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« Reply #740 on: June 25, 2005, 02:33:29 PM »

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Can't help thinking along these lines:
Joran did the deed
Dad helped directly cover
Kalpoes...guilt by association (told something and agreed to cover story)

But what I cannot fit in is Croes involvement. I mean nothing that would stand out.


Kerin...This is exactly where I'm at.  I wonder just how much the Kalpoe brothers do know?
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« Reply #741 on: June 25, 2005, 02:33:32 PM »

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Croes fits into the story because I believe he sold drugs to Deepak that where consequently used on Natalee... IMO

Think about it why else would someone at the age of Croes have a connection to the boys... he is too old to be "friends" with them.

Police find a cell phone call between Deepak and Croes earlier in the night.  They bring Croes in for questioning and he tells the same bogus HI drop off story to protect himself since he supplied the drugs.  Story doesn't check out and he is arressted the next day....

Makes sense to me.


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« Reply #742 on: June 25, 2005, 02:34:07 PM »

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on Fox they just had an Aruban lawyer or spokespersonn who said that this hearing determines if the 4 can be held for one more 8 day period - the next hearing would hold them for 60

and the hearing on PVDS is to decide on his first 8 day hold

different standards of probable cause are involved - or rather for the 4 it is close to probable cause whereas for PDVS it's still on the suspicion level

the hearing is closed to the public

aside - does anyone have a link to a reliable report of the first meeting of Jug & posse and PVDS and JVDS? I know that they heard JVDS was at the casino but did PVDS immediately say "my son is at the casino" or did he call JVDS on cell and then say - oh, he's at the casino?


He immediately said hes at the casino then he called him.  Then Natalies family went to the casino and he wasnt there and then they went back to his house and he was there.
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« Reply #743 on: June 25, 2005, 02:34:49 PM »

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050625/APN/506250735&cachetime=3&template=dateline

This is a pretty  good article
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« Reply #744 on: June 25, 2005, 02:36:03 PM »

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He immediately said hes at the casino then he called him.  Then Natalies family went to the casino and he wasnt there and then they went back to his house and he was there.


Not sticking up for this theory but the not being at the casino when the posse got there could be as simple as the possible fact that Depak and JVDS were at the Wyndam not the HI.
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« Reply #745 on: June 25, 2005, 02:36:20 PM »

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wantsanswers, I sort of did on my site. Then got hatemail. Didn't like that part

Razzy, a lot of people are convinced that the boys know what happened with NH. But abt who is the most guilty, opinions differ. Are we mad at the boys? We're getting tired of their lying, yes. And making up such stupid lies. God, we're not that stupid.


Don't write it here, do a complete novel with all the locals, the dutch, and even newcomers to the island and how it has affected and changed Aruba. Most people would be interested in your side.
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« Reply #746 on: June 25, 2005, 02:36:28 PM »

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Can't help thinking along these lines:
Joran did the deed
Dad helped directly cover
Kalpoes...guilt by association (told something and agreed to cover story)

But what I cannot fit in is Croes involvement. I mean nothing that would stand out.


Kerin...This is exactly where I'm at.  I wonder just how much the Kalpoe brothers do know?


Not much I think. But if you figure it out, make sure to let me know.  Smile
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« Reply #747 on: June 25, 2005, 02:37:08 PM »

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Compananzi, Hanniken was the guy who was found at the cementary in Sabana Basora with his head almost chopped off.
His  live- in girlfriend was the one who reported the blood in her house which led to the finding of the body. Only problem was that the blood was a day old at the point of the reporting.


His name is Rene van Heyningen and he was a Dutch national who worked at the refinery.
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« Reply #748 on: June 25, 2005, 02:37:51 PM »

wantsanswers, thanks for thinking  that I'm capable of that!  Very Happy
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« Reply #749 on: June 25, 2005, 02:38:03 PM »

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Can't help thinking along these lines:
Joran did the deed
Dad helped directly cover
Kalpoes...guilt by association (told something and agreed to cover story)

But what I cannot fit in is Croes involvement. I mean nothing that would stand out.


Kerin...This is exactly where I'm at.  I wonder just how much the Kalpoe brothers do know?


Not much I think. But if you figure it out, make sure to let me know.  Smile



Croes fits into the story because I believe he sold drugs to Deepak that where consequently used on Natalee... IMO

Think about it why else would someone at the age of Croes have a connection to the boys... he is too old to be "friends" with them.

Police find a cell phone call between Deepak and Croes earlier in the night. They bring Croes in for questioning and he tells the same bogus HI drop off story to protect himself since he supplied the drugs. Story doesn't check out and he is arressted the next day....

Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #750 on: June 25, 2005, 02:38:42 PM »

Thanks, Leslie.
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« Reply #751 on: June 25, 2005, 02:39:52 PM »

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on Fox they just had an Aruban lawyer or spokespersonn who said that this hearing determines if the 4 can be held for one more 8 day period - the next hearing would hold them for 60

and the hearing on PVDS is to decide on his first 8 day hold

different standards of probable cause are involved - or rather for the 4 it is close to probable cause whereas for PDVS it's still on the suspicion level

the hearing is closed to the public

aside - does anyone have a link to a reliable report of the first meeting of Jug & posse and PVDS and JVDS? I know that they heard JVDS was at the casino but did PVDS immediately say "my son is at the casino" or did he call JVDS on cell and then say - oh, he's at the casino?


He immediately said hes at the casino then he called him.  Then Natalies family went to the casino and he wasnt there and then they went back to his house and he was there.


Am I mistaken or are you not allowed to use cell phones in casinos? I'm not a big gambler (except on horses, of course) and don't have much experience with casinos;, but I've heard someone say that you can't use cell phones inside casinos. If so, it would point to the fact that Paul was lieing about Joran's whereabouts, since he wouldn't have been able to get ahold of Joran and tell him to come home.
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« Reply #752 on: June 25, 2005, 02:40:28 PM »

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He immediately said hes at the casino then he called him.  Then Natalies family went to the casino and he wasnt there and then they went back to his house and he was there.


Not sticking up for this theory but the not being at the casino when the posse got there could be as simple as the possible fact that Depak and JVDS were at the Wyndam not the HI.


He stated his son was at the wyndam that monday night not HI.  When the family went to the wyndam he wasnt there, someone stated they felt this was a lie and he never was at the casino.
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« Reply #753 on: June 25, 2005, 02:40:35 PM »

Do not recall ever seeing premeditated.  Never saw it from his arrest to now.  No premediated in the dutch press (see below)
they are all being held on suspicion of complicity in murder, mansluaghter and kidnapping with death as a consequence.  none are charged yet.  

language is important in the law so let's be careful with  how we describe the legal situation.  there are plenty of sources out there to study to stay informed.  i'm lucky, i know dutch.  


Rechter vast wegens vermist meisje op Aruba

Justitie op Aruba heeft een Nederlandse rechter opgepakt op verdenking van het medeplegen van moord, doodslag of ontvoering van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway.

Joran van der S.
De 17-jarige zoon van rechter Paul van der S., Joran, werd precies twee weken geleden gearresteerd. Hij wordt eveneens verdacht van moord, doodslag of ontvoering met de dood tot gevolg. Van Holloway ontbreekt ieder spoor sinds zij verdween na een schoolreisje.

Surinaamse vrienden
Joran en zijn twee Surinaamse vrienden, de broers Deepak (21) en Satish (17) K., zijn de laatsten die in het gezelschap van Holloway zijn gesignaleerd. Van hun oorspronkelijke verhaal dat ze de scholiere na een avondje stappen het eiland hebben laten zien en haar vervolgens hebben afgezet bij haar hotel bleek niets te kloppen. Alle drie zitten inmiddels in bewaring.

Geen contact
Vader en zoon Van der S. hebben al twee weken geen contact meer met elkaar. Normaal gesproken mogen minderjarige verdachten bezoek krijgen van hun ouders, maar de officier van justitie had in dit geval het contact tussen de twee verboden. De officier was bang dat de vader Joran zou kunnen be´nvloeden. De moeder mocht wel bij Joran op bezoek.

Redelijke gronden
Paul van der S. werd afgelopen weekeinde al twee keer gehoord als getuige. De woordvoerster van het OM benadrukt dat er redelijke gronden zijn om de man te arresteren. Hij wordt volgens haar niet vastgehouden om druk uit te oefenen op zijn zoon.

Dj vast
Er zit ook nog een dj vast. De 26-jarige Steve C. Ook hij wordt verdacht van het (mede)plegen van moord, doodslag of ontvoering met de dood tot gevolg. De twee bewakers die als eerste werden opgepakt zijn inmiddels weer op vrije voeten. Zij bleken niets met de zaak te maken te hebben.

Zoektocht
Wat er met Holloway is gebeurd, is nog een compleet raadsel. De politie gaat ervan uit dat Holloway door een misdrijf om het leven is gekomen, ook al is er geen lichaam gevonden. Er wordt nog met man en macht naar de vrouw gezocht.

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« Reply #754 on: June 25, 2005, 02:40:57 PM »

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Compananzi, Hanniken was the guy who was found at the cementary in Sabana Basora with his head almost chopped off.
His  live- in girlfriend was the one who reported the blood in her house which led to the finding of the body. Only problem was that the blood was a day old at the point of the reporting.


His name is Rene van Heyningen and he was a Dutch national who worked at the refinery.


How did you find out what he did? I've been researching this name for days but never could turn up anything except a picture of several men from last fall. I'm impressed!
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« Reply #755 on: June 25, 2005, 02:41:12 PM »

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Compananzi, Hanniken was the guy who was found at the cementary in Sabana Basora with his head almost chopped off.
His  live- in girlfriend was the one who reported the blood in her house which led to the finding of the body. Only problem was that the blood was a day old at the point of the reporting.


oh, I thought that maybe he might be a person that was supposed to pickup a Cocain drop a few days before...but a bysstander found it instead and gave to the police.  Strange was he a Dutchman?  Plus how can a woman do so much damage? Lest she built like a brickhouse...
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« Reply #756 on: June 25, 2005, 02:41:15 PM »

Arubagirl of course you can, start now while the iron is hot.
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« Reply #757 on: June 25, 2005, 02:41:28 PM »

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He stated his son was at the wyndam that monday night not HI.  When the family went to the wyndam he wasnt there, someone stated they felt this was a lie and he never was at the casino.


Somehow I missed that. Thanks.
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« Reply #758 on: June 25, 2005, 02:42:02 PM »

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on Fox they just had an Aruban lawyer or spokespersonn who said that this hearing determines if the 4 can be held for one more 8 day period - the next hearing would hold them for 60

and the hearing on PVDS is to decide on his first 8 day hold

different standards of probable cause are involved - or rather for the 4 it is close to probable cause whereas for PDVS it's still on the suspicion level

the hearing is closed to the public

aside - does anyone have a link to a reliable report of the first meeting of Jug & posse and PVDS and JVDS? I know that they heard JVDS was at the casino but did PVDS immediately say "my son is at the casino" or did he call JVDS on cell and then say - oh, he's at the casino?


He immediately said hes at the casino then he called him.  Then Natalies family went to the casino and he wasnt there and then they went back to his house and he was there.


Am I mistaken or are you not allowed to use cell phones in casinos? I'm not a big gambler (except on horses, of course) and don't have much experience with casinos;, but I've heard someone say that you can't use cell phones inside casinos. If so, it would point to the fact that Paul was lieing about Joran's whereabouts, since he wouldn't have been able to get ahold of Joran and tell him to come home.


he could have it on vibrate to be able to walk out to answer the phone.
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« Reply #759 on: June 25, 2005, 02:42:44 PM »

Why was the beheaded man's girlfriend arrested?  They cannot think that she killed him in such a unfeminine way and transported his body to a graveyard.  What is her name and where does she work?
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