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« Reply #260 on: June 25, 2005, 10:58:08 AM »

Thanks for saying which McDs it was.

Parking lot (i.e. where the cars are supposed to park), is pretty visible from the main road).
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« Reply #261 on: June 25, 2005, 10:58:18 AM »

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I am still very puzzled about Steve Croes


fox news is saying that he back up the slime brothers first story about droping natelee at holday Inn
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« Reply #262 on: June 25, 2005, 10:58:48 AM »

Folks, I can see it's going to be a busy day - let's quote only what we need to quote (2 deep-max) and I won't be tearing my hair out because you're getting CGI or server too busy errors.....
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« Reply #263 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:08 AM »

Columbo is correct. Greta show stated last night that on the night that Natalee met up with Joran, that Paul and Joran were playing Poker at the HI casino, Mr VDS went home while Joran stayed to continue playing, and later on at 11pm Joran phoned him from McDonalds to come pick him up
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« Reply #264 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:16 AM »

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I am still very puzzled about Steve Croes


fox news is saying that he back up the slime brothers first story about droping natelee at holday Inn


No one has reported that they were covered in slime.  Lets not get carried away.
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« Reply #265 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:16 AM »

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last time i checked, there is no known correlation between dirty dancing and murder.


Iquitos - I agree.  I think people are trying to piece together all the information they know of Joran and paint a picture of his character.  There seems to have a wide range of attributes:

- sneaks out at night
- good athlete
- party boy
- honors student
- gambler
- wonderful son
- underage drinking
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« Reply #266 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:29 AM »

Re se through clothing - remember the famous picture of the demure Lady Diana Spencer, erstwhile child care worker, sun glowing through her skirt - her legs clearly visible for all the world to see
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« Reply #267 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:54 AM »

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Razzy,

Don't take it personally, but some of your responses are more sarcastic than the opinion or the question.  You want to assume that Joran killed Nat and you don't wish to explore other possibilities.  IMO, that is pretty closed minded, but it's your opinion and you don't need to resort to sarcasm to express it.  I respect your opinion, but you need to respect others as well.

Charmz


I think he killed her and Im not going to waiver from that.  If people want to ignore the facts that their choice but I dont LOL or roll my eyes at their posts. and I dont need a rescue squad because I stand by want I say.  People can think what they want I dont care.[/quote]


I won't soapbox on this, all information 'that we have' seems to indicate that Joran was the last person to spend time with her.  

In the USA, it's innocent until proven guilty.  I stand by that.  We don't have enough information, and until we do, other possibilities, should be explored.  This, thankfully, isn't a witch trial.
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« Reply #268 on: June 25, 2005, 11:00:21 AM »

FYI gonna hang up the wash, will be right back.
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« Reply #269 on: June 25, 2005, 11:00:33 AM »

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Parents were there and I think it is a sad state of affairs. I am certainly glad ballroom dancing is now required in New York City Schools. I hope the change will make young men start respecting girls again.


Wow...when did New York schools start requiring ballroom dancing? And I am wondering how they are enforcing it.  I hope all schools do this.

crap, I'm sounding like my mother again...eek!


The today show did a special and showed  the elementary kids were learning how to ballroom dance. It is like a ph ed requirement. The kids seemed to love it.


My daughter just graduated from college and she had never ballroom or swing danced in her life. They did at the university and downtown clubs, she loved it and so did her friends. It was the rage a few years ago..She and her friends were in a commerical because of it.
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« Reply #270 on: June 25, 2005, 11:00:54 AM »

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So, if Joran and PVDS go to clubs together, are said to have both been seen at the casino that night, then PVDS picked up Joran at the McDonalds at 11 and they both went to the casino together?  PvdS supposedly picked J up at 11 PM to bring him home.
Otherwise, why were they calling the Kalpoe brother for a ride? Joran suposedly snuck out after he got home, K bros picked him up to go to C&C. NH and JVDS didn't leave the club until around 1:00.  PVDS told police he took Joran home, and Joran has said he snuck out, but what if they have PVDS on video in the club after 11:00 pm that night? What club? Do you mean the casino?

I thought the report was that he went to pick Joran up at 3 am, but I've also seen a report that PVDS called Joran on his cell at 6 am, when he suspected he wasn't at home.
3AM was on a blog that soemone from MB who had been in Aruba & gone back to MB had seen PvdS at the McD. Not proven. The 6AM call was on Sun morn not Mon morn and this is per someone iding themself as NH's aunt.
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« Reply #271 on: June 25, 2005, 11:00:59 AM »

Charmz[/quote]



I won't soapbox on this, all information 'that we have' seems to indicate that Joran was the last person to spend time with her.  

In the USA, it's innocent until proven guilty.  I stand by that.  We don't have enough information, and until we do, other possibilities, should be explored.  This, thankfully, isn't a witch trial.[/quote]

Its not a court of law either, so I can say whatever  I think happened whether its true or not.
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« Reply #272 on: June 25, 2005, 11:01:01 AM »

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<<<<dublin: you start out with an unproven assertion that joran and father went to casinos together. we have no source confirmation on that. >>>>

It was reported on Greta's show last night that father and son were at the Holiday Inn casino TOGETHER when Joran first met Natalee.


Thanks.  I was trying to state there are a lot of inconsistencies in the timeline, and hard to know what is true or not, but I think the news reporters have pretty well fleshed out this as truth.  There were a number of MB teens interviewed that said they saw PVDS there. I just don't know what time he was there and whether there is any indication he went there after 11:00.  

I'm also pointing out inconsistencies in that timeline.  The Kalpoe bros. mother said that they were calling the one with a car (who was working at the internet cafe) from about 11 on to get a ride. They had to wait until he was done working, so her story goes.

So, if Paul gave Joran a ride at 11:00 then what were all the calls to "satish"? (not sure of spelling) at about the same time regarding a ride?  At least per Mrs. Kalpoe's interview...
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« Reply #273 on: June 25, 2005, 11:01:41 AM »

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<<<<dublin: you start out with an unproven assertion that joran and father went to casinos together. we have no source confirmation on that. >>>>

It was reported on Greta's show last night that father and son were at the Holiday Inn casino TOGETHER when Joran first met Natalee.


I'm waiting for Greta's transcript to be posted on FOX. I remember the part about Joren and his dad being in the HI casino together that night...but I don't remember if she made any reference as  to Joren meeting Natalee at that time????
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« Reply #274 on: June 25, 2005, 11:01:45 AM »

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<<<<dublin: you start out with an unproven assertion that joran and father went to casinos together. we have no source confirmation on that. >>>>

It was reported on Greta's show last night that father and son were at the Holiday Inn casino TOGETHER when Joran first met Natalee.


odd, i did not hear that, must have dozed off.  did greta ask why v/ sloots  had told her something else in her interview with them?
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« Reply #275 on: June 25, 2005, 11:03:59 AM »

here is the link to that interview:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=286
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« Reply #276 on: June 25, 2005, 11:04:02 AM »

In the US you are presumed innocent until proven guilty under the law.

You are actually either guilty or innocent.

In the US, unless you are on the jury, you can presume whatever you want about someone's guilt or innocence.
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« Reply #277 on: June 25, 2005, 11:04:22 AM »

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<<<<dublin: you start out with an unproven assertion that joran and father went to casinos together. we have no source confirmation on that. >>>>

It was reported on Greta's show last night that father and son were at the Holiday Inn casino TOGETHER when Joran first met Natalee.


I'm waiting for Greta's transcript to be posted on FOX. I remember the part about Joren and his dad being in the HI casino together that night...but I don't remember if she made any reference as  to Joren meeting Natalee at that time????
 

Odd, there was an aruban witness on who said joren and natalee were seen together, but he did not mention the dad being there.  can we get some monkey power on this.  And by the way, what does it prove?  maybe he went down there to pick him up after the poker contest where he came in 4th.
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« Reply #278 on: June 25, 2005, 11:04:44 AM »

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Can someone clear up if PvdS was spotted at the Holiday Inn casino with Joran when he met Natalee, or is this just a rumor that has been repeated so often it is being accepted as fact?


1st I heard of that was from Greta last night. Just an aside but when I took Probability & Statistics, I always felt a casino atmosphere would have been more meaningful than pulling marbles out of a bag.
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« Reply #279 on: June 25, 2005, 11:04:56 AM »

Iquitos - I agree.  I think people are trying to piece together all the information they know of Joran and paint a picture of his character.  There seems to have a wide range of attributes:

- sneaks out at night
- good athlete
- party boy
- honors student
- gambler
- wonderful son
- underage drinking[/quote]

As a mother of four grown kids, this pretty much describes a lot of "normal" teenagers except for maybe the gambling since it's not so accessible in the states.  I know my kids (including the youth pastor) all pretty much had these attributes.
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