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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2005, 04:42:35 PM »

Hooray for your post, does a jury in the united states convict people on bases of rumours aswell ?

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What do we know about PVDS - that he is or was studying to be a judge, occasionally acted as a substitute judge, is respected by his legal colleagues, has 3 or 4 children, a wife who teaches art, has on some occasions gone to the local legal casino.

We do not know how much or how often he drinks
We do not know how much or how often he gambles
We do not know if he has or doesn't have affairs, illegitimate children, etc

We do know that he gave his son the legal advice to say nothing - which numerous attorneys on the tv have said they too would have advised

oh, we know that he doesn't always know if his son gets up and gets to school on time

but then, why let facts get in the way?
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2005, 04:42:44 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2005, 04:43:16 PM »

I am sticking with my theory that even if they round up the Prime Minister, his family, and the entire Dutch Royal Family, and "interrogate" them all until they confess vaporizing Natalee as a group using  classified prototype molecular dematerialization rays developed by Raytheon, and Condi Rice goes down to Aruba personally to encourage closure, Mrs. Beth will be like a tree that is planted by the water until she gets her daughter.
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2005, 04:43:30 PM »

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Absolut - you and RB and Tom and Red and Cat are doing an awesome job given the 24/7 pace here - Thank you!


Thanks. I will pass on the post.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2005, 04:44:40 PM »

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Thats why they can't find her. Why would Joran do that if he didn;t on purpose kill her. His father was stupid to allow this. theyprobably blackmailed Steve because of his drug dealings.


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No, the reason they can't find her is cuz they're not looking hard enough...


I'm hoping they look closer at those mine shafts.........seems like a good place to hide a body........still holing out hope for her being hidden in some house somewhere tho'
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2005, 04:45:07 PM »

An other thing what I really do not understand

Why have all the theories related to the natalee disapearance has to be related with sexs and drugs ????

IS every crime related to sex and drugs ??????
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2005, 04:45:23 PM »

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Im here give me some more theories to poke full of holes.


Maybe Joran is telling the truth. They lied to try to keep from getting involved in this case. Natalee was walking alone from Marriott beach to Holiday Inn when someone kidnapped her.
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2005, 04:45:25 PM »

I have a irie feeling that Joran spoke the truth about that he left her on the beach b/c she wanted him to. His only mistake seems to me that he lied about it. If you hear the next day that a girl is missing and you are 17 years old and am afraid that they all think that you did something to that girl I think it`s humanly possible for some people to do what he did and thus lie...


That`s my opinion .....sue me Wink
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2005, 04:46:19 PM »

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What do we know about PVDS - that he is or was studying to be a judge, occasionally acted as a substitute judge, is respected by his legal colleagues, has 3 or 4 children, a wife who teaches art, has on some occasions gone to the local legal casino.

We do not know how much or how often he drinks
We do not know how much or how often he gambles
We do not know if he has or doesn't have affairs, illegitimate children, etc

We do know that he gave his son the legal advice to say nothing - which numerous attorneys on the tv have said they too would have advised

oh, we know that he doesn't always know if his son gets up and gets to school on time

but then, why let facts get in the way?


Coco we also know he is an attorney (meester in de rechten) and a longtime employee of the Dutch justice system on Aruba.  The reason given in an article in Dutch posted recently by Hennie why they are importing a judge from curacao ffor the case is to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest becaue v/d sloot works in the court on Aruba.

i suspect he is being held on a technicality to pressure his son and i doubt it will work
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2005, 04:46:34 PM »

Abt the mineshafts. If you're talking about the phosphate mine shafts, I've looked in one, besides it's a 14 meter drop.
The other mine, I do not know if people searched them, or the goldmineshafts.

The thing is that the locations of these mine shafts are pretty obscure, only a person really interested in them would know where they are.
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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2005, 04:46:34 PM »

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Im here give me some more theories to poke full of holes.
So----- 1:30 Leave NH leaves C&C's thinking she's getting a ride to HI. She's got the mickey in the system. 1:45 till she's out and JVS unloads her where he plan's to "get some". 2:00 JVS "satisfied" enjoying the afterglow, ready to return NH to HI. Calls in the "taxi" 2:10 "taxi" arrives as JVS realizes something is wrong with NH. The three try to figure out what to do. 2:30 NH is dead and DA3 know it, decide they need advice from PVS. 2:40 arrive at PVS home. 2:45 wake daddy and explain problem. 3:00 Daddy worried and trying to come up w/ a plan. According to Weather.com, sun comes up @6:17 today, probably @6:25 5/30 but light @ 6:00 or a little before. So you've got less than 3 hours for inexperienced murderers to either A: hide a body so that nobody on a 70sq mile island with an average of 1000 permanent residents per sq/mi plus who knows how many tourists won't EVER find it? Are these guys outdoorsmen? They've got shovels and plastic and whatever else handy. They know the "Perfect spot". Nobody sees a car pulling down a back road? Hard to believe. So B: Dump the body in the water. But---bodies float, so -- disembowel the body? Use weights? Where do they come from? How much is enough? How do you get them and the body to where the disposal occurs. It could be a pool on the island -- I doubt it, something would turn up sooner or later. It couldn't be just offshore, the body, or parts of it would wash up sooner or later. Take it way offshore -- maybe but your telling me you organize the boat, personel, wieghts, move the body and get this all done in less than 3 hours. I don't think so, when your a wreck like they all would have been in this situation, NOTHING GOES RIGHT. It just doesn't work. If she's dead, the body was stored to be disposed of later or is still in storage. Otherwise she was handed off to somebody(s) else. I don't know if she's still alive but something isn't right about the "She's dead" theories either.


The time frame on the initial day is a very valid point.  3 hours isnt really enough time to permanently dispose of a body that you didnt plan beforehand.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2005, 04:46:57 PM »

Bendex - we actually do it all the time - we just forget about those cases!

Check out www.wm3.org sometime for one horrifying tale of american justice  - and there we have the death penalty in play!
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2005, 04:47:06 PM »

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Absolut - you and RB and Tom and Red and Cat are doing an awesome job given the 24/7 pace here - Thank you!


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AMEN!!! (wondering if they have a "life" lately)  Very Happy
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2005, 04:47:50 PM »

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Im here give me some more theories to poke full of holes.
So----- 1:30 Leave NH leaves C&C's thinking she's getting a ride to HI. She's got the mickey in the system. 1:45 till she's out and JVS unloads her where he plan's to "get some". 2:00 JVS "satisfied" enjoying the afterglow, ready to return NH to HI. Calls in the "taxi" 2:10 "taxi" arrives as JVS realizes something is wrong with NH. The three try to figure out what to do. 2:30 NH is dead and DA3 know it, decide they need advice from PVS. 2:40 arrive at PVS home. 2:45 wake daddy and explain problem. 3:00 Daddy worried and trying to come up w/ a plan. According to Weather.com, sun comes up @6:17 today, probably @6:25 5/30 but light @ 6:00 or a little before. So you've got less than 3 hours for inexperienced murderers to either A: hide a body so that nobody on a 70sq mile island with an average of 1000 permanent residents per sq/mi plus who knows how many tourists won't EVER find it? Are these guys outdoorsmen? They've got shovels and plastic and whatever else handy. They know the "Perfect spot". Nobody sees a car pulling down a back road? Hard to believe. So B: Dump the body in the water. But---bodies float, so -- disembowel the body? Use weights? Where do they come from? How much is enough? How do you get them and the body to where the disposal occurs. It could be a pool on the island -- I doubt it, something would turn up sooner or later. It couldn't be just offshore, the body, or parts of it would wash up sooner or later. Take it way offshore -- maybe but your telling me you organize the boat, personel, wieghts, move the body and get this all done in less than 3 hours. I don't think so, when your a wreck like they all would have been in this situation, NOTHING GOES RIGHT. It just doesn't work. If she's dead, the body was stored to be disposed of later or is still in storage. Otherwise she was handed off to somebody(s) else. I don't know if she's still alive but something isn't right about the "She's dead" theories either.


The time frame on the initial day is a very valid point.  3 hours isnt really enough time to permanently dispose of a body that you didnt plan beforehand.


Xactly - They didn't have a lot of time. HMMM!
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2005, 04:48:43 PM »

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Im here give me some more theories to poke full of holes.


Maybe Joran is telling the truth. They lied to try to keep from getting involved in this case. Natalee was walking alone from Marriott beach to Holiday Inn when someone kidnapped her.


I agree Hannie and Inspector.. perhaps ..and I say PERHAPS JVS is innocent??  I never did hear anymore about the dude that was on the same flight as NH.. stayed at the HI..and nobody can find his ass either?? Maybe I  missed something.. Anyone hear anymore about that???
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2005, 04:48:54 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2005, 04:49:31 PM »

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I have a irie feeling that Joran spoke the truth about that he left her on the beach b/c she wanted him to. His only mistake seems to me that he lied about it. If you hear the next day that a girl is missing and you are 17 years old and am afraid that they all think that you did something to that girl I think it`s humanly possible for some people to do what he did and thus lie...


That`s my opinion .....sue me Wink


People dont lie about something when they didnt do anything wrong, he changed his story 3 times and brought in guys to cover his alibi.  Thats not being afraid thats called being guilty.
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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2005, 04:50:47 PM »

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I agree Hannie and Inspector.. perhaps ..and I say PERHAPS JVS is innocent??  I never did hear anymore about the dude that was on the same flight as NH.. stayed at the HI..and nobody can find his ass either?? Maybe I  missed something.. Anyone hear anymore about that???

I think there was an article about this on Diario? Don't speak ppmento, but I speak Spanish and it seems related (can somebody translate?):

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/local/

STUDIANTE AMERICANO NO A KEDA ARUBA

ORANJESTAD.(AAN):Tin varios rumornan ultimo dianan aki cu un mucha homber cu ta forma parti di e grupo di estudiantenan di Alabama cual Natalee tabata forma parti lo a keda atras. Un investigacion cu a wordo realiza ta indica cu e informe no ta cuadra cu berdad  ya cu e estudiante G.B. lo ta na Merca.

Segun nos tin intendi, e tambe, mescos cu e otronan a wordo scucha sigur tambe pa FBI , pa asina saca afor si e por tabata sa algo di e caso,  “Natalee”, cu tin masha atencion tanto na Aruba como na Merca, relaciona cu desaparacion di e mucha muher Mericano. Manera ta conoci, prensa internacional ainda ta na Aruba pa cubri e caso aki Nation Wide pa television Mericano.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2005, 04:52:06 PM »

People dont lie about something when they didnt do anything wrong, he changed his story 3 times and brought in guys to cover his alibi. Thats not being afraid thats called being guilty.

That post brought to mind Mark Hacking...pathological liar that he is.
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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2005, 04:52:22 PM »

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An other thing what I really do not understand

Why have all the theories related to the natalee disapearance has to be related with sexs and drugs ????

IS every crime related to sex and drugs ??????


Bendex, as I told Arubagirl earlier, we Americans love conspiracy theories. We start out with logical theories and then, if the case is left open long enough, we will have Natalee being shot by the lone gunman from the grassy knoll.  Smile
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