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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2005, 11:43:21 PM »

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nikki... it was a question. And one I think I can answer. No, the damn beach has not been dug up and if there were cadaver dogs in Aruba then the Texans would not be bringing them.


OK. Didn't the LE dig up the beach at the Marriott (forgot to add that to timeline)? With the too-happy panty guy and the radio station calling for diggers in the morning before the LE got there in the afternoon? Hasn't this area been thoroughly searched? Tuesday June 14.



Also I think Nat was on de palm tours on the 29th, from 930 - 2 pm.  I don't think all 140 MB students could jump on this boat.

Also Deepak does not end work at 10pm, according to the mom he finishes at 11pm.

Also the Soul beach Festival was from 7-11pm. starring Lauryn Hill..Nat could have been there..


so you have this all in one place, was Anita already questioned?  why does jug not know it or does he want more?
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« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2005, 11:43:24 PM »

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nikki... it was a question. And one I think I can answer. No, the damn beach has not been dug up and if there were cadaver dogs in Aruba then the Texans would not be bringing them.


OK. Didn't the LE dig up the beach at the Marriott (forgot to add that to timeline)? With the too-happy panty guy and the radio station calling for diggers in the morning before the LE got there in the afternoon? Hasn't this area been thoroughly searched? Tuesday June 14.



Also I think Nat was on de palm tours on the 29th, from 930 - 2 pm.  I don't think all 140 MB students could jump on this boat.

Also Deepak does not end work at 10pm, according to the mom he finishes at 11pm.

Also the Soul beach Festival was from 7-11pm. starring Lauryn Hill..Nat could have been there..


Natalee was said to not have taken the cruise but went snorkeling.  Depak's mother was very clear, his quiting time was not usually when he left.  Many times he worked later to help.  She had no difinitive time as she didn't know.

Why couldn't Natalee have attended the concert? She could have gone early to see some of the music and left.
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« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2005, 11:43:52 PM »

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Companzi stated:"I think its a bit disgusting to see Jug smile with glee at Paul's arrest. He'll probably be so happy if they charge AVDS as well. "

I suspect Jug was reacting with the manner PVDS obstructed the investigation the first night.


Regarding Jug's description of PVDS' and Deepak's obstruction the first night, in how (I assume) they both were telling JVDS (who Jug says wanted to help) "not to say anything." I personally think that is really why PVDS was arrested. But more curiously to me, how does Jug's description of that night jive with  Beth's, who claimed that JVDS was rude and arrogant to her?


It would not surprise me the posey that came down was tired, angry and focused all their frustration right or wrongly on PVDS and JVDS.  Having people yell obscenities and accusing you of kidnapping might I say might raise some one to be defensive.  I do not see anything strange the way the Van Sloots acted and being the law gear head that Paul is its natural that training kicks in.  Whether you are innocent or not the best thing is to keep quiet and let the lawyers do the talking.   PVDS, did say to Jug " you have no manners" I think that might have been a reference to his fould mouth sailor vocabulary...just my opinion.
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« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2005, 11:44:24 PM »

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This mat be moot,but PVDS was not working prior to NH's appearence on the island. He was trying to get some type of position in the justice dept, clerical or something to that nature. People have posted that a part time judge doesn't make a very hefty salary anyway, but he was out of work. His wife is a teacher. Who was paying for nights out on the town and gambling? And was Mrs in Holland for a week? that would have menat the other two children were home, at school all week? Does anyone know?


Maybe everyone but Joran went to Holland. it was some kind of family thing and Paul may have tied it in with work-related issues. Maybe he came back alone Sunday and Mom came back with the 2 younger boys wednesday. Because remember that post on Valentijn's website telling him to have fun in Holland? (or something like that)
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« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2005, 11:44:55 PM »

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We have stories from early on that this was not the case. The police were willling to wait 48 hours. It took the info from the family and the reaction of the VDS pair to get the report.
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« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:03 PM »

>>Kipster, urm, it's a backyard. To take a picture I would have to go the back of the house. I'm pretty sure that the walls are high, and my camera can't take pictures through walls, so that's not going to happen.

Urm, sorry, most American backyards are not walled compounds. One of those periscope digicams and a ladder coming your way via container ship. Smile
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« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:20 PM »

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WTF have u been???
I'm almost at 1,000....
LOL... I saw that Very Happy But I haven't too much patience to spend my time hearing only SIDED opinions.
I'm furious when I see "Tupperware" brainstorms Rolling Eyes so... I take my "papers" and go to the beach Wink


yeah-nice job if u can get it!!!
u must know TTown Mike....LAZYASSS he said it himself!!!!
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« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:21 PM »

THe first reports said she went to the BOYZIIMEN concert, and then out to eat at CnC's. I'm not sure of the timeline.
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« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2005, 11:45:43 PM »

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Companzi stated:"I think its a bit disgusting to see Jug smile with glee at Paul's arrest. He'll probably be so happy if they charge AVDS as well. "

I suspect Jug was reacting with the manner PVDS obstructed the investigation the first night.


Regarding Jug's description of PVDS' and Deepak's obstruction the first night, in how (I assume) they both were telling JVDS (who Jug says wanted to help) "not to say anything." I personally think that is really why PVDS was arrested. But more curiously to me, how does Jug's description of that night jive with  Beth's, who claimed that JVDS was rude and arrogant to her?


It wanted to help in the beginning, before he father told him to shut up. After the heated arguments and her mother was clutching Natalee's picture, she said she wanted her daughter, that is when he said What do you want me to do about it. It was during the heated discussion before they left.
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« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2005, 11:46:22 PM »

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Compananzi - I'm not sure I follow your post but I do feel queazy about the speed of response from the Natalee's parents and the level of it. I could imagine Beth and Jug flying in to "wait for Natalee" and ask questions and push the police to investigate but there's something about Jug and 5 buddies (I think that's what he said the other night) and the FBI and the DEA all descending that fast - coupled with the complete shutdown of any negative info or even informational info from MB students that sits in the back of my mind nagging. Not even speculating here, just recording uneasiness on this score.



Some of you guys are really grasping at straws here.

Of course her parents are going to fly down their the first chance they get.  They know their daughter and if they feel that she is not the type of person to be late or irresponsible then they are going to go and try and find her as soon as they can when they find out she is missing.

Too my knowledge their hasnt been a shutdown of any negative info, only that their isn't really any to report.  By all accounts she seems to be a fairly good person.  Sticking up for your daughter/friend and saying that she is a good person is hardly a shutdown of any negative info.  ANd actually a lot of the MB students have given info.  From the interviews on Fox to interviews they have done with local papers.  Hardly a shutdown on information.  

The DEA agent was already in the island for an unrelated reason and was in the best position to help the family that is why he was involved.  

As to the FBI who knows?  Maybe the family has connections.
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« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2005, 11:46:27 PM »

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If Joran were to turn 18 before he is charged with murder, could he then be tried as an adult?
Technicaly what "counts" is the date of the "crime".
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« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2005, 11:46:47 PM »

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Do we know if LE ever took anyone back to the beach drop off spot(if there was one) to look for any evidance?


I would have JVDS out there every night at 3am in the dark. Then place a tape over loud speakers with Natalees voice.


My point was if LE has not indcated where the drop off on the  was by searchng a particular area they may think the Beach story is another Lie
Where is  the beach from the area oidentifed on the time line.(HOW was THIS IDENTIFIED)
6:30 am Call to or from Joranís cellphone in area of Santa Lucia

"I would have JVDS out there every night at 3am in the dark. Then place a tape over loud speakers with Natalees voice." Your are too nice Let BTh or Jug spend 15-30 min, with him.

BTW has anyone aked for a POLY to prove they are not Lying?


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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2005, 11:47:01 PM »

As far as the shut down of information from the MB students, I don't think that anyone is telling them not to talk.  I think that it is their choice to do this.  They have got to be feeling guilty about what happened to her and therefore at this point are being very protective of her and not saying anything that would put her or her family in a bad light.
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« Reply #113 on: June 25, 2005, 11:47:02 PM »

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This mat be moot,but PVDS was not working prior to NH's appearence on the island. He was trying to get some type of position in the justice dept, clerical or something to that nature. People have posted that a part time judge doesn't make a very hefty salary anyway, but he was out of work. His wife is a teacher. Who was paying for nights out on the town and gambling? And was Mrs in Holland for a week? that would have menat the other two children were home, at school all week? Does anyone know?


Maybe everyone but Joran went to Holland. it was some kind of family thing and Paul may have tied it in with work-related issues. Maybe he came back alone Sunday and Mom came back with the 2 younger boys wednesday. Because remember that post on Valentijn's website telling him to have fun in Holland? (or something like that)


Can you imagine Paul coming to Aruba at 5pm sunday, then less then 10 hours later all hell breaks loose?
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« Reply #114 on: June 25, 2005, 11:47:48 PM »

Per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160231,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to any of her friends that saw her on May 30 because she left Carlos and Charlie's?

TWITTY: Not in person. I really have not.

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Am I supposed to think that she didn't speak to them at all or that she spoke to them via phone?
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« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2005, 11:48:49 PM »

Does anyone know if the Aruban authorities or the FBI has the full archive of Joran's websites before they were altered or taken down?

If, in fact, Joran drugged and raped Natalee, it is quite plausible that she was not the first victim; just the first to die.

If the names of the American girls whose photos appear on his sites can be identified, they should each be contacted and asked the nature of their relations and contact with him.  

I would be most curious to know which of these girls recall spending their last night in Aruba with Joran.

I believe his MO would be to prey upon already intoxicated girls who would have a murky recollection and questionable credibility.

Even if Natalee's death was drug-induced but unintentional, Joran may well have tried to cover it up because it's unlikely to be perceived as consensual if Natalee was a virgin prior to that night.
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« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2005, 11:49:26 PM »

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Is it true on top of it that Beth was in Arkansas and had to drive home first?


I think that's what the "People" article says. She tried to get a police escort and couldn't, so she was doing 110 mph and got pulled over, told them what had happened and then I think she got an escort.
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« Reply #117 on: June 25, 2005, 11:49:46 PM »

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Your are too nice Let BTh or Jug spend 15-30 min, with him.


I am a big fan of non violent passive torture. Natalees voice on that beach at the same time every night would be a sound that would kill him inside.
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« Reply #118 on: June 25, 2005, 11:49:55 PM »

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As far as the shut down of information from the MB students, I don't think that anyone is telling them not to talk.  I think that it is their choice to do this.  They have got to be feeling guilty about what happened to her and therefore at this point are being very protective of her and not saying anything that would put her or her family in a bad light.


I think that interview with O'Reilly was very revealing, the male MB appears much more open and honest and not trying to paint some kinda of Stepford image of Nat.  We learned from his info and Bill's questions the following.
1. nat and Joran met days prior maybe up to 3 days before the dissapearance.
2. The played poker together.
3. He did not see anthing wrong with Nat and Joran hanging out at CnC
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« Reply #119 on: June 25, 2005, 11:50:15 PM »

What is this story today about Paulus being unemployed?  

He was appointed to his KABNA job in January, 2003, for a period of three years.  There, he was deputy member of the Common Court of Justice of the N.A. and Aruba, serving as under-secretary to the Attorney-General.

While he was doing this job, he was also studying for a judgeship and had taken the entrance tests once without passing, so he had been given a few cases to hear part-time (3-4 per month, I read somewhere) in preparation for again trying for a full-time judgeship.

So, where did they get that he was unemployed while he was doing this?  He still had his regular job, he was just trying to move up and hadn't made it yet.

I know Geraldo "announced" tonight that Paulus flunked the judge tests a week before Natalee went to Aruba, and that he had no job, but isn't this just like all the other bologna Geraldo mis-announced last time he was in Aruba?

Last week, before PvdS was *detained* but while all this was going on, Anita said that they had taken Paulus's cases away from him--and he was without work--but as I see it, all this latest stuff was because of the case.  Someone had loaned him a nice Mercedes he was driving every day and they *said* he was going to work in it.

Strange that much of GR's story is the one we already heard, except PvdS was *not* unemployed.  This smells a bit.
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