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« Reply #400 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:43 AM »

mehill... so DJ is putting himself out and about at the HI on Sun Night at 3:00 a.m.  Is it possible that He saw Baby walking/running down the road at 3:oo am, gave him a lift home and lied about it? Perhaps Baby told him that the girl he picked up was passed out on the beach and that is it.
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« Reply #401 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:47 AM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


That is very good!  The ladies around here that have seen his mug, don't think he would have been quite a "playa" as held himself out to be.  He is very "lurch" like and probably had trouble closing the deal.  A little GHB goes a long way in that respect.
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« Reply #402 on: June 25, 2005, 11:58:21 AM »

And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.
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« Reply #403 on: June 25, 2005, 11:58:52 AM »

Professor, would a "master" allow himself to be seen leaving with the person and then change his stories several times?  I just don't see it - we're demonizing and Law&Ordering what appears to be a 17 year old kid who liked to get drunk and play up his chick quotient.  Bad stuff, sure, but not quite Bundy, ya know? Smile
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« Reply #404 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:12 AM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.
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« Reply #405 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:34 AM »

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Can someone clear up if PvdS was spotted at the Holiday Inn casino with Joran when he met Natalee, or is this just a rumor that has been repeated so often it is being accepted as fact?


Greta reported this as fact during her show last night.  It was when she was visiting each location that they know that JVDS was the night in question.  She went to the entrance of the casino in the HI and said (still have it on TIVO),

"Now Joran was there with his father gambling.  They were gambling throughout the evening.  This is what Joran's father told us yesterday.  What happened was at about.....sometime in the evening Joran's father decided he was going to go home, and he left his son here.  His son doesn't drive, his son had no way of getting home, but he was with a bunch of friends, gambling.  At about 11 p.m. though, Joran's father got a phone call to pick up his son.  (para.) He called from the McDonald's a few blocks away."

I wonder if this has anything to do with PVDS discrepancy.  Did he maybe not tell LE that he had been gambling with his son that day, and that's why they picked him up?  Who knows -just speculation.
 

ok so now joran was gambling under parental supervision.  was there not some type of contest?  where was natalee in all this because joran had contact with natalee that evening too.  did joran go to mikkie dee to eat after the casino hence being picked up there.  i admit with all this late night monkeyng i fell asleep last night while watching greta,  imagine that.
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« Reply #406 on: June 25, 2005, 12:00:19 PM »

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And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.


See, that's what bothers me about those website comments.  If you knew he did it, why would you not be vocal about it now that he's accused in someone's disappearance?
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« Reply #407 on: June 25, 2005, 12:00:24 PM »

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And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.


Kind of what Paul and Carla Holmolka did to those girls.  They pretty much were clueless they had been molested.  Occasionaly, they died under the drugs....

It's also possible that JVS was running his mouth that she was passed out on the beach and all the wonderful friends he has, came to see what they could get, including the elder VS.
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« Reply #408 on: June 25, 2005, 12:00:25 PM »

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Im confused about all these pick up times.  And what is the significance of the pick up from the Internet Cafe around 10 pm - when all the bad stuff happened after 1am when the CNC closed.


PVDS stated he picked up his son at 11pm at McD's. Went home, went to sleep, had no idea his son snuck out. Now, we hear the Kalpoe brothers may have picked Joran up after work and brought him to C&C.

It would prove Dad is lying. Why would Dad lie about picking his son up at 11pm? Perhaps, Dad was involved from the beginning!


we have known for a while that the kalpoes picked joran up after he sneaked out of the house after his  dad brough him home from mikkie dee.  there is indication kalpoes may have stopped home first to get ready for hot date and eat after leaving Deepak's work.  then they drove to joran's on the other side of town, picked him up, and drove him to the club arriving 12-12:30.  joran could have called deepak at anytime after he talked to Natalee and was told she would be at the club.


How do we know the Kalpoes picked Joran up at his house?
Nat's friends stated Nat was hanging out/dancing with Joran....she left CC a little before 1 am. If Joran arrived at CCat 12-12:30 am, then he moved fast....dancing, drinking and drugging her within an 1 hour.
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« Reply #409 on: June 25, 2005, 12:01:23 PM »

Some of you are forgetting that there are MANY female teenagers that willingly take x and roofies ...
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« Reply #410 on: June 25, 2005, 12:01:45 PM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.


sorry a girl knows shes had sex the next morning whether she remembers it or not.
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« Reply #411 on: June 25, 2005, 12:01:52 PM »

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And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.


See, that's what bothers me about those website comments.  If you knew he did it, why would you not be vocal about it now that he's accused in someone's disappearance?


Maybe, they are not sure it really happened.  It would probably be viewed in there mind as a nightmarish dream, but not necessarily reality.
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« Reply #412 on: June 25, 2005, 12:02:03 PM »

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And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.


See, that's what bothers me about those website comments.  If you knew he did it, why would you not be vocal about it now that he's accused in someone's disappearance?


No I think IF he did it.  It was an accident.  GHB, etc.........
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« Reply #413 on: June 25, 2005, 12:02:44 PM »

Does anyone know anything about the background of Marcus Wiggins, Steve Croes employer?  Is he, thus, also the owner of the Tattoo?  

I have a slight memory that when our Aruban friends were realizing that they knew Steve Croes, that the employer was also mentioned.  And someone was talking about criminal records.  Did someone talk about Croes having a criminal record in the states?  

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« Reply #414 on: June 25, 2005, 12:02:49 PM »

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And not only that, but I would guess that there are young women who log onto this web site who KNOW he's done it before, and haven't told anyone.


I've read that tourists are targetted on their last day of vacation by date rape predators.  When the women go to the police the police tell them how they will need to stay in the country and it may take a long time to prosecute, blah, blah ,blah.  Basically telling the women it is easier for them to just forget about it.  Does wonders for the crime rate too.
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« Reply #415 on: June 25, 2005, 12:03:07 PM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.


sorry a girl knows shes had sex the next morning whether she remembers it or not.


That is not necessarily true.
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« Reply #416 on: June 25, 2005, 12:03:13 PM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.


sorry a girl knows shes had sex the next morning whether she remembers it or not.


That is not true.  Case in point, Holmolka's in Canada.  Not until after repeated abuses.
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« Reply #417 on: June 25, 2005, 12:03:41 PM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.


sorry a girl knows shes had sex the next morning whether she remembers it or not.


Not to be too graphic, but the other symptom of GBH is loss of bowel control.  So when the girl wakes up...  Again, sorry to be so graphic.
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« Reply #418 on: June 25, 2005, 12:03:42 PM »

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mehill... so DJ is putting himself out and about at the HI on Sun Night at 3:00 a.m.  Is it possible that He saw Baby walking/running down the road at 3:oo am, gave him a lift home and lied about it? Perhaps Baby told him that the girl he picked up was passed out on the beach and that is it.


that would mean that some how dutch-bag  got him to  lie to the cops for him  i mean telling lies to cops when some one is missing  {is not like lieing to your daddy/mother or wife]  it get your ass put in jail  

i really think the cops know alot more than fox news has found out   and untill we know what the cops knows  we really an't going to know what happen that night
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« Reply #419 on: June 25, 2005, 12:04:07 PM »

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Not only do I think Joran is involved in this crime, I believe he's done it before, because this time he was really bold. Think about it. What more perfect crime for the young sociopath than to use a date rape drug and take advantage of some young woman on the night before her group is supposed to return to the U. S.? A little roofie in her drink, right at closing time, and we're off to the races. Drop her off in front of her hotel, right at the door for everyone to see, and she looks like she's just drunk. She's disoriented and can't tell what happened. By the time her head clears, she's two thousand miles away and can't possibly bring charges in an Aruba court. She doesn't even speak the language. And besides, daddy knows all the angles, and won't let baby boy go down.

As for the victims, who is going to tell? What would be the point in telling?

A perfect crime, performed by a master.

Just a thought.


The victims will not know that they were raped.


professor:  any statistical correlation between sociopathic condition (if actually) diagnosed and murder?   i though we established the last time you posited this theory that these people are usually not violent.   so far we have eliminated dirty dancing and i forgot what other correlations.
BTW, talk about incompetent investigations/searches, they could not find some little kids in the trunk next to the house.
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