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« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2005, 09:52:38 AM »

accidentally suffocated someone?

oh.. so maybe like he was so huge that the weight of his body crushed her when he passed out on top of her?  Smile


I can't picture any reasonable way you "accidentally" suffocate someone.

He may have "accidentally" overdosed her with slipping a date rape drug into her cocktail.  But, is it then really an accident? What was the intent of using the date rape drug, but "rape" either at his own "hand" or someone elses...
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« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2005, 09:52:47 AM »

I try to look at things with an impartial eye.  To help in that endeavor I try to switch things around and imagine that an American boy was last seen with an Aruban girl.  I examine how my thoughts about the situation changes.  When i do this my thoughts closely match Iquitos posts.
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« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2005, 09:53:32 AM »

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FOX reported that some of the suspects are due in court today at 3:00, and that there will be a lot more news after that.  The Texas search team will start today.  The agreement with Aruba is gthat the search team will in no way be subsidized by Aruba.


When did this report happen?  I ask this because I'm sure we'l need to be prepared for the flood of traffic...


Within the past half hour.


I think PVDS's 48 hours are up, and they will extend that or let him go....


I think more than one deadline is up and judge will rule on all of them.  it is a new judge, not the same one who interogated the three, again brought in from curacao.  It will probably be a long night.
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« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2005, 09:53:47 AM »

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I try to look at things with an impartial eye.  To help in that endeavor I try to switch things around and imagine that an American boy was last seen with an Aruban girl.  I examine how my thoughts about the situation changes.  When i do this my thoughts closely match Iquitos posts.


That's a reasonable, solid approach IMO.
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« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2005, 09:54:30 AM »

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accidentally suffocated someone?

oh.. so maybe like he was so huge that the weight of his body crushed her when he passed out on top of her?  Smile


I can't picture any reasonable way you "accidentally" suffocate someone.

He may have "accidentally" overdosed her with slipping a date rape drug into her cocktail.  But, is it then really an accident? What was the intent of using the date rape drug, but "rape" either at his own "hand" or someone elses...


cover her mouth to keep her from screaming.
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« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2005, 09:54:47 AM »

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getting offt opic here but...our fellow monkey.....
DJ TAYLOR IS IN LABOR! SHE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL THIS MORNING AT ABOUT 1.45!! WISH HER LUCK W/ HER FIRST BABY!


Aww best of luck to her!
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« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2005, 09:54:53 AM »

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getting offt opic here but...our fellow monkey.....
DJ TAYLOR IS IN LABOR! SHE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL THIS MORNING AT ABOUT 1.45!! WISH HER LUCK W/ HER FIRST BABY!


Thank you AIA.  Smile  How about if I create a well wishes thread for DT and everyone can post their congrats to her there?  That way she can get it when she gets back....


THANK YOU SO MUCH! THAT WOULD BE GREAT!
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« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2005, 09:55:03 AM »

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I do not know if this made the board, but they have brought a new judge in from Holland for the 3 pm hearing. The conventional wisdom is that the present judge has heard too much evidence that the Royal Court needs fresh eyes on this case.


Wow - do you think they aren't happy with the present judge detaining one of the judges-to-be??? (PVDS)

Wonder what kind of impact this will have, as "needing fresh eyes on the case" sounds like spin to me.
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« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2005, 09:55:06 AM »

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accidentally suffocated someone?

oh.. so maybe like he was so huge that the weight of his body crushed her when he passed out on top of her?  Smile

I can't picture any reasonable way you "accidentally" suffocate someone.

He may have "accidentally" overdosed her with slipping a date rape drug into her cocktail.  But, is it then really an accident? What was the intent of using the date rape drug, but "rape" either at his own "hand" or someone elses...


It's a moral interpretation wriggling thru this at times, isn't it?
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« Reply #89 on: June 25, 2005, 09:55:07 AM »

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MsPooh, I think that's a double edged sword.  Won't it be something if this takes a swing in a major opposite direction and if some (maybe not all, but some) suspects are released?


That's what I am saying, could this be a case of "can't see the forest for the trees"????
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« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2005, 09:55:34 AM »

I wonder what the average education level is of the people who visit this blog
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« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2005, 09:55:45 AM »

Can someone fill me in really quickly on what's been happening?
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« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:18 AM »

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Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.


Thats a very touching story, but Joran killed natalie, lied to authorities 3times and asked his friends to help substantiate a false alibi.  Try again.
 

I do not know where you get your information.  I can't imagine where you get your insider information.  Are you the Dutch prosecutor handling the case?  Of course Joran is changing his story becasue he lied on the first try.  Too bad he was not professionally interrogated.  Then, we think, at some later time, he was finally professionally interrogated and told another story.  We don't know what that is either.  Has it changed, we do not know.  Is it the same one he told his mom?  We don't know.  

We can speculate until the cows come home, but hey, if we knew, the case would already be solved!  Oh, by the way, how did he kill her and what did he do with the body?  .


Ive studied enough murder cases to know where this one is going.  He probably accidently suffocated or strangled her.


KEY WORD:  accidentially.

We can also speculate that she died of say alcohol poisoning, reaction with alcohol and another medication she was on, aspiration of vomit, drugs someone else administered before the boys showed up.


There is no such word in the English language.  While I appreciate your desire for Joran to get off, most people think he murdered her.  I think he has a violent side.  His own mother said she tries to talk with him when he kicks his brothers.  He is a big person.  I do not think he respects women either.  So more likely, he strangled her to shut her up.
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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:31 AM »

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Can someone fill me in really quickly on what's been happening?


Joran killed natalie,tried to cover it up and the texas search team hopefully will find her soon. thats basically it.
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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:37 AM »

AIA, so thanks for the update.  We missed you and had been worried about her.
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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:44 AM »

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I do not know if this made the board, but they have brought a new judge in from Holland for the 3 pm hearing. The conventional wisdom is that the present judge has heard too much evidence that the Royal Court needs fresh eyes on this case.


Woooo.  That's a big change. The whole our-civil-servant-may-be implicated has gotten some attention, has it?
 did he cite a source.  i heard on one of the news channels last night that the new judge was coming in from curacao.  the old jude is taking up a position in the caribbean court of justice.  that is why he is leaving.
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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:49 AM »

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leaving natalee on the beach does not make you a murderer.


No it doesn't, but why would he leave her if she passed out, why not take her back to her hotel.  Not very gentlemanly of him.  The only thought I have on this is he is guilty of something, being it giving her drugs and/or raping her.  I have a hard time understanding why he just left her there, but who knows if this story is true.


True, DAG.  being a cad doesn't necessarily make someone a murderer.  However, if something accidently happened (the whole mixing alcohol/some substance thing), and he left her there rather than get help, I believe he can be culpable for that.


That's my point, he has to be culpable of something, you just wouldn't leave someone like that unless you are guilty of something.
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« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2005, 09:56:53 AM »

IN the pictures I've seen of Joran, he really does have an evil look. Anyone else notice this? Confused
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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2005, 09:57:11 AM »

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Can someone fill me in really quickly on what's been happening?


Joran killed natalie,tried to cover it up and the texas search team hopefully will find her soon. thats basically it.


Wait, how do you know? He admitted to it?
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2005, 09:57:35 AM »

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Does anyone else find it interesting that Paul VDS was at the Holiday Inn casino when Joran first met Natalee? I don't think we knew that until last night. It could be that Dad summoned his son to meet up with Natalee at C&C's, slip her a mickey and bring her back to HIM (Paul) at the beach.
Deepak's mother said her son told her Natalee was falling asleep in the back seat. The mother also imitated this by dropping her head as though she was falling asleep.

Natalee sees the Dad at the beach, freaks out and something bad happens.

The whereabouts of Paul VDS are not known, his wife was out of town and his only alibi is he was home sleeping.

Just speculating......


How do we know Paul vdS was at the Holiday Inn when Joran met Natalee? Please tell me the source and/or link. I know there was speculation, but I hadn't heard confirmation.

No, I don't think the son brought Natalee for Dad. Why would he summon Deepak and Satish to go with him to CnC's?

It is possible Paul was gambling, or who knows, was with a mistress that night, and that's why his story doesn't match up.
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