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« Reply #540 on: June 25, 2005, 01:14:19 PM »

On Foxnews.com:

"Separately Friday, a source familiar with the investigation told FOX the FBI only has three agents in Aruba working on the case, down from seven. The source, who requested anonymity, said the team has been reduced because there is not much to investigate now that arrests have been made."
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« Reply #541 on: June 25, 2005, 01:14:30 PM »

Good point, Lilorphan about Croes working a rave party.  I had not thought of that or seen it mentioned before.  I've never been able to make him fit into the story.
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« Reply #542 on: June 25, 2005, 01:14:34 PM »

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Arubagirl, have you heard anything about forensics testing done in Holland being back and that is the reasoning behind the detention of PVDS?


I know this question was not addressed to me, but DNA testing takes several days and I am sure they are going through every inch of their cars, evidence, etc.  I won't be surprised if takes a couple more weeks or longer. Shocked


I heard on FOX last night that we should expect 7-10 more days before we have an real answers??? I wonder what that meant??
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« Reply #543 on: June 25, 2005, 01:15:07 PM »

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Golden, the police are dead dead dead quiet about this. I haven't heard anything about the results. I'm not even sure that they're done.



is that normal  for the cops
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« Reply #544 on: June 25, 2005, 01:15:17 PM »

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Nancy_drew:  In the Chambers case he got rough and violent...



What is the Chamers case?[/b]


Razzy...tell luna about the Chambers case, you know the details better than I.
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« Reply #545 on: June 25, 2005, 01:16:17 PM »

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Arubagirl, have you heard anything about forensics testing done in Holland being back and that is the reasoning behind the detention of PVDS?


I know this question was not addressed to me, but DNA testing takes several days and I am sure they are going through every inch of their cars, evidence, etc.  I won't be surprised if takes a couple more weeks or longer. Shocked


I heard on FOX last night that we should expect 70-10 more days before we have an real answers??? I wonder what that meant??


70-10 days? That is strange.
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« Reply #546 on: June 25, 2005, 01:16:45 PM »

I find it amazing that virtually everyone (with a few exceptions0 think she was given a date rape drug.

My perspective is that she met Joran at the casino (and had probably seen him around the HI and possibly at CnCs), invited him to CnCs.  And he came even tho he said most people didn't go out on Sundays.

So she introduced herself to him and invited him to CnCs.  He shows up....they dance....they leave together.  She chooses to go with him rather than with the MBHSers.

Where in this scenario is a date rape drug???  Granted there was one report of hearsay that he used the drug....but how reliable is that?

I'm just sayin that I for one don't think a date rape drug was involved.
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« Reply #547 on: June 25, 2005, 01:17:26 PM »

mehill, the capability of the cops to be quiet about this has amazed all locals. They're usually not this closemouthed, big cases or no.

I'm still saying that after AP / CNN / Fox broke the confession story two weeks ago that didn't turn out to be true, everybody just clammed the hell up.

[sarcastic]Thanks, media[/sarcastic]
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« Reply #548 on: June 25, 2005, 01:17:55 PM »

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Just because this guy may not have had a problem getting girls doesn't mean he didn't use a date rape drug.  I've heard of people who have used the drug on women, who had no problem getting women whatsoever.


Right, take a look at the Andrew Luster case. He was the heir to to Max Factor dynasty, handsome, well educated, and he was a serial rapist that used date rape drugs. He even like to film it!
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« Reply #549 on: June 25, 2005, 01:18:05 PM »

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70-10 days? That is strange.


Whoops typo, I meant 7-10 days.
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« Reply #550 on: June 25, 2005, 01:18:33 PM »

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I had to read it 3 times to understand what she meant, but I think shes commenting that their stumbling and resisting assitance comment mirrors what someone does on ghb.  Like they inadvertently gave information they didnt mean to.  Correct me if im wrong but I think thats what she meant.


Okay, then the gentlemanly thing to do is go to the hotel and find her friends and say "HEY, Natalie is out of contol. HERE, you take her!"  Not leave her on a beach!  

Jerk.
 

we have established that joran was not a gentleman.  he should not have left someone on the beach passed out or not.  if he is a pro, as some assert, he knows that prolonged comatose state is the result of this drug.  maybe he has done it before and never heard anything more about it.  maybe it was his first time.  maybe he didn't drug her.  maybe he thought she was drunk.   i know nothing about date rape drugs,  nobody i know has ever had experience with them.  my  kids know about them because i have asked them since this came up in this case. extrapolating from what people have posted here in the last hour, it occurred to me that the three boys first description of natalee's condition as she exited the car at the HI was similar to one scenario described here by razz, i think.  it struck me as odd that they would say that if they had drugged her.
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« Reply #551 on: June 25, 2005, 01:19:15 PM »

I can't remember where I read, or saw this...so it might not be a trustworthy source....

Somewhere it stated the boat owner would not hand over the boat "log" to investigators.  

Also, I recall the owner stating the boat did not go out that night on a typical cruise.  However, the boat can be hired for a private party.  Did anyone ever report on that?  Do we know if the boat went out that night?
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« Reply #552 on: June 25, 2005, 01:20:39 PM »

The report that Natalee was "hysterical" on the beach keeps coming back to me. Where did this come from? This sounds like a symptoms of one of the drugs described here -- whether or not Joran made inappropriate advances.

Maybe when she got hysterical, he couldn't convince her to let him walk her back to the hotel, so he left her?
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« Reply #553 on: June 25, 2005, 01:20:42 PM »

I don't know whether she was given a date rape drug or not, but I'm not sure it matters much one way are the other, since there are so few reports of disappearance as a side effect.
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« Reply #554 on: June 25, 2005, 01:20:44 PM »

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Just because this guy may not have had a problem getting girls doesn't mean he didn't use a date rape drug.  I've heard of people who have used the drug on women, who had no problem getting women whatsoever.


Right, take a look at the Andrew Luster case. He was the heir to to Max Factor dynasty, handsome, well educated, and he was a serial rapist that used date rape drugs. He even like to film it!


Little, did they ever find him? I know he skipped the country to the Caribbean somewhere right?
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« Reply #555 on: June 25, 2005, 01:21:09 PM »

Luna:

Robert Chambers was accused of murdering a girl named Jennifer Levine in central park.  He claimed that they were having rough sex and he killed her in self defense when she started attacking him.  He was said to have been bragging about the sex act before he was arrested.  AFter he was charged and went to trial the jurors were almost hung because he had scratches on his chest (from where jennifer tried to defend herself) and the prosecutors had to reduce the charge to manslaughter in order to get a conviction and some sort of jail time.  If you saw the pictures of jennifer they were hardly a scene out of rough consenual sex, as jennifers neck had a deep impression of Roberts Watch in her neck where he was holding her down.

Many use this prior case a a similar rough sex gone bad scene as a possibility for Natalie.
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« Reply #556 on: June 25, 2005, 01:21:23 PM »

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mehill, the capability of the cops to be quiet about this has amazed all locals. They're usually not this closemouthed, big cases or no.

I'm still saying that after AP / CNN / Fox broke the confession story two weeks ago that didn't turn out to be true, everybody just clammed the hell up.

[sarcastic]Thanks, media[/sarcastic]


How did that misinformation came about? Rudi Croes said he was a victim of misinformation, who would have given him this bad info, and consequently AP/CNN ran with it?  You think I may have been political, since I think the elections are around the corner?
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« Reply #557 on: June 25, 2005, 01:21:49 PM »

Arubagirl,
Did you mention in an earlier post of yours that the refinery is behind the Juron's school?  I think I have read somewhere that the decapitated man worked at a refinery.
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« Reply #558 on: June 25, 2005, 01:22:05 PM »

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I can't remember where I read, or saw this...so it might not be a trustworthy source....

Somewhere it stated the boat owner would not hand over the boat "log" to investigators.  

Also, I recall the owner stating the boat did not go out that night on a typical cruise.  However, the boat can be hired for a private party.  Did anyone ever report on that?  Do we know if the boat went out that night?


Never heard it went out but couldn't the police demand to see the log - failing that Greta should take a cruise and when no one is looking take a peek.
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« Reply #559 on: June 25, 2005, 01:22:48 PM »

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Absolut,

Here's a facts/timeline to get started with...

1) Joran was with Natalee at HI casino Sunday night 6/29
   a) Based on evidence: at least 2 "close friends"
2) No clarity on when they met due to several versions
          a) Based on evidence:  several student interviews give various  
             timeline statements on MSM, and now People mag    
3) Don't know how students paired off for ride to CnCs except for one
    MBer rode with waiter
          a) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
4) Various accounts of Nat & Joran at CnCs, around 12:00-1:00
          a) Seen by each other not touching at CnCs
          b) Dancing
          c) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
5) Upon MBers leaving CnCs, various accounts, from didn't notice to
    checking that she was ok
          a) Based on evidence: other students interviewed by MSM & posts  
              to Scared Monkeys  
5) Natalee left with Joran approx. 1:00 (1:30?)
          a)  Based on evidence: statements from trio
6) Various statements to police, last one being Joran & Nat back to the
     beach in HI area
          a) Based on evidence: various statement changes from trio
              reported by newspapers, MSM
7) Plus 4th and 5th arrests now in the mix


Thank you may we post this in other location that people go to when looking for updates.
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