.com/thumbnails.php?album=19


The pic of Mrs. vdS may have been on the pancayente site, but it was ALSO on Joran's site.
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« Reply #199 on: June 25, 2005, 10:36:19 AM »

if dutch-bag was walking  what did he do with natelee   that really limits how you would get rid of a body   some one had to help    but the jackass might be tell the truth now   he left her on the beach(what a asshole)  it could be a random kidnapping   and if thats the case the cops might never figure out who did it (even LE in the USA almost never catch people that they can not conect to a case )but we are still back to if dutch-bag didn't do something to her  WHY ALL THE LIES?
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