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« Reply #540 on: June 25, 2005, 08:21:18 PM »

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The Problem is HeavyHEart and RazzyBerry that heavyHearts #1 is the ONLY KNOW FACT It is not correct to present the others as FACTS. Have you seen the Aurbaian Authorities say otherwise? If so please tell us a link so we can go and see it for ourselves. I also find it pretty disdainful to think that the Plice can bring in your father to make you talk. That would NEVER Happen in the USA. Lots of people around the world see the USA as Bullies, like WOW watching this almost 3 week interrogation of a 17 yr old boy and he has yet to confess. Either he is the Devil re-incarnated or he is telling the truth. just my opinion and it is just that My OPINION and not fact....

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Why is it that our opinion must be substantiated with links and facts and yours can just be your opinion to call your own.  It wouldnt be because we disagree would it?
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« Reply #541 on: June 25, 2005, 08:22:08 PM »

I would just like to point something out.  The only real FACT we know is that Natalee is missing.  Anything else is speculation and hearsay given the rules that LE is not supposed to give out info.

Our possibilities are:
1.  She was killed or died accidentally
2.  She was kidnapped and is being held alive somewhere
3.  She ran away and does not want to be found

Personally, I do not believe #3.  We are left to work out different scenerios based on the hearsay we are given.
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« Reply #542 on: June 25, 2005, 08:22:51 PM »

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RED said :"Was it coincidence that the judge missed his plane to come to Aruba to decide whether Paul Van der Sloot continues to remain in custody? Seems like a rather convenient way to get some more interrogation & pressure time in. "

I read on the Riehl site that the plane had mechanical problems and that it would be too late in the evening when he would arrive and therefore postponed the hearing until tomorrow morning.


Maybe there was a death threat.

Just seems a bit bizarre that the flight would be canceled. Mechanical problems, like that was the first time that was ever used  by an airline. However, usually it is the dreaded bad weather excuse. Plane canceled, just adds to all the rest of the drama.

Croes all but said he was arrested for putting pressure on son. Like I said earlier, Aruban officials how about we keep that to ourselves next time.


It was far fetched, aruba girl stated that airline is well known for flight delays and troubles.  Im sure thats what it was.
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« Reply #543 on: June 25, 2005, 08:23:31 PM »

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To re-cap events over the past week - A group of 40 Americans came to our restaurant on Sunday evening, the 29th of May. The group entered the restaurant around 11: 30 pm. As always, all individuals were identified as being at least 18 years of age before entering our restaurant.


Ahh ... Then maybe you may want to explain to the world how Joran VDS was in there at sh um 17? And explain why I have seen how many pics of him in that bar?

Geez, some truth may be nice rather than just a CYA statement.





I was thinking the same thing,RED..they keep saying that they always ID, no one under 18 allowed in...But JVDS look like he's a fairly regular patron..and they have no problem with that.....hmmm....[/b]
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« Reply #544 on: June 25, 2005, 08:23:54 PM »

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Yes mehill, it was 5km.

Red, trust me, those planes fail.All.The.Damn.Time.[/quote


5 km or 3 miles   easy run for someone in good shape


What airline was the judge flying? Note to self ... do not use in the future. Shocked
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« Reply #545 on: June 25, 2005, 08:24:06 PM »

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Nothing here explains why multiple people lied multiple times.


why razzy, there aren't multiple lies being told, there are just an infinite number of adjustments for all the many myths being told in this nightmare. Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #546 on: June 25, 2005, 08:24:14 PM »

Those online who are in Aruba - where is the Texan group's boat - off shore at the Marriott?
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« Reply #547 on: June 25, 2005, 08:24:59 PM »

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Hey guys what are you doing presenting all this as fact!?  Maybe his lawyer lied about that story.  Maybe his mother lied about his marriot story because she hates him and wants him to go to jail.  Maybe Jug lied about him saying that they dropped her off at the HI.  You guys are just speculating!


Theory lithmus test for a theory on a message board usually, sorry to say goes with facts the majority can agree on. This is just fact Smile Since everyone has differing veiws it is really the only way without physical evidence that a group like this can agree.

If your theory doesn't align with that type of test it is your job to bring up topics, links and facts for your theory to gain support. You will have some who support you and in some cases you may have to align with the closest theory to yours and work other details out with that poster. Oddly, what I see from the top of the mountian looking down is people fighting about very similar theories. I also see people posting at a rate of a post every 2-6 minutes. Not sure how you are proving out anything except that you know how to post on a message board. And at times the previous statement is the cat calling the kettle black. Smile


I understand that people are wary of calling any thing a fact in this case given the amount and severity of the misinformation.  But I think people are being skeptical to the point of absudrity regarding Joran changing his story.  We have his mother, a security guard in jail with him, his lawyer, and the victims family, all agreeing that he lied and changed his story.  Yet people for some reason don't want to trust them.  I'm not saying he is a murderer, I don't know what he did, but it is clear that he is hiding something, and i wish I knew what it was.  Lots of things are possible, but that doesn't mean that they aren't absurd and/or unlikely.
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« Reply #548 on: June 25, 2005, 08:25:00 PM »

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I had a different reason for the hearing delay. I'll post at midnight what had if it doesn't pan out.

I know where you are going with this and I think you are correct.  Perhaps need to wait until after 6:00am tomorrow.


are you thinkin maybe a confession of sorts?  Someone did say earlier from watching the live cam from the courthouse, they didn't see any of the detainees....???? questions, so many questions.
I pray for some answered this weekend long with finding Natalee


Nothing that exciting. I am not being trying to create drama either. I will say this it looks less and less like anything, Geraldo has nothing.
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« Reply #549 on: June 25, 2005, 08:25:02 PM »

Do we know if they actually brought the 5 to the courthouse before postponing the hearing? Fox reported that PVDS' attorney was there but were the 5 there or did they know if the "flight problem" in time to keep them where they were? and is PVDS still at polis station while the rest are at KIA?
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« Reply #550 on: June 25, 2005, 08:25:07 PM »

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I had a different reason for the hearing delay. I'll post at midnight what had if it doesn't pan out.

I know where you are going with this and I think you are correct.  Perhaps need to wait until after 6:00am tomorrow.

PLEASE don't keep us in suspense.  Prithee, tell...
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« Reply #551 on: June 25, 2005, 08:25:27 PM »

Or Klaasend, we now have theory 1(a) - she was killed or died accidentally AND we have a pretend kidnapping either to cover the tracks of those involved or actually to extort money, or to effect both.
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« Reply #552 on: June 25, 2005, 08:25:40 PM »

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I would just like to point something out.  The only real FACT we know is that Natalee is missing.  Anything else is speculation and hearsay given the rules that LE is not supposed to give out info.

Our possibilities are:
1.  She was killed or died accidentally
2.  She was kidnapped and is being held alive somewhere
3.  She ran away and does not want to be found

Personally, I do not believe #3.  We are left to work out different scenerios based on the hearsay we are given.



I personally think that there could be no way that she ran away unless she is in a hut somewhere where there is no tv, radio, civilization, etc...NO ONE unless they suffer from some sort of attatchment disorder , could possibly see their friends and family begging for her return and not come forward..i just dont see that one, IMHO....
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« Reply #553 on: June 25, 2005, 08:26:17 PM »

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iquitos, thanks for the assessment of Venezuela. I won't quote it to save bandwidth but was back on Page 17.

The point I was trying to make a while back there was that KIDNAPPING and DISAPPEARANCES are a dime a dozen in that part of the world. Industrial kidnappings and extortion are well-known. That kind of activity requires planning....ergo, conspiracy. Corruption due to the drug trade is self-evident. Aruba is squarely in the strike zone.

As beautiful as the island is, I would love to go there and see it, but probably never will get to do that. However, the negativity about Aruba that all this has engendered will affect the island for a long time and prevent others from going. I have no doubt about that.

The VERY same people who are posting "don't rush to judge Joran" are not coming up with any credible ideas about what could have happened IF JORAN IS INNOCENT. IF Joran truly does not know what happened to Natalee there are only 3 possibilities:

1. she has fallen into other hands
2. she has had an accident
3. she is missing of her own choice

An accident is possible but there is NO evidence of that. There are reasons to doubt that she would do this by choice. So the kidnapping scenarios are as likely as any others.


Has anyone mentioned this before?  

Joran parts with Natalee as she walks the board walk and passes the drug dealers and meet up with her peeps at the pool in HI.  Many of them POed what happened that night in CnC decide to confront her. Remarkable nothing was caught on camera.  Something bad happened.   They find it impossible to rid of the body cept to stuff her in a luggage.  In Aruba due to the amount of people it check in to the airport with no problem.  Since there ia  US immigration, the bag does not get check anymore.  They arrive in back home and disposes the body...Or, Natalee arrives at the pool, joins a heavy drinking crowd, beer flowing, a few hours later, an allergic reaction, she passes out, and cannot wake up. For what ever reason, they opted to hid the fact of this HAZING, and do the luggage scenario.
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« Reply #554 on: June 25, 2005, 08:26:43 PM »

Sandy, I have no idea where they are. I'm a bit surprised that Top isn't giving much coverage to the searchers.

Red, it's BonaireExcel. At least, as far as I know, that's I the only airline that travels between the islands. Unless there is another one. These things change monthly, if not weekly.
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« Reply #555 on: June 25, 2005, 08:26:43 PM »

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On a lighter note, there was a great turnout for the benefit for Natalee's family this evening.  About 300 people came.  They are hoping to raise $20,000 for the family to help them with expenses


Wonderful!  Hope they made their goal--and then some!
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« Reply #556 on: June 25, 2005, 08:26:50 PM »

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The ONLY Fact stated by the Arubain Authorities is that the 3 boys changed the L-O-C-A-T-I-O-N as to where they left Natalee. Everything else is Speculation, while I dont have a problem with theorizing, I do have a BIG Problem with Presnting your Theories off as FACTS. They aren't they are what they are RUMORS and INNUENDOS. I feel for all of the FAMILIES involved, both Victims and the Arrested. I could see the Kalpoes Mother's anguish. At this point all they have done is adjust their story 500 METERS, which in my guestimate is 1500 yards as to WHERE they left Natalee. It is not like they said they left her on the other side of the Island. Joran has also adjusted his story, thats it. As FAR as we know. I have seen a lynch mob before and LISTEN people, when you have a lynch mob you will NEVER get to the truth. By the time all the facts come out everything has been so corrupted byt then that non true impartial judge can ever tell exactly what happened. MAYBEJoran did a dastardly deed,Mayeb he didn't I know that if he is guilty then I want him to pay for his crime. And that can ONLYhappen if the TRUTH comes out and is NOT CORRUPTED.
 I am not taking sides, but here in America you are INNOCENT UNTIL proven GUILTY. I Know the rest of the WORLD is watching us AMERICANS, we shoould show the World we are fair minded people, that want the TRUTH to come out, and this TRUTH should be acceptable to everyone not just the LYNCH MOB......not pointing fingers, but everyne please be respectful for the Innocent people that are caught up in this mess. There are plenty of peple that have a stake in this affair, that will get HURt no matter what outcome...thanx...

GuyWdog


Well, the Kalpoe brothers did try to implicate innocent people in Natalee's  disappearance, and that was part of their original statement and has since changed.  Also their original statement said they dropped just natalee off, and then it changed to Joran and Natalee.  

I don't think the Aruban authorities have cornered the market on factual information, and how well can you trust any government institution.  

Anericans are presumed innocent UNDER THE LAW.  Americans are allowed to think whatever they want about guilt or innocence as long as they aren't the judge or jury.  

Other than that, I agree with your post.
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« Reply #557 on: June 25, 2005, 08:27:39 PM »

Sandy, I have no idea where they are. I'm a bit surprised that Top isn't giving much coverage to the searchers.

Red, it's BonaireExcel. At least, as far as I know, that's I the only airline that travels between the islands. Unless there is another one. These things change monthly, if not weekly.
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« Reply #558 on: June 25, 2005, 08:28:46 PM »

Why did they stop the search before dark?
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« Reply #559 on: June 25, 2005, 08:28:49 PM »

"5 km or 3 miles easy run for someone in good shape"

Except all indications from people who know JvdS are that Joran would not be *caught dead* walking anywhere.
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