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« Reply #120 on: June 25, 2005, 11:50:55 PM »

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Compananzi - I'm not sure I follow your post but I do feel queazy about the speed of response from the Natalee's parents and the level of it. I could imagine Beth and Jug flying in to "wait for Natalee" and ask questions and push the police to investigate but there's something about Jug and 5 buddies (I think that's what he said the other night) and the FBI and the DEA all descending that fast - coupled with the complete shutdown of any negative info or even informational info from MB students that sits in the back of my mind nagging. Not even speculating here, just recording uneasiness on this score.



Some of you guys are really grasping at straws here.

Of course her parents are going to fly down their the first chance they get.  They know their daughter and if they feel that she is not the type of person to be late or irresponsible then they are going to go and try and find her as soon as they can when they find out she is missing.

Too my knowledge their hasnt been a shutdown of any negative info, only that their isn't really any to report.  By all accounts she seems to be a fairly good person.  Sticking up for your daughter/friend and saying that she is a good person is hardly a shutdown of any negative info.  ANd actually a lot of the MB students have given info.  From the interviews on Fox to interviews they have done with local papers.  Hardly a shutdown on information.  

The DEA agent was already in the island for an unrelated reason and was in the best position to help the family that is why he was involved.  

As to the FBI who knows?  Maybe the family has connections.


They are friends with Jeff Sessions, I think he is a senator.
Coco, would you not do the same for your daughter or son? I would walk on water, I would even kill for my child. Unless it happens to you, you cannot understand the pain and having to do something right then, You can not sit back and wait, the first 48 hours are the most crucial. I would call on anyone I new to help, they are just fortunate to have many friends and also ones with healthy bank accounts that can help them.
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« Reply #121 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:01 PM »

arubagirl, I think they went directly to the VDS house because the evidence they had was that Joran was the guy Natalee had met before. There was...and IS... NO evidence, not ONE SHRED, that Natalee had seen or met the Kalpoes before and for all we know, she thought they were taxi drivers.
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« Reply #122 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:04 PM »

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This mat be moot,but PVDS was not working prior to NH's appearence on the island. He was trying to get some type of position in the justice dept, clerical or something to that nature. People have posted that a part time judge doesn't make a very hefty salary anyway, but he was out of work. His wife is a teacher. Who was paying for nights out on the town and gambling? And was Mrs in Holland for a week? that would have menat the other two children were home, at school all week? Does anyone know?


Maybe everyone but Joran went to Holland. it was some kind of family thing and Paul may have tied it in with work-related issues. Maybe he came back alone Sunday and Mom came back with the 2 younger boys wednesday. Because remember that post on Valentijn's website telling him to have fun in Holland? (or something like that)


Can you imagine Paul coming to Aruba at 5pm sunday, then less then 10 hours later all hell breaks loose?



maybe...so then as R? would say......
come on down Anita!!

and also
Rob is currently in aruba and absolut asked earlier if there were any special requests....
so far...shark feed place/ north lighthouse/marriot beach at night....
interestingly dark I imagine...

any other requests????
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« Reply #123 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:16 PM »

That's interesting because that's the first I heard that Paulus may have gone and returned early. First AVDS said she was gone for the weekend, then the week. I think there were some off days earlier in the month for staff, just wondered why she would be out of town during the week before finals if she taught and had children in school.
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« Reply #124 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:34 PM »

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so you have this all in one place, was Anita already questioned?  why does jug not know it or does he want more?


I am curious, (and not to start the whole "don't blame the victim because I think we all know I would never do that) does anyone realize that if this crime happened in teh US the Twitty's and Holloway's would be throughly investigated as normal procedure?

I am kind of curious as to why everyone thought it was such an outrageous thought for anyone to have suiggested it. I mean in the US they would have already raided Natalee's room etc etc looking for any clues and leaving no stone unturned.
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« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:47 PM »

Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.
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« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:49 PM »

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As far as the shut down of information from the MB students, I don't think that anyone is telling them not to talk.  I think that it is their choice to do this.  They have got to be feeling guilty about what happened to her and therefore at this point are being very protective of her and not saying anything that would put her or her family in a bad light.


I think that interview with O'Reilly was very revealing, the male MB appears much more open and honest and not trying to paint some kinda of Stepford image of Nat.  We learned from his info and Bill's questions the following.
1. nat and Joran met days prior maybe up to 3 days before the dissapearance.
2. The played poker together.
3. He did not see anthing wrong with Nat and Joran hanging out at CnC


No one is painting a stepford image of Natalee.  They are saying she was a good girl who was responsible, smart and level-headed.  No one has said that she was perfect.  And none of the points you listed would even contradict a stepford (unrealistic) image of her.  Is it so hard for people to believe that she was a good person?
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« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2005, 11:52:58 PM »

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Does anyone know when Joran's birthday is?

My understanding is that no one has yet been formally arraigned.

If Joran were to turn 18 before he is charged with murder, could he then be tried as an adult?


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« Reply #128 on: June 25, 2005, 11:53:27 PM »

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Your are too nice Let BTh or Jug spend 15-30 min, with him.


I am a big fan of non violent passive torture. Natalees voice on that beach at the same time every night would be a sound that would kill him inside.


I see what you are saying...   I still think that BTH could get some info from him.  JUG would of course be that absolut (no pun) resort.

But Lhas Le been in particular are of the beach.

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« Reply #129 on: June 25, 2005, 11:54:31 PM »

I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.
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« Reply #130 on: June 25, 2005, 11:54:41 PM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

But, since her friends obviously didn't know where she was at all times, isn't it possible she met Joran before 5/29?
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« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2005, 11:54:48 PM »

arubagirl:
>>Am I supposed to think that she didn't speak to them at all or that she spoke to them via phone?

Pretty obvious the FBI spoke to them and told her what to say.
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« Reply #132 on: June 25, 2005, 11:55:18 PM »

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if Paul van der Sloot heard something (i.e. NH talking) or saw something, he has to tell.

If Joran told him something (dad, this is what happened to her), then he doesn't have to tell.


Arubagirl, have you heard any rumor that Joran is literally biting his tongue to make himself unable to speak? A source elsewhere (who has been almost as reliable as you) stated it a few times. He did not confirm or deny when someone translated it as being in the literal sense, and did refer to it as the boy's poor bloody tongue.
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« Reply #133 on: June 25, 2005, 11:55:21 PM »

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Jug and Beth Twitty are the kind of people who're determined to find their daughter and they really don't care too much what anyone thinks of why or how they go about it! They are VICTIMS and they don't need all the finger-pointing at them right now. They are more worried about RESULTS than IMAGE.


You are so right but they are not home, they are in a foreign country with a different legal system and their antics can backfire on them.  What, for example if they change the venue to a less vulnerable place, like the Netherlands.  Would they have as easy a time of bullying there.  Beth could stay in Aruba to find her daughter but all the action would be somewhere else.  Somebody said sugar works better than vinegar or something like that.  They can pressure in camera but should be careful publicly.  Note the stark contrast between Mr. Hollaway and Mr. Twitty.  I think Holloway will get further than Twitty with the locals.  BTW, there is such a thing as too much media face time by the principles.  Sometimes it is better to dose that out and use a spokesperson.
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« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2005, 11:55:38 PM »

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so you have this all in one place, was Anita already questioned?  why does jug not know it or does he want more?


I am curious, (and not to start the whole "don't blame the victim because I think we all know I would never do that) does anyone realize that if this crime happened in teh US the Twitty's and Holloway's would be throughly investigated as normal procedure?

I am kind of curious as to why everyone thought it was such an outrageous thought for anyone to have suiggested it. I mean in the US they would have already raided Natalee's room etc etc looking for any clues and leaving no stone unturned.


Because they were not there on the island at her disappearance. I am sure they check her computer, room, everything a t her home. remember they were there talking to her friends and relatives and kids from the trip
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« Reply #135 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:27 PM »

I have a gov report by a committe expressing concerns that 16-18 y.o.'s can be tried as adults according to the nature of the crime. Unless the laws have he could be tried as an adult relative to the nature of the charge, like in US.
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« Reply #136 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:29 PM »

The FBI told Beth Twitty what to say? I'm not following you, kipster.

But she introduced herself to him, klaassend, so I'm taking that as a first meeting.
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« Reply #137 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:29 PM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

But, since her friends obviously didn't know where she was at all times, isn't it possible she met Joran before 5/29?


maybe on-line??? what a shock!!!


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« Reply #138 on: June 25, 2005, 11:56:56 PM »

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Well, Sb, I'm curious why she went to JvdS house, and not for example the Kalpoe's house.


because the kids (and Natalee's twin cousins) from MBHS recognized Joran as someone they'd seen before at the casino and some saw her get in the car with him. the twins played poker with him. Joran had to sign in for the game he played at the casino. that's how they got his name. asked for his address. went there. Don't think they knew about the Kalpoes until they meet Deepak at the v.d.Sloots.
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« Reply #139 on: June 25, 2005, 11:57:17 PM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

But, since her friends obviously didn't know where she was at all times, isn't it possible she met Joran before 5/29?


That is what I think, and it makes sense given what was earlier said about them meeting 2 days before.  
But with all the misinformation flying around who knows?
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