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« Reply #440 on: June 25, 2005, 12:17:03 PM »

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...And FYI she didnt realize she was raped until she turned up pregnant.


Shellbell, thanks for that good information.

Professor, merge this into your theory then.  There could be Joran-victims in Aruba who don't know it. (since it is reported that he bragged about having done this).


i thnk we may have just explained immaculate conception
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« Reply #441 on: June 25, 2005, 12:18:04 PM »

arubagirl you still here  i have a question please
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« Reply #442 on: June 25, 2005, 12:18:14 PM »

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...And FYI she didnt realize she was raped until she turned up pregnant.


Shellbell, thanks for that good information.

Professor, merge this into your theory then.  There could be Joran-victims in Aruba who don't know it. (since it is reported that he bragged about having done this).


Unfortunately, Dallas, this is an area where I cannot go, because I am a man. Perhaps some of the women on this blog site can follow that thread, but I can't. Sorry.
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« Reply #443 on: June 25, 2005, 12:18:14 PM »

Pvds is well educated. Appears Mensa material. He's well rehearsed in schmoozing women: professional, well regarded, feels he's intellectually superior to local intelligences. Telegraphs this to his audience, heck, he did to me! Cruises Casinos and upscale bars before Joran is a twinkle in his eye. A real Pro. Conquests are easy- small Island, tourists replenished daily so little info is passed from tourists to occupants of Aruba. Joran grows up idol worshipping his father. 98% of boys do. Mimics Daddys' ways in the art of schmooze. Booze, low opinion of women, egomaniac. He's now a carbon copy of his mentor. The die is cast at thirteen and Joran evolves steadily .
Timeline: PVDS and son at Casino- Pop is pointing out cuties and imbibing with his underage son.- PVDS with buzz humming proceeds home, leaving son. (Real parental material, no?)-- Natalee introduces herself to Joran, they converse and she mentions Carlos and Charlies'. Joran leaves Casino and Must! Have! Sustenance! Obvious choice for the svelte Joran-- McDonalds. Calls PVDS and on ride home informs his Dad about the hot girl he met and that it's her last night and she's headed to C and C's. This is the perfect setup, what PVDS and son are trained and eager to happen- tourist excited and leaving Island tomorrow, let's tag team her, Dad! I know this sounds sick, but it HAPPENS OFTEN! Kids emulate their parents!.  The facts at this point are muddy at best, so I'll keep with my theory. PVDS drives son to C and C's later, after they get home and make their plans, dropping him off up the street to avoid detection, then PVDS drives home and waits. He knows what time the bar closes and where his son will rendevous with him after the girl"s been GHB'd and taken to the "Lovers Beach" by the Marriot- Both Joran and PVDS have been there many times, this is where they take their prey, always has been. Deepak and Satish drop NH and Joran at beach when C and C closes. They feel squeamish because they know what Joran does to these women, although he's never hurt one yet. PVDS is watching all of this activity from his observation post and moves in when Surinamese brothers leave. The deed unfolds between NH, PVDS, and Joran. NH stunned and drugged, gets hysterical. Trying to keep her quiet the two men accidentally hurt her. (Crushed larrynx, asphyxiation- women are fragile, let's face it. Two big men and one slip in sweaty apprehension and she suffocates. I hate to think of this! This is a first for PVDS and son. PVDS keeps his cool, he's got to. He's gone from sexual predator to monster in one slip, but remember, he's a pro and well versed in the Legal Aspects- PVDS can think fast and on his feet. He drives Joran home and either thru contacts or Stephen Croes, gets a boat and disposes of the body several miles out where he knows the currents will do the rest. He then goes home and the rest is history. Deepak and Satish are in the deep kaka now, but they don't know what happened to Nat. PVDS is sweating bullets but knows son is too afraid to talk. Both men are  afraid of  Mama, who in her own right has had a sneaking suspicion about her son and her husbands nocturnal lurkings, she's just afraid that if she voices these suspicions, they won't go away. I'll bet this woman was abused as a child and covers it up with the Spiritual Leader thing. Been there personally.This family is so dysfunctional they can't see straight, except for PVDS-he's psychopathic with a lot of megolomaniac thrown in. These types could make anyone, and I mean anyone, beieve that whatever they are accused of was SOMEONE ELSE'S DOING. Trained behavior and self discipline can hide wierdness, don't you all think?
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« Reply #444 on: June 25, 2005, 12:18:55 PM »

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and I'll bet that a lot of Arubian girls don't want to talk about the escapades that they are willing participants in. Seriously... Teenagers of today are having much different trysts than they were 20 yrs. ago. Did you know that most of them do not consider oral sex "Sex" ? That threesomes happen much more than one would think?  Ever read Maxim? The bible for teenage boys?


And why would they when a recent president didn't?
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« Reply #445 on: June 25, 2005, 12:21:39 PM »

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Pvds is well educated. Appears Mensa material. He's well rehearsed in schmoozing women: professional, well regarded, feels he's intellectually superior to local intelligences. Telegraphs this to his audience, heck, he did to me! Cruises Casinos and upscale bars before Joran is a twinkle in his eye. A real Pro. Conquests are easy- small Island, tourists replenished daily so little info is passed from tourists to occupants of Aruba. Joran grows up idol worshipping his father. 98% of boys do. Mimics Daddys' ways in the art of schmooze. Booze, low opinion of women, egomaniac. He's now a carbon copy of his mentor. The die is cast at thirteen and Joran evolves steadily .
Timeline: PVDS and son at Casino- Pop is pointing out cuties and imbibing with his underage son.- PVDS with buzz humming proceeds home, leaving son. (Real parental material, no?)-- Natalee introduces herself to Joran, they converse and she mentions Carlos and Charlies'. Joran leaves Casino and Must! Have! Sustenance! Obvious choice for the svelte Joran-- McDonalds. Calls PVDS and on ride home informs his Dad about the hot girl he met and that it's her last night and she's headed to C and C's. This is the perfect setup, what PVDS and son are trained and eager to happen- tourist excited and leaving Island tomorrow, let's tag team her, Dad! I know this sounds sick, but it HAPPENS OFTEN! Kids emulate their parents!.  The facts at this point are muddy at best, so I'll keep with my theory. PVDS drives son to C and C's later, after they get home and make their plans, dropping him off up the street to avoid detection, then PVDS drives home and waits. He knows what time the bar closes and where his son will rendevous with him after the girl"s been GHB'd and taken to the "Lovers Beach" by the Marriot- Both Joran and PVDS have been there many times, this is where they take their prey, always has been. Deepak and Satish drop NH and Joran at beach when C and C closes. They feel squeamish because they know what Joran does to these women, although he's never hurt one yet. PVDS is watching all of this activity from his observation post and moves in when Surinamese brothers leave. The deed unfolds between NH, PVDS, and Joran. NH stunned and drugged, gets hysterical. Trying to keep her quiet the two men accidentally hurt her. (Crushed larrynx, asphyxiation- women are fragile, let's face it. Two big men and one slip in sweaty apprehension and she suffocates. I hate to think of this! This is a first for PVDS and son. PVDS keeps his cool, he's got to. He's gone from sexual predator to monster in one slip, but remember, he's a pro and well versed in the Legal Aspects- PVDS can think fast and on his feet. He drives Joran home and either thru contacts or Stephen Croes, gets a boat and disposes of the body several miles out where he knows the currents will do the rest. He then goes home and the rest is history. Deepak and Satish are in the deep kaka now, but they don't know what happened to Nat. PVDS is sweating bullets but knows son is too afraid to talk. Both men are  afraid of  Mama, who in her own right has had a sneaking suspicion about her son and her husbands nocturnal lurkings, she's just afraid that if she voices these suspicions, they won't go away. I'll bet this woman was abused as a child and covers it up with the Spiritual Leader thing. Been there personally.This family is so dysfunctional they can't see straight, except for PVDS-he's psychopathic with a lot of megolomaniac thrown in. These types could make anyone, and I mean anyone, beieve that whatever they are accused of was SOMEONE ELSE'S DOING. Trained behavior and self discipline can hide wierdness, don't you all think?


thats the long version of what Ive been trying to tell them and I was told I was forcing a ludicrous story down peoples throats.
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« Reply #446 on: June 25, 2005, 12:22:08 PM »

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Ive had someone slip date rape in my drink before but I was never raped so I can tell you first hand what it was like.


Describe it.


I can describe it from what I witnessed.  We're at a bar/dance club in Panama City, friend ("M") is sitting on a barstool, talking to two men.  One buys her a beer (in a bottle) and she starts drinking it.  This was approximately beer number 3 for her, which was NOT a lot for M at all.  Approximately 10 minutes later M falls off of the barstool, on her face, and hits her mouth on the floor.  Several of us saw it, and freaked.  She was not passed out, and was talking coherently.  Said she had no idea what happened.  She was drinking, and just fell on her face, but said she felt o.k.  The two guys (whom I had met earlier) disappeared in the craziness of us checking on her.

We (about 10 of us) left immediately, and we walked back to our hotel.  She was walking on her own, and was speaking, but was very rude and obnoxious acting.  Her sister kept asking, did you take something, etc., and M was just acting very out of character (pushing her sister, cussing her out, yelling at her, etc.)  Got back to the hotel, sister is trying to change M into her pjs.  M is fighting her the whole time - basically out of her mind, could not be reasoned with.  Urinated in the room (not in bathroom), yelling, etc.  M passed out, woke up the next day, no memory of anything after she sat down on the barstool.  Remembered the guys buying her a drink...........then nothing.
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« Reply #447 on: June 25, 2005, 12:22:13 PM »

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Question for the group: Is Joran strong enough to carry Natalee?

If he couldn't lift her (and it is harder to lift an unconscious person), this would be a reason he might have left her on the beach - to go get help.

I'm not saying that is what happened.  I am asking, is one strong 17-year-old able to carry an unconscious person?


Supposedly Scott Peterson carried and dumped a pregnant Laci ....
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« Reply #448 on: June 25, 2005, 12:23:39 PM »

mother thing
dirty dancing
dysfunctional family
sociopathy
did i forget any?  
any correlation to murder?
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« Reply #449 on: June 25, 2005, 12:23:55 PM »

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Question for the group: Is Joran strong enough to carry Natalee?

If he couldn't lift her (and it is harder to lift an unconscious person), this would be a reason he might have left her on the beach - to go get help.

I'm not saying that is what happened.  I am asking, is one strong 17-year-old able to carry an unconscious person?


Supposedly Scott Peterson carried and dumped a pregnant Laci ....


i can tell you that moving a 100 body alone is not easy
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« Reply #450 on: June 25, 2005, 12:24:42 PM »

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Pvds is well educated. Appears Mensa material. He's well rehearsed in schmoozing women: professional, well regarded, feels he's intellectually superior to local intelligences. Telegraphs this to his audience, heck, he did to me! Cruises Casinos and upscale bars before Joran is a twinkle in his eye. A real Pro. Conquests are easy- small Island, tourists replenished daily so little info is passed from tourists to occupants of Aruba. Joran grows up idol worshipping his father. 98% of boys do. Mimics Daddys' ways in the art of schmooze. Booze, low opinion of women, egomaniac. He's now a carbon copy of his mentor. The die is cast at thirteen and Joran evolves steadily .
Timeline: PVDS and son at Casino- Pop is pointing out cuties and imbibing with his underage son.- PVDS with buzz humming proceeds home, leaving son. (Real parental material, no?)-- Natalee introduces herself to Joran, they converse and she mentions Carlos and Charlies'. Joran leaves Casino and Must! Have! Sustenance! Obvious choice for the svelte Joran-- McDonalds. Calls PVDS and on ride home informs his Dad about the hot girl he met and that it's her last night and she's headed to C and C's. This is the perfect setup, what PVDS and son are trained and eager to happen- tourist excited and leaving Island tomorrow, let's tag team her, Dad! I know this sounds sick, but it HAPPENS OFTEN! Kids emulate their parents!.  The facts at this point are muddy at best, so I'll keep with my theory. PVDS drives son to C and C's later, after they get home and make their plans, dropping him off up the street to avoid detection, then PVDS drives home and waits. He knows what time the bar closes and where his son will rendevous with him after the girl"s been GHB'd and taken to the "Lovers Beach" by the Marriot- Both Joran and PVDS have been there many times, this is where they take their prey, always has been. Deepak and Satish drop NH and Joran at beach when C and C closes. They feel squeamish because they know what Joran does to these women, although he's never hurt one yet. PVDS is watching all of this activity from his observation post and moves in when Surinamese brothers leave. The deed unfolds between NH, PVDS, and Joran. NH stunned and drugged, gets hysterical. Trying to keep her quiet the two men accidentally hurt her. (Crushed larrynx, asphyxiation- women are fragile, let's face it. Two big men and one slip in sweaty apprehension and she suffocates. I hate to think of this! This is a first for PVDS and son. PVDS keeps his cool, he's got to. He's gone from sexual predator to monster in one slip, but remember, he's a pro and well versed in the Legal Aspects- PVDS can think fast and on his feet. He drives Joran home and either thru contacts or Stephen Croes, gets a boat and disposes of the body several miles out where he knows the currents will do the rest. He then goes home and the rest is history. Deepak and Satish are in the deep kaka now, but they don't know what happened to Nat. PVDS is sweating bullets but knows son is too afraid to talk. Both men are  afraid of  Mama, who in her own right has had a sneaking suspicion about her son and her husbands nocturnal lurkings, she's just afraid that if she voices these suspicions, they won't go away. I'll bet this woman was abused as a child and covers it up with the Spiritual Leader thing. Been there personally.This family is so dysfunctional they can't see straight, except for PVDS-he's psychopathic with a lot of megolomaniac thrown in. These types could make anyone, and I mean anyone, beieve that whatever they are accused of was SOMEONE ELSE'S DOING. Trained behavior and self discipline can hide wierdness, don't you all think?


Yes, Radiant Orb, self discipline can hide weirdness. At least it did for Ted Bundy. I'm not sure your theory is correct, but it IS plausible.
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« Reply #451 on: June 25, 2005, 12:25:11 PM »

For me it seemed I was drifting in and out of consciousness but not totally passed out. I was burning hot and someone tried to give me an aspirin and I spit it in their face , Im assuming subconsciously because I had already been given something against my will.  I was burning hot, but not throwing up.  Just wanted to lay outside on the beach.  Its just a weird feeling but not a drunk feeling, its like you know something wasnt right the night before but you cant put your finger on it.  Its not like being drunk its like being in a dream.
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« Reply #452 on: June 25, 2005, 12:25:53 PM »

What To Do If Your Drink Is Spiked
If your drink has suddenly been topped up, moved or looks different, don't drink it
If you feel unwell, extremely drunk, or sleepy after only one or two drinks, get help from a trusted friend, not a stranger, or go straight to the pub owner or security staff.


Time Magazine 2002 Invention of the Year award was given to Francisco Guerra for creating a cardboard drink coaster that can identify GHB and Ketamine. All you have to do is place a drop of liquid on the coaster and rub it in with your finger. If the spot turns blue, it has been spiked. The coasters are available with the company (Drink Safe Technologies) and though there aren't distribution outlets here, it can be ordered online.
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« Reply #453 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:06 PM »

Quote from: "arrabba"
What To Do If Your Drink Is Spiked
If your drink has suddenly been topped up, moved or looks different, don't drink it
If you feel unwell, extremely drunk, or sleepy after only one or two drinks, get help from a trusted friend, not a stranger, or go straight to the pub owner or security staff.


Time Magazine 2002 Invention of the Year award was given to Francisco Guerra for creating a cardboard drink coaster that can identify GHB and Ketamine. All you have to do is place a drop of liquid on the coaster and rub it in with your finger. If the spot turns blue, it has been spiked. The coasters are available with the company (Drink Safe Technologies) and though there aren't distribution outlets here, it can be ordered online.


AND BE ESPECIALLY CAREFUL OF THE LAST DRINK BEFORE CLOSING TIME.
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« Reply #454 on: June 25, 2005, 12:28:35 PM »

the scenario stretches credulity on such a small island where there a no secrets.  p. v/d sloot is a public figure.  he is subject to background checks, he has many enemies as an officer of justice.  he would have been found out long ago.
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« Reply #455 on: June 25, 2005, 12:29:21 PM »

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Pv.



Razzy,,,,I agree.....  another one,,,,Steve Croes furnished drug,,,,and still
 bothered by fact it would be easier to unload her at the Mariott....Mariott has bothered me...
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« Reply #456 on: June 25, 2005, 12:31:27 PM »

What factual information do we have about PVDS "womanizing" and/or attitude towards women? Seems to me there are an awful lot of assumptions being made about this.
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« Reply #457 on: June 25, 2005, 12:32:12 PM »

Agree, iquitos... just because Pops and Baby gamble together does not mean they pick up young Tourists and rape them.
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« Reply #458 on: June 25, 2005, 12:32:45 PM »

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For me it seemed I was drifting in and out of consciousness but not totally passed out. I was burning hot and someone tried to give me an aspirin and I spit it in their face , Im assuming subconsciously because I had already been given something against my will.  I was burning hot, but not throwing up.  Just wanted to lay outside on the beach.  Its just a weird feeling but not a drunk feeling, its like you know something wasnt right the night before but you cant put your finger on it.  Its not like being drunk its like being in a dream.


that is SCAREY!!  Shocked


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« Reply #459 on: June 25, 2005, 12:34:42 PM »

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the scenario stretches credulity on such a small island where there a no secrets.  p. v/d sloot is a public figure.  he is subject to background checks, he has many enemies as an officer of justice.  he would have been found out long ago.


Maybe that is precisely WHY JVDS chooses tourists, and why he doesn't victimize the native girls. Because it is such a small island and because there are no secrets. With tourists, his secrets are SAFE.
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