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« Reply #480 on: June 25, 2005, 12:42:44 PM »

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...And FYI she didnt realize she was raped until she turned up pregnant.


Shellbell, thanks for that good information.

Professor, merge this into your theory then.  There could be Joran-victims in Aruba who don't know it. (since it is reported that he bragged about having done this).


i thnk we may have just explained immaculate conception


If you are referring to the birth of my Savior, you can believe it or not believe it, but please don't MOCK it.


"DITTO"
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« Reply #481 on: June 25, 2005, 12:42:52 PM »

Razzy, so many people just don't realize how predation can be a "game", so to speak. PVDS is well schooled AND well heeled. He's living in the perfect playground for it , yet I don't feel he is a "killer'. I think his predation slipped into a horrifying accident and he's in "Damage CONTROL MODE" now. Just a thought.
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« Reply #482 on: June 25, 2005, 12:44:05 PM »

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One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.



Thats the way I see it.  He was not use to someone saying no.
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« Reply #483 on: June 25, 2005, 12:44:08 PM »

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mother thing
dirty dancing
dysfunctional family
sociopathy
did i forget any?  
any correlation to murder?


Yeah...father-son serial "tag team" rapists and perhaps murderers, abused mother and The Tooth Fairy. Smile
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« Reply #484 on: June 25, 2005, 12:44:09 PM »

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One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.

I suspect Natalee was willing...maybe not to have intercourse...but, willing to spend time with this perceived prince charming on her last night in Aruba...a trip to the starry lit beach...little did she know halting his advances would bring on rage from him...

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, date rape drugs would be used in a situation where sexual supply and demand is scewed.

Are there any demographics, profiles, etc. on the use of date rape drugs?
 

thanks for the perpective nancy
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« Reply #485 on: June 25, 2005, 12:45:53 PM »

Here's a good (tho disorganized) site for info - date rape drugs

    http://www.projectghb.org/

It has good links and a pretty informative "booklet" on X.

Click on each drug for more detailed info.
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« Reply #486 on: June 25, 2005, 12:46:04 PM »

Who knows, maybe someone other than Joran slipped something in Natalee's drink. . . . it's just that she ended up with Joran at the end of the night.
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« Reply #487 on: June 25, 2005, 12:46:44 PM »

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Quote from: "nancy_drew"
One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.

I suspect Natalee was willing...maybe not to have intercourse...but, willing to spend time with this perceived prince charming on her last night in Aruba...a trip to the starry lit beach...little did she know halting his advances would bring on rage from him...

It seems to me, and I could be wrong, date rape drugs would be used in a situation where sexual supply and demand is scewed.

Are there any demographics, profiles, etc. on the use of date rape drugs?
 

thanks for the perpecive nancy


what do you mean iquitos?
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« Reply #488 on: June 25, 2005, 12:48:05 PM »

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One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.


Nancy, don't confuse RAPE with SEX.  They are not the same.  Rape is an ACT OF VIOLENCE!
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« Reply #489 on: June 25, 2005, 12:48:52 PM »

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Razzy, so many people just don't realize how predation can be a "game", so to speak. PVDS is well schooled AND well heeled. He's living in the perfect playground for it , yet I don't feel he is a "killer'. I think his predation slipped into a horrifying accident and he's in "Damage CONTROL MODE" now. Just a thought.


I also think it was an accident, the only idea we differ on is the drugs, I dont think he needed them with natalie.  I think she was suffocated or strangled in some sort of attempt to shut her up and or rape her.
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« Reply #490 on: June 25, 2005, 12:49:09 PM »

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Who knows, maybe someone other than Joran slipped something in Natalee's drink. . . . it's just that she ended up with Joran at the end of the night.


I've considered this too.  J wouldn't have expected or known what was happening to her.
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« Reply #491 on: June 25, 2005, 12:50:06 PM »

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Razzy Dazzle!!!!

You're still here? Uhhhhhhhhhh, you've been here all night since we had our last little visit? Hmmmmmmmm  I'm just pouring my first cuppa French Roast.

You're gonna stay up until they find her?  Now that's a rather manic statement.

I do appreciate you showing up, you're the first challening, interesting conversation I've had in days on this forum. Everyone here is grealt...but, 90% of what's discussed is pure fantasy and doesn't look anything like a real investigators notebook!

So what's shakin' today?  I'm going to worry about your responses now that you're going without sleep. What's THAT all about?

~Nancy


nancy Im getting ripped to shreads.  Im not allowed to say what I think because Fox news hasnt reported it yet.  Please help me.


Razzberry, I love your posts!
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« Reply #492 on: June 25, 2005, 12:50:39 PM »

Absolut,

Here's a facts/timeline to get started with...

1) Joran was with Natalee at HI casino Sunday night 6/29
   a) Based on evidence: at least 2 "close friends"
2) No clarity on when they met due to several versions
          a) Based on evidence:  several student interviews give various  
             timeline statements on MSM, and now People mag    
3) Don't know how students paired off for ride to CnCs except for one
    MBer rode with waiter
          a) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
4) Various accounts of Nat & Joran at CnCs, around 12:00-1:00
          a) Seen by each other not touching at CnCs
          b) Dancing
          c) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
5) Upon MBers leaving CnCs, various accounts, from didn't notice to
    checking that she was ok
          a) Based on evidence: other students interviewed by MSM & posts  
              to Scared Monkeys  
5) Natalee left with Joran approx. 1:00 (1:30?)
          a)  Based on evidence: statements from trio
6) Various statements to police, last one being Joran & Nat back to the
     beach in HI area
          a) Based on evidence: various statement changes from trio
              reported by newspapers, MSM
7) Plus 4th and 5th arrests now in the mix
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« Reply #493 on: June 25, 2005, 12:51:08 PM »

There could be a thousand reasons why Joran might want to use a date-rape drug, even though there were many beautiful Aruban girls on the island (Check out the pictures. Are these girls not lovely?). And I shall not speculate on any of them. I don't know much at all about the date-rape drug, but the ladies must surely know how and when and why it is used. This is a thread I cannot follow. I am a geezer, to begin with, and do not understand the motivation of even AMERICAN youths today, let alone ARUBAN youths. And secondly, I don't think most men would understand why anyone would use such a drug.

Note: I am NOT saying that Rohypnol was used. I'm just saying that this looks like a situation in which SOMETHING OTHER THAN ROMANCE is involved.
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« Reply #494 on: June 25, 2005, 12:51:11 PM »

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One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.


Nancy, don't confuse RAPE with SEX.  They are not the same.  Rape is an ACT OF VIOLENCE!


If he didn't use the drug and didn't have any problems with the ladies refusing him, then it wasn't rape.  If you have consent it's not rape.  I'm not psychic, so I don't know what happened.  But, I think we all agree on what rape is.
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« Reply #495 on: June 25, 2005, 12:53:08 PM »

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Quote from: "nancy_drew"
One of the reasons I have a problem with a date rape drug being used is I don't think Joran worried about getting laid....he was cute, charming, smart and for all intents and purposes....a price charming.


Nancy, don't confuse RAPE with SEX.  They are not the same.  Rape is an ACT OF VIOLENCE!


I'm not confusing the two.  However, we've possibly got a situation where Joran got too rough with Natalee in a consensual act of sex...or, he raped her when she refused to go beyond kissing and a little touching.  In the Chambers case he got rough and violent...

What would you call getting rough during consensual sex?  Rape?  Nah...just plain murder, doncha think?

Joran is a big guy...Natalee is petite.
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« Reply #496 on: June 25, 2005, 12:54:22 PM »

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There could be a thousand reasons why Joran might want to use a date-rape drug, even though there were many beautiful Aruban girls on the island (Check out the pictures. Are these girls not lovely?). And I shall not speculate on any of them. I don't know much at all about the date-rape drug, but the ladies must surely know how and when and why it is used. This is a thread I cannot follow. I am a geezer, to begin with, and do not understand the motivation of even AMERICAN youths today, let alone ARUBAN youths. And secondly, I don't think most men would understand why anyone would use such a drug.

Note: I am NOT saying that Rohypnol was used. I'm just saying that this looks like a situation in which SOMETHING OTHER THAN ROMANCE is involved.


Saying you tried the date rape drug willingly is being cool in todays world.  Not only do alot of girls willingingly have sex but they also willingly take the drug for the sport of it, like ex or coke.
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« Reply #497 on: June 25, 2005, 12:54:37 PM »

Okay, just to toss this out there - Steve Croes is a DJ.  Someone else mentioned him maybe picking up extra $$ on the side doing after-hours parties, raves, etc.  Maybe the drug wasn't slipped for a sinister reason (rape, etc) but more like X or LSD for the entire group, and she could've had a bad reaction - physical, mental or emotional?
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« Reply #498 on: June 25, 2005, 12:55:10 PM »

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Hello all,

Just popped in for a quick look.  Have a busy day ahead.  Anything new or significant happen overnight?

-Woody


Cute pic Woody.  Nothing new really happened overnight.  They are going to have an update at 3 pm EST on Fox.
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« Reply #499 on: June 25, 2005, 12:55:12 PM »

arubagirl  In aruba if you drug someone and they die is that pre-meditated murder under aruba law?
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