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« Reply #360 on: June 25, 2005, 11:37:26 AM »

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000796.html

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(Vanishing of Natalee Holloway)... Joran's Young Ex.
I was frankly appalled the other day when Fox correspondent Geraldo Rivera revealed to Bill O'Reilly a rumor from Aruba that dutch teen Joran Van Der Sloot, who is now seemingly the main focus of suspicion in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, had "made a video of a gangbang involving (Van Der Sloot) and a 14-year-old."

The idea of such a thing -- which would be considered child porn here -- was appalling, but actually I was just shocked that Rivera voiced the rumor. I took it for an instance of the notably iconoclastic journalist doing what he's been noted for doing for years, stirring the waters and poking people with a tacky stick. We need journalists like Geraldo, I believe, who have a nose for sensation, because they are capable of occasionally uncovering blockbuster stories -- but even the Enquirer has scooped the New York Post every now and then. That doesn't mean I take it seriously as a source of news.

Rivera's revelation got me to wondering, though -- did Joran like 'em young -- at least by American standards -- and if so, was there proof?

Some. And not definitive proof, either -- certainly nothing like the kind of salacious evidence Rivera spoke of.

But I did uncover proof that the 6'3" 17-year-old who is said to have a penchant for drink and gambling liked at least one young girl in a way that caused her parents consternation.

I don't know about you, but I certainly knew of instances in high school of senior guys dating freshman girls. It was treading the line, some thought -- the old joke was "15 will get you 20." As in "20 years in the slammer for statutory rape." But a lot of people justified these 17 and 18-year-old, nominally adult, guys dating 14 and 15 year old girls with the equivocation that were the couple in their twenties no one would care. I'm not sure now how valid a defense that was, but I didn't think much about it then. My own wife, Dana, was in 8th grade when I graduated from high school (but she was 28 going on 29 when we met, before anyone gets smart).

Some sources say the age of consent for those covered by the laws of the Netherlands is 12. That does not appear to be entirely accurate. Here's what it says at answers.com:

For inhabitants of the Netherlands it is a severe crime to have sex with a prostitute below 18, or any person below 16, anywhere in the world.
if a foreigner has had sex with a prostitute below 18, or any person below 16, anywhere in the world, even if this was legal, if this was done at a time that it was already illegal in the Netherlands, he or she becomes a criminal when immigrating to the Netherlands.

That page referred me to an Interpol page for the Netherlands -- Legislation of Interpol member states on sexual offences against children. Here is what it says in one instance; The legal age of consent for sexual activity has not been communicated.

Then later on, on the same page:

Article 245 of the Penal Code
A person who, out of wedlock, with a person who has reached the age of twelve (12) but not yet sixteen (16), performs indecent acts comprising or including sexual penetration of the body is liable to a term of imprisonment of not more than eight years or a fine of the fifth category.


part of that page is quoted.
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« Reply #361 on: June 25, 2005, 11:38:04 AM »

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nancy Im getting ripped to shreads. Im not allowed to say what I think because Fox news hasnt reported it yet. Please help me.

Correction:  you are not getting ripped to shreds.  Folks are trying to give you some feedback about the tone of your posts and you perceive it to be that you can't say anything.


The "tone" of Razzy's posts? PLEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!
RB, I've grown to sorta like you but who cares about the tone of Razzy's posts?  You said the same thing to me.  This isn't a tea party or a fan club. It's a discussion of probable MURDER AND RAPE...Any real criminal pro isn't gonna come here and play house in soft spoken whispers just to appease.

I'm glad Razzy's here...it's so great to have a confident, brash, intelligent poster.
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« Reply #362 on: June 25, 2005, 11:38:33 AM »

la_cavaliere, by the roads, but for about 1.8 km you cannot cut through, due to the swamp, and if you're not used to walking it home, I think cutting through without knowing what you're doing might be wasting more time than helping.

How anal is it that I actually went out and did this....  Embarassed
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« Reply #363 on: June 25, 2005, 11:38:47 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please


5 km is 3.1 miles.  So, does it sound about right to everyone that this would take an hour to walk?
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« Reply #364 on: June 25, 2005, 11:38:57 AM »

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There was a rumor from an Aruban who played tennis with Joran that he bragged about the number of women he had sex with after using the date rape drug.


 arabba:  can we please have a source on that?


Okay - I'll try to find it.  I might need a little time.
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« Reply #365 on: June 25, 2005, 11:39:09 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please
1 m = 2.2 k
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« Reply #366 on: June 25, 2005, 11:39:46 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please
off the top of my head i think it's about 3 miles[/quote


i did the math 5 km= 3.1065 miles
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« Reply #367 on: June 25, 2005, 11:40:04 AM »

I find it hard to believe that someone who drinks and gambles illegally doesn't drive.  Driving is the first illegal activity that most teenagers do.

Also, I find it funny when people say one place is so many kilometers from another place, as though a 17 yr old athlete couldn't run around the island if he was afraid of imprisonment.  Why would Greta be asked how far one place is from another and if she could walk it?  Is Greta an athlete or a runner?  Have you ever seen a 17 yr old play soccer competitively?  Do you think he could possibly run for a couple of hours?
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« Reply #368 on: June 25, 2005, 11:40:59 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please


5 km is 3.1 miles.  So, does it sound about right to everyone that this would take an hour to walk?


Yes, a normal walking pace is 3-4 miles per hour. Jogging even less.

But why wouldn't he just say he walked home?
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« Reply #369 on: June 25, 2005, 11:41:22 AM »

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nancy Im getting ripped to shreads. Im not allowed to say what I think because Fox news hasnt reported it yet. Please help me.

Correction:  you are not getting ripped to shreds.  Folks are trying to give you some feedback about the tone of your posts and you perceive it to be that you can't say anything.


The "tone" of Razzy's posts? PLEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!
RB, I've grown to sorta like you but who cares about the tone of Razzy's posts?  You said the same thing to me.  This isn't a tea party or a fan club. It's a discussion of probable MURDER AND RAPE...Any real criminal pro isn't gonna come here and play house in soft spoken whispers just to appease.

I'm glad Razzy's here...it's so great to have a confident, brash, intelligent poster.


It was more intense last night.
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« Reply #370 on: June 25, 2005, 11:41:37 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please



A tad over 3 miles. Is this as the crow flies or by the roads? You can walk 3 miles in less than an hour, and run it in even less time.


Yup.  You can walk 3 miles in about 30 minutes.  Joran is a young healthy 17 year old "sportsman".  Easy walk or run for him.
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« Reply #371 on: June 25, 2005, 11:41:38 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please
off the top of my head i think it's about 3 miles[/quote


i did the math 5 km= 3.1065 miles


My 18 yr old runs 7 to 9 miles without stopping just for exercise.
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« Reply #372 on: June 25, 2005, 11:42:53 AM »

let me repeat
if dutch-bag was walking what did he do with natelee that really limits how you would get rid of a body some one had to help but the jackass might be tell the truth now he left her on the beach(what a asshole) it could be a random kidnapping and if thats the case the cops might never figure out who did it (even LE in the USA almost never catch people that they can not conect to a case )but we are still back to if dutch-bag didn't do something to her WHY ALL THE LIES?
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« Reply #373 on: June 25, 2005, 11:43:06 AM »

He must have been very very lucky that no one saw him, because it was the night of Soul Beach, so it would have been busier than usual.
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« Reply #374 on: June 25, 2005, 11:43:54 AM »

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It's 5km. Someone do the math in miles for me, please
1 m = 2.2 k


1mile  +  1.61 k's
1lb  =  2.2 kilos
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« Reply #375 on: June 25, 2005, 11:44:32 AM »

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He must have been very very lucky that no one saw him, because it was the night of Soul Beach, so it would have been busier than usual.


arubagirl, that's very important to know for us.  So at 2 a.m. or 3 a.m., a person committing a crime could not be confident that he was alone out there?
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« Reply #376 on: June 25, 2005, 11:44:45 AM »

iquitos asked: how could mr v/d sloot say someting to greta yesterday if he was in jail?

Good question; have rewound tape from Greta show last night, and she says "told us yesterday" so maybe this was taped earlier and shown 1st time last night?
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« Reply #377 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:06 AM »

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Can someone clear up if PvdS was spotted at the Holiday Inn casino with Joran when he met Natalee, or is this just a rumor that has been repeated so often it is being accepted as fact?


Greta reported this as fact during her show last night.  It was when she was visiting each location that they know that JVDS was the night in question.  She went to the entrance of the casino in the HI and said (still have it on TIVO),

"Now Joran was there with his father gambling.  They were gambling throughout the evening.  This is what Joran's father told us yesterday.  What happened was at about.....sometime in the evening Joran's father decided he was going to go home, and he left his son here.  His son doesn't drive, his son had no way of getting home, but he was with a bunch of friends, gambling.  At about 11 p.m. though, Joran's father got a phone call to pick up his son.  (para.) He called from the McDonald's a few blocks away."

I wonder if this has anything to do with PVDS discrepancy.  Did he maybe not tell LE that he had been gambling with his son that day, and that's why they picked him up?  Who knows -just speculation.
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« Reply #378 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:28 AM »

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Im confused about all these pick up times.  And what is the significance of the pick up from the Internet Cafe around 10 pm - when all the bad stuff happened after 1am when the CNC closed.


PVDS stated he picked up his son at 11pm at McD's. Went home, went to sleep, had no idea his son snuck out. Now, we hear the Kalpoe brothers may have picked Joran up after work and brought him to C&C.

It would prove Dad is lying. Why would Dad lie about picking his son up at 11pm? Perhaps, Dad was involved from the beginning!
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« Reply #379 on: June 25, 2005, 11:46:26 AM »

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nancy Im getting ripped to shreads. Im not allowed to say what I think because Fox news hasnt reported it yet. Please help me.

Correction:  you are not getting ripped to shreds.  Folks are trying to give you some feedback about the tone of your posts and you perceive it to be that you can't say anything.


The "tone" of Razzy's posts? PLEEEAAASSSSEEEEE!!!!
RB, I've grown to sorta like you but who cares about the tone of Razzy's posts?  You said the same thing to me.  This isn't a tea party or a fan club. It's a discussion of probable MURDER AND RAPE...Any real criminal pro isn't gonna come here and play house in soft spoken whispers just to appease.

I'm glad Razzy's here...it's so great to have a confident, brash, intelligent poster.


It was more intense last night.


Razzy,
So this is the real first day of the Texas search.  Do you know the typical length of time it takes them to do a full search....I know that depends on the situation...And, they say authorities are working with them...true?  How about the FBI?  

Also, is there much we can glean about the state of the case from the court proceedings today?  I know it's procedural...but, it seems the lawyers are getting frustrated, might they start talking more?
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