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« Reply #680 on: June 25, 2005, 02:10:55 PM »

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are there video cams outside McDoanlds?


I am starting to believe that may where the 3am sighting came from. Not from MBHS but from camera's. Thanks to Razzy for that.


I don't tend to get into the timeline debate but if PVDS and JVDS were sighted at the McDonalds near the HI at 3:00am and JDVS had left C&C at 1:00, then to the beach - then the brothers are back at their home at 2:00 - so JDVS is on the beach with Natalee around 1:30 left alone sometime around then - so 1:30 to 2:30 the deed is done - the sighting at 3:00 is after disposal or just before  - seems a very short time for everything to happen and be taken care of before 3:00 - I am rambling - someone fill in the missing pieces
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« Reply #681 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:03 PM »

Thanks, Katya.
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« Reply #682 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:20 PM »

But what I cannot fit in is Croes involvement. I mean nothing that would stand out

Kerin, IMO Crowes is a redherring in all of this and I can't seem to make him fit  either other than providing perhaps information which the authorities deemed an obstruction of justice or inferring with the investigation perhaps?
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« Reply #683 on: June 25, 2005, 02:11:56 PM »

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Rosalie and wantsanswers, I have not heard anything about a maid.

1) there was NH
2) Rene van Hanniken with throat being slit
3) Sergio Gomez with the pick-up at Bushiribana

There were also two suicides, which is also unusual.

I'm not trying to be rude, but not EVERYTHING is related to NH.


Just speculating like everyone else, makes a good mystery novel
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« Reply #684 on: June 25, 2005, 02:12:15 PM »

RB, but then why accuse of the murder/kidnapping thing? Unless it's to intimidate him, but I don't know if that's allowed.
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« Reply #685 on: June 25, 2005, 02:12:35 PM »

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The house wasn't cleaned, the gf prob. had help.


I think that was a touch of sarcasim also. I know not EVERYTHING is related to NH, but......for a small island with virtually NO crime, there sure seems to be alot of crime going on in the same time frame.
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« Reply #686 on: June 25, 2005, 02:13:07 PM »

wantsanswers, I'm pretty sure someone is writing that novel right now!.  Smile
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« Reply #687 on: June 25, 2005, 02:13:41 PM »

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Absolut,

Here's a facts/timeline to get started with...

1) Joran was with Natalee at HI casino Sunday night 6/29
   a) Based on evidence: at least 2 "close friends"
2) No clarity on when they met due to several versions
          a) Based on evidence:  several student interviews give various  
             timeline statements on MSM, and now People mag    
3) Don't know how students paired off for ride to CnCs except for one
    MBer rode with waiter
          a) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
4) Various accounts of Nat & Joran at CnCs, around 12:00-1:00
          a) Seen by each other not touching at CnCs
          b) Dancing
          c) Based on evidence: boy & girl interview with Bill O'R
5) Upon MBers leaving CnCs, various accounts, from didn't notice to
    checking that she was ok
          a) Based on evidence: other students interviewed by MSM & posts  
              to Scared Monkeys  
5) Natalee left with Joran approx. 1:00 (1:30?)
          a)  Based on evidence: statements from trio
6) Various statements to police, last one being Joran & Nat back to the
     beach in HI area
          a) Based on evidence: various statement changes from trio
              reported by newspapers, MSM
7) Plus 4th and 5th arrests now in the mix


Thank you may we post this in other location that people go to when looking for updates.
 

This looks very accurate to me another longtime participant (since at least june 4)

Interesting that only source for Natalee leaving with Joran and the Kalpoes is Joran.  If he had not said that, there would be no case because there not a single person has come forwad to say they saw natalee get into the kalpoes car with Joran.  

NOTE:  The reran Greta's casino to zero hour timeline/walk-through and indeed she said paul said he was at the casino with gambling with joran and then left.  that paul said he later picked joran up at mcdonalds.  that mrs. kalpoe said her boys picked joran up at home, that paul said joran sneaked out.  she also says joran walked home two miles so that must be paul too.   Did she actually run the whole interview with Paul as promised?  If not, why not?  Greta cited sources for most but not all events.
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« Reply #688 on: June 25, 2005, 02:13:55 PM »

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But what I cannot fit in is Croes involvement. I mean nothing that would stand out

Kerin, IMO Crowes is a redherring in all of this and I can't seem to make him fit  either other than providing perhaps information which the authorities deemed an obstruction of justice or inferring with the investigation perhaps?


yeah that's the only thing I have been able to come up with too, Red.
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« Reply #689 on: June 25, 2005, 02:14:22 PM »

littletxlady, that's true. But we don't know if Sergio Gomez was a crime. People do disappear voluntarily. Not often, but they do.
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« Reply #690 on: June 25, 2005, 02:14:55 PM »

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wantsanswers, I'm pretty sure someone is writing that novel right now!.  Smile


and look at all the different possible endings to this story.
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« Reply #691 on: June 25, 2005, 02:15:17 PM »

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RB, but then why accuse of the murder/kidnapping thing? Unless it's to intimidate him, but I don't know if that's allowed.


Is he being held on the same as the other 4?  I didn't think he was, actually, but I could be mistaken about that.
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« Reply #692 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:03 PM »

Didn't JVDS's attorney tell Greta last night that the Arubian government does not consider "obstruction of justice" a crime.  Meaning someone wouldn't be detained for obstruction of justice.  Anyone else catch that?
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« Reply #693 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:16 PM »

RB, I thought he was. I could be mistaken, though.
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« Reply #694 on: June 25, 2005, 02:16:42 PM »

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are there video cams outside McDoanlds?


I am starting to believe that may where the 3am sighting came from. Not from MBHS but from camera's. Thanks to Razzy for that.


I don't tend to get into the timeline debate but if PVDS and JVDS were sighted at the McDonalds near the HI at 3:00am and JDVS had left C&C at 1:00, then to the beach - then the brothers are back at their home at 2:00 - so JDVS is on the beach with Natalee around 1:30 left alone sometime around then - so 1:30 to 2:30 the deed is done - the sighting at 3:00 is after disposal or just before  - seems a very short time for everything to happen and be taken care of before 3:00 - I am rambling - someone fill in the missing pieces
 

the 3 am sighting was posted on another site by a poster named twitty citing MB sources.
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« Reply #695 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:18 PM »

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RB, I thought he was. I could be mistaken, though.


All are the same cept PVDS he is held on a lesser count.
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« Reply #696 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:23 PM »

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RB, I thought he was. I could be mistaken, though.


Shout out to the Monkeys - anyone know fer sure that Croes is being held on the exact same charges as VSDs and Kalpoes?
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« Reply #697 on: June 25, 2005, 02:17:50 PM »

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littletxlady, that's true. But we don't know if Sergio Gomez was a crime. People do disappear voluntarily. Not often, but they do.


Ok, take Gomez out of the equation. Still a lot of crime on an island that virtually has no crime. Just speculation, don't get get your knickers in a knot    Wink
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« Reply #698 on: June 25, 2005, 02:18:11 PM »

blfit, reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly? Mmmphmmm. I do think that if you interfer with an investigation you're in trouble with the law.
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« Reply #699 on: June 25, 2005, 02:18:12 PM »

From Fox News Site:

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.
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