RBN #24 6/25/05 Daytime

[RB]

I've been lurking for days but time to speak my mind.  First, I'm growing to like the Dutch justice system.  In fact, I think we should retry OJ and MJ over there.  The second thought is much darker.  Could this possibly have been a snuff movie project?  I read where Joran supposedy was selling porn movies of a gangbang.  Thought it strange both moms in Greta's interviews said police took CD's.  Remember hearing years ago that the underground snuff movies were growing and big bucks.  Just a terrible thought.

Snuff movies, while thought to be real, are urban legend.  Check here:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm

[iquitos]

i will prompt my Natalee addled mind to give some of Greta,  she talked to Joran's lawyer and Kalpoes lawyer.  Joran's lawyer explained the law. Kalpoe lawyer was a little less forthcoming.  Both vouched for paul van der sloot who they know as decent and professional.  Both refused to discuss their case or anybody else's case.  Both said their clients are holding up.   nothing else comes to mind.  you may be able to get a transcript form fox online.  i have never done it but some have.

[RazzyBerry]

I've been lurking for days but time to speak my mind.  First, I'm growing to like the Dutch justice system.  In fact, I think we should retry OJ and MJ over there.  The second thought is much darker.  Could this possibly have been a snuff movie project?  I read where Joran supposedy was selling porn movies of a gangbang.  Thought it strange both moms in Greta's interviews said police took CD's.  Remember hearing years ago that the underground snuff movies were growing and big bucks.  Just a terrible thought.

no, just look at the facts presented so far.  Its really a simple case of a guy going to far and killing a girl and trying to cover it up.

[RB]

Razzy, the problem is that there are very few "facts" to be had. What little we do know gets contradicted constantly.

[Herkimer]

I've been lurking for days but time to speak my mind.  First, I'm growing to like the Dutch justice system.  In fact, I think we should retry OJ and MJ over there.  The second thought is much darker.  Could this possibly have been a snuff movie project?  I read where Joran supposedy was selling porn movies of a gangbang.  Thought it strange both moms in Greta's interviews said police took CD's.  Remember hearing years ago that the underground snuff movies were growing and big bucks.  Just a terrible thought.

Lorenzo: What movies you talkin' bout homie? I ain't seen no steenkin movies...

[Curiosity]

Could someone give me a short summary of what Greta said last night - I don't get FOX

Sandy - this is the FOX page where Greta's transcripts are:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

THe most up-to-date transcript showing is the Thursday transcript. But I would check back later in the day, as they will probably update the page to last night's transcript. Hope that helps.

[RazzyBerry]

Razzy, the problem is that there are very few "facts" to be had. What little we do know gets contradicted constantly.

Just the fact that Joran Lied 3 times and tried to concoct a false alibi tells you pretty much everything you need to know or at least points you in a very specific direction. Innocent people dont change their story 3 times and get friends to lie for them if they didnt do anything wrong.

[RB]

Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authorities in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.

[walls]

RB thanks for that quick info.  Now I can put that terrible thought aside.

[friend of monkeys]

From a cable news insider blog:

Thursday Ratings: In Aruba, Greta Has Her Highest-Rated Show Of 2005
Greta Van Susteren's ratings continue to rise: On Thursday she averaged 2,803,000 viewers, making it her highest rated show of 2005.

FNC's primetime more than triple CNN again last night, averaging 2,696,000 viewers, which ranks as FNC's second highest rated primetime of 2005. (The #1 night was the State of the Union.)

10pm: Greta: 2,803,000 / NewsNight: 535,000 / Scarborough: 280,000 / Grace repeat: 327,000 / Deutsch: 97,000 (scratch

RB.....
SCARED MONKEYS IS CRANKING!!!!!
on 6/18 there were 378,199 visitors since 2/05
on 6/25 there have been 634,045.....

u guys deserve a big bunch of banannas!!!!!!

P.s.   Is Kerin a man???  that was my strange dream last night...a guy wearing a KERINTX shirt at the mall.... more coffe please!!!

[Atlmetroguy]

Good Morning Monkeys...coffee's on!!

[RazzyBerry]

Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authoriries in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.

Joran said they dropped her off at the holiday inn, lie number 1
Then changed to we dropped them off at the mariott.
Then joran said he called Satish to pick him up then Satish called him a liar then he changed it to Deepak.
Then joran finally admitted to being with her on the beach.

This all comes from fox news, if all this is subjective then we know nothing at all and can assume nobody has even been detained.

[iquitos]

Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.

Thats a very touching story, but Joran killed natalie, lied to authorities 3times and asked his friends to help substantiate a false alibi.  Try again.

 

I do not know where you get your information.  I can't imagine where you get your insider information.  Are you the Dutch prosecutor handling the case?  Of course Joran is changing his story becasue he lied on the first try.  Too bad he was not professionally interrogated.  Then, we think, at some later time, he was finally professionally interrogated and told another story.  We don't know what that is either.  Has it changed, we do not know.  Is it the same one he told his mom?  We don't know.  

We can speculate until the cows come home, but hey, if we knew, the case would already be solved!  Oh, by the way, how did he kill her and what did he do with the body?  .

[RB]

Good Morning Monkeys...coffee's on!!

Good morning, Alt  Have we seen anything new reported on Fox?  I haven't turned the tube on yet.  Enjoying my coffee in peace and quiet

[Dublin]

I haven't followed all the threads closely, but wondering what ever happened with the two topics:

1.  What about the man who supposedly checked into the HI the same day that NH did, but there is no record of his leaving the island?

2.  What about the other people that were under suspicion? Wasn't there a kid that was supposedly a half brother to Joran, a child born prior to his current marriage?  

3. Did NH have a laptop with her? Did police/FBI check her computer to see if she was emailing anyone on ARuba, particularly current suspects?

4. Did anyone ever find out whether there was any connection between the suspects and the man who was beheaded?


5. I've read that Beth H Twitty has been seen at the far end of the island two days in a row, leading to suspicion that there is a ransom being paid. Is there any truth to this rumor?  Is she just searching that end of the island for signs of her daughter, or is there any real evidence of a ransom note? I believe that it was a barber that indicated a ransom had been paid.  Anyone confirming that?

[RB]

Razzy, actually that's subjective, not specific for the 3 times lying. The only time I have anyone I'd remotely believe on camera say that the Joran's story has changed is one Mrs. VSD, and that's recent.  Anything else that's reported is subject to validity when the authoriries in Aruba actually release the details of what has transpired in the timeline.

Joran said they dropped her off at the holiday inn, lie number 1
Then changed to we dropped them off at the mariott.
Then joran said he called Satish to pick him up then Satish called him a liar then he changed it to Deepak.
Then joran finally admitted to being with her on the beach.

This all comes from fox news, if all this is subjective then we know nothing at all and can assume nobody has even been detained.

It's reported from Fox news - and I correct my post:  I've only seen 2 people confirm that there has been a change in stories from the trio:  Mrs VDS and Mrs. Kalpoe.  Other than that, there really is no substantiative proof how many times they changed their stories.  Your post reads like it happened 3 times when it could have happened countless times and we don't know it.  That's all I'm saying.

[iquitos]

Razzy, the problem is that there are very few "facts" to be had. What little we do know gets contradicted constantly.

Just the fact that Joran Lied 3 times and tried to concoct a false alibi tells you pretty much everything you need to know or at least points you in a very specific direction. Innocent people dont change their story 3 times and get friends to lie for them if they didnt do anything wrong.

anything wrong yes, murder no.  leaving natalee on the beach does not make you a murderer.

[RB]

Thanks, FOM  You see anything new at all today about the case?

[RazzyBerry]

Joran didn't have to do with what?  What did Joran do after he left the club with Natalee and the Kalpoes?  I don't know, you don't know.

 Maybe Joran did not do anythng more than have Natalee pass out on him.  He left her there  She never showed up at her hotel room and nobody who is talking noticed until the next morning.  

Joran was embarrassed and lied.   He would have been better off not saying anything when confronted by the cops and the family.  Our little story would have been neater.  I would say Joran has plenty of reason to lie, since he lied in the beginning and was caught out.  we don't know how many story changes there have been.  We have no access to the investigative file.  

For me, it is hard to imagine a scenario in which Joran would kill Natalee by himself.  Murder is just too extreme for the imaginable circumstances involving Natalee and Joran alone.  Either it was an accident, or something happend to Natalee after Joran left.  Joran is under arrest and under intense pressure to confess a crime he may not have committed.  The cops are not looking for the truth, but a confession.  If Joran did not do anything to Natalee he can't confess, so he has to keep feeding the cops stories.  That is the same thing a captured military person would do to avoid revealing sensitive information  The Arubans desperately need to solve the crime and have already rushed to judge the wrong guys once.  Absent a body and evidence, they could be grasping at straws again and the stakes are now much higher.  

There is a logical explanation for this but it is not that Joran killed her and then he and others disposed of her body to cover it up.  It could have happend that way but it would not make sense.

Thats a very touching story, but Joran killed natalie, lied to authorities 3times and asked his friends to help substantiate a false alibi.  Try again.

 

I do not know where you get your information.  I can't imagine where you get your insider information.  Are you the Dutch prosecutor handling the case?  Of course Joran is changing his story becasue he lied on the first try.  Too bad he was not professionally interrogated.  Then, we think, at some later time, he was finally professionally interrogated and told another story.  We don't know what that is either.  Has it changed, we do not know.  Is it the same one he told his mom?  We don't know.  

We can speculate until the cows come home, but hey, if we knew, the case would already be solved!  Oh, by the way, how did he kill her and what did he do with the body?  .

Ive studied enough murder cases to know where this one is going.  He probably accidently suffocated or strangled her.

[RB]

Ive studied enough murder cases to know where this one is going. He probably accidently suffocated or strangled her.

You've studied enough to have formed your own opinion.  Good for you!  However, I think some of us would rather keep an open mind.  We can agree to disagree, yes?