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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2005, 09:31:49 AM »

Sandy asked: "Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX"

I taped Greta, and just watched this am...found these things interesting:

Linda Holloway Allison w/ Greta: re father arrested in complicity, Linda: our understanding of dutch law is they list all possibilities of what the crime might be, and then once they obtain enough evidence then they determine which one of those they'll file changes on...
Greta: "are you certain they've looked at all posibilities", reponse: family believes three boys are the last seen with Natalee, continue to hope they find out through them what happened....they hear alot... story has changed... If they were telling the truth, there should only be one story and that would all there would be to it.  Joran sneaking out to go the casino...don't know evidence.

Ricardo Yarzagaray, aruban attorney, probably said something important...will have to wait for transcript...background music distracting...Village People song - i think.

Inteview with mama Kalpoe...

Gretas tour of known events of the evening:  CNCs leaving at 1:00, ends with beach but reiterates no known evidence or witnesses.
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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2005, 09:32:07 AM »

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No it doesn't, but why would he leave her if she passed out, why not take her back to her hotel.  Not very gentlemanly of him.  The only thought I have on this is he is guilty of something, being it giving her drugs and/or raping her.  I have a hard time understanding why he just left her there, but who knows if this story is true.
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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2005, 09:32:10 AM »

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Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authoriries in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.


Joran said they dropped her off at the holiday inn, lie number 1
Then changed to we dropped them off at the mariott.
Then joran said he called Satish to pick him up then Satish called him a liar then he changed it to Deepak.
Then joran finally admitted to being with her on the beach.

This all comes from fox news, if all this is subjective then we know nothing at all and can assume nobody has even been detained.


It's reported from Fox news - and I correct my post:  I've only seen 2 people confirm that there has been a change in stories from the trio:  Mrs VDS and Mrs. Kalpoe.  Other than that, there really is no substantiative proof how many times they changed their stories.  Your post reads like it happened 3 times when it could have happened countless times and we don't know it.  That's all I'm saying.


Fox news reported when they put the 3 boys in the room together the stories started to fall apart.  Joran said I called Satish to pick me up then Satish said "why are you lying i didnt come pick you up" then Joran said ok I called Deepak to pick me up..Now we are hearing that he was on the beach with her.
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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2005, 09:32:19 AM »

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Good morning, Alt Smile  Have we seen anything new reported on Fox?  I haven't turned the tube on yet.  Enjoying my coffee in peace and quiet Smile


Hi RB..haven't looked at the tube yet either..way way too much scotch last night and can't hear anything this morning..lol
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2005, 09:32:32 AM »

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Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authoriries in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.


Joran said they dropped her off at the holiday inn, lie number 1
Then changed to we dropped them off at the mariott.
Then joran said he called Satish to pick him up then Satish called him a liar then he changed it to Deepak.
Then joran finally admitted to being with her on the beach.

This all comes from fox news, if all this is subjective then we know nothing at all and can assume nobody has even been detained.


It's reported from Fox news - and I correct my post:  I've only seen 2 people confirm that there has been a change in stories from the trio:  Mrs VDS and Mrs. Kalpoe.  Other than that, there really is no substantiative proof how many times they changed their stories.  Your post reads like it happened 3 times when it could have happened countless times and we don't know it.  That's all I'm saying.
 

the two mothers are telling us their sons told them one thing initially (the same thing Joran told the Alabama delegation in the front yard) and then changed that (apparently after they were arrested).   The two mothers are first hand accounts.  We have no others from named sources.
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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2005, 09:33:03 AM »

Welcome, pawleys island girl  Thanks for the summary!  Do you mind if we use it elsewhere?  Always looking for good summarizers, and we can refer new folks to it to catch up....
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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2005, 09:37:32 AM »

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leaving natalee on the beach does not make you a murderer.


No it doesn't, but why would he leave her if she passed out, why not take her back to her hotel.  Not very gentlemanly of him.  The only thought I have on this is he is guilty of something, being it giving her drugs and/or raping her.  I have a hard time understanding why he just left her there, but who knows if this story is true.
 

that joren is a gentleman has already been discarded long since.  that he has murdered someone has not yet been established.
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2005, 09:37:39 AM »

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leaving natalee on the beach does not make you a murderer.


No it doesn't, but why would he leave her if she passed out, why not take her back to her hotel.  Not very gentlemanly of him.  The only thought I have on this is he is guilty of something, being it giving her drugs and/or raping her.  I have a hard time understanding why he just left her there, but who knows if this story is true.


True, DAG.  being a cad doesn't necessarily make someone a murderer.  However, if something accidently happened (the whole mixing alcohol/some substance thing), and he left her there rather than get help, I believe he can be culpable for that.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2005, 09:38:29 AM »

FOX reported that some of the suspects are due in court today at 3:00, and that there will be a lot more news after that.  The Texas search team will start today.  The agreement with Aruba is gthat the search team will in no way be subsidized by Aruba.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2005, 09:39:16 AM »

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FOX reported that some of the suspects are due in court today at 3:00, and that there will be a lot more news after that.  The Texas search team will start today.  The agreement with Aruba is gthat the search team will in no way be subsidized by Aruba.


When did this report happen?  I ask this because I'm sure we'l need to be prepared for the flood of traffic...
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2005, 09:40:12 AM »

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FOX reported that some of the suspects are due in court today at 3:00, and that there will be a lot more news after that.  The Texas search team will start today.  The agreement with Aruba is gthat the search team will in no way be subsidized by Aruba.


When did this report happen?  I ask this because I'm sure we'l need to be prepared for the flood of traffic...


Within the past half hour.
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2005, 09:40:48 AM »

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For a breather....try this FOX article by Greta Van Susteren about a monkey near the parents home:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160602,00.html

I thought it was a hoot when a neighbor accused a FOX staff member of wiring the monkey so that FOX could pick up converstations at the parents. ROTFLOL


Yeah that was pretty funny.Paranoia at it's best!


Actually, the monkey is in the employ of a sister company. We will have no names, but its initials are SM
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2005, 09:41:00 AM »

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Welcome, pawleys island girl  Thanks for the summary!  Do you mind if we use it elsewhere?  Always looking for good summarizers, and we can refer new folks to it to catch up....


Yes, glad to contribute something...y'all are amazing. Keep the lights burning!
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2005, 09:41:29 AM »

arrabba, thank you very much. Smile  Did you hear whether it will be all the suspects, or a specific select few?  And did they say who they were?
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2005, 09:43:46 AM »

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Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.


Thats a very touching story, but Joran killed natalie, lied to authorities 3times and asked his friends to help substantiate a false alibi.  Try again.
 

I do not know where you get your information.  I can't imagine where you get your insider information.  Are you the Dutch prosecutor handling the case?  Of course Joran is changing his story becasue he lied on the first try.  Too bad he was not professionally interrogated.  Then, we think, at some later time, he was finally professionally interrogated and told another story.  We don't know what that is either.  Has it changed, we do not know.  Is it the same one he told his mom?  We don't know.  

We can speculate until the cows come home, but hey, if we knew, the case would already be solved!  Oh, by the way, how did he kill her and what did he do with the body?  .

Nicely said.
I am sorry but the fact of the matter is NO ONE knows what happened. We can sit all day and speculate and come up w/ theories based on "inside sources" being reported by the media. All in all we dont even know that the source isnt a janitor who works at the police dept overhearing watercooler gossip.
I do believe that it will probably turn into a simple story and nothing outlandish, but at this point no one knows! I will reserve the right to cast judgement on any of the suspects. I will wait for facts to come out. When and if they find her (dead or alive) then maybe we might know what happened. At this point tho if shes dead not much evidence may be gained. Yes I have my theories but thats all they are.
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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2005, 09:43:47 AM »

I do not know if this made the board, but they have brought a new judge in from Holland for the 3 pm hearing. The conventional wisdom is that the present judge has heard too much evidence that the Royal Court needs fresh eyes on this case.
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2005, 09:43:57 AM »

Okay, I'm coming out of lurk mode.  Amazing what a few cups of joe will make you do.
What is up with the "need a body" "don't need a body" for a convinction?  When asked yesterday evening if, under Dutch Law, a body was necessary for a convinction - G said she did not know and that all the attorneys she had spoken to on the island did not know either.
I've done a good bit of (fruitless) searching.  Did come across some International Law by the UN that said you didn't have to have a body for a convinction if the evidence you did have was enough to prove the person was dead (i.e. 5 quarts of blood at a crime scene when the human body has about 6).
Any good information out there?
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2005, 09:44:05 AM »

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arrabba, thank you very much. Smile  Did you hear whether it will be all the suspects, or a specific select few?  And did they say who they were?


I thought they said all, but i'm not positive.  They are reporting live from Aruba this morning.  I will listen more closely to the next report and post here right away.
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2005, 09:45:01 AM »

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arrabba, thank you very much. Smile  Did you hear whether it will be all the suspects, or a specific select few?  And did they say who they were?


I thought they said all, but i'm not positive.  They are reporting live from Aruba this morning.  I will listen more closely to the next report and post here right away.


You're a gem Smile  Thank you again and look forward to the update.
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2005, 09:45:20 AM »

Yet anotherday in the search Natalee Holloway

I just wondered we are all argumenting that Joran is guilty , are argument not supported by facts.

Untill now I have not seen one fact that supports that Joran is guilty.

And remember no body no case !

The foxnews statement" procecuters names crimes where suspects aree suspected off ) where everyone was so emotional and excited about yesterday is nothing new , has been published on various news sources days before fox came with this statement.
In fact Fox is the big winner here.
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