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« Reply #140 on: June 25, 2005, 11:58:02 PM »

Lil, I haven't heard anything of the sort. Not to say that's not true.
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« Reply #141 on: June 25, 2005, 11:58:11 PM »

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As far as the shut down of information from the MB students, I don't think that anyone is telling them not to talk.  I think that it is their choice to do this.  They have got to be feeling guilty about what happened to her and therefore at this point are being very protective of her and not saying anything that would put her or her family in a bad light.


I think that interview with O'Reilly was very revealing, the male MB appears much more open and honest and not trying to paint some kinda of Stepford image of Nat.  We learned from his info and Bill's questions the following.
1. nat and Joran met days prior maybe up to 3 days before the dissapearance.
2. The played poker together.
3. He did not see anthing wrong with Nat and Joran hanging out at CnC


I think many more kids would have to be interviewed, as the FBI did, before I would make any firm statement.  Kids see different things at different times from different perspectives.  Two kids is too few to get a good timeline.
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« Reply #142 on: June 25, 2005, 11:58:32 PM »

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arubagirl, I think they went directly to the VDS house because the evidence they had was that Joran was the guy Natalee had met before. There was...and IS... NO evidence, not ONE SHRED, that Natalee had seen or met the Kalpoes before and for all we know, she thought they were taxi drivers.


Her close friends interveiwed said at 12:30 Joran and his friends came into CNC and it was the brothers with him.
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« Reply #143 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:13 PM »

Who gives a RAT'S ASS when NH and Baby met? What the hell difference does it make. Lacy Peterson knew the person who killed her pretty darn well.
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« Reply #144 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:13 PM »

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Compananzi - I'm not sure I follow your post but I do feel queazy about the speed of response from the Natalee's parents and the level of it. I could imagine Beth and Jug flying in to "wait for Natalee" and ask questions and push the police to investigate but there's something about Jug and 5 buddies (I think that's what he said the other night) and the FBI and the DEA all descending that fast - coupled with the complete shutdown of any negative info or even informational info from MB students that sits in the back of my mind nagging. Not even speculating here, just recording uneasiness on this score.



Some of you guys are really grasping at straws here.

Of course her parents are going to fly down their the first chance they get.  They know their daughter and if they feel that she is not the type of person to be late or irresponsible then they are going to go and try and find her as soon as they can when they find out she is missing.

Too my knowledge their hasnt been a shutdown of any negative info, only that their isn't really any to report.  By all accounts she seems to be a fairly good person.  Sticking up for your daughter/friend and saying that she is a good person is hardly a shutdown of any negative info.  ANd actually a lot of the MB students have given info.  From the interviews on Fox to interviews they have done with local papers.  Hardly a shutdown on information.  

The DEA agent was already in the island for an unrelated reason and was in the best position to help the family that is why he was involved.  

As to the FBI who knows?  Maybe the family has connections.


Any ideas why if the whole family know that JVDS was the prime suspect that a lame poster was sent out and the first tv appearance was in the similar vane? (confirmed info) I need a good explanation so I can rest it aside..

http://www.geocities.com/dutch_on_aruba/nhposteraruba.jpg.
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« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:16 PM »

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Is it true on top of it that Beth was in Arkansas and had to drive home first?


I think that's what the "People" article says. She tried to get a police escort and couldn't, so she was doing 110 mph and got pulled over, told them what had happened and then I think she got an escort.


I wonder why they didn't fly over  to Arkansas and pick her up on their way to Aruba???  Seems like Arkansas would be a pretty long drive to Birmingham.  Over 5 hours, I'm sure.  Maybe more like 8-10 hours.  What part of Arkansas did she drive from?
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« Reply #146 on: June 25, 2005, 11:59:33 PM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.


I think those girls were flakes. Dash and others saw them talking on other days.
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« Reply #147 on: June 26, 2005, 12:00:00 AM »

could someone tell me how long the plane ride is from Holland to Aruba? Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #148 on: June 26, 2005, 12:00:18 AM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

But, since her friends obviously didn't know where she was at all times, isn't it possible she met Joran before 5/29?


the kid on o'reilly with dash said he was around all week or something like that.  i don't think the scuffle in the casino if it happend would have gone uncommented by all.  maybe if she didn't know him she knew of him.
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« Reply #149 on: June 26, 2005, 12:00:21 AM »

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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point.
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« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2005, 12:00:25 AM »

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arubagirl, I think they went directly to the VDS house because the evidence they had was that Joran was the guy Natalee had met before. There was...and IS... NO evidence, not ONE SHRED, that Natalee had seen or met the Kalpoes before and for all we know, she thought they were taxi drivers.


Her close friends interveiwed said at 12:30 Joran and his friends came into CNC and it was the brothers with him.


Really? I missed that...when did they say that?
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« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2005, 12:00:38 AM »

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so you have this all in one place, was Anita already questioned?  why does jug not know it or does he want more?


I am curious, (and not to start the whole "don't blame the victim because I think we all know I would never do that) does anyone realize that if this crime happened in teh US the Twitty's and Holloway's would be throughly investigated as normal procedure?

I am kind of curious as to why everyone thought it was such an outrageous thought for anyone to have suiggested it. I mean in the US they would have already raided Natalee's room etc etc looking for any clues and leaving no stone unturned.


Someone posted earlier that this is not only used to elminate or include suspects but to build a better idea of who the victim is so it is better known, what scenarios are even viable.
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« Reply #152 on: June 26, 2005, 12:01:47 AM »

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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point.


I ws shocked when he said that....that poor woman has been through enough.....I know many will not agree with me....but it's my opinion.  Certainly it doesn't compare to what Beth and family have been and are still going through....but as Arubagirl says...anything she might know (and I doubt she knows a thing) would be protected. As far as her being the easiest to break...I think not....remember she would be the lioness is protecting her cub...

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I think there may be something very wrong with Jughead.  Must be a treat to be married to and a step-daughter of a mean bully like him. JMHO
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« Reply #153 on: June 26, 2005, 12:01:53 AM »

DT - I understand what you are saying ... I've just been going around in my head trying to figure out how I would have acted if it was my daughter and all I know is that she missed her flight and didn't show up at the hotel. I'm not sure - and I know that by the next day for example I would have been in lioness mode ... I'm just uneasy with the speed at which things went from Natalee missed her flight to confrontations at the VDS house.  

I really respect Beth for her fierceness and her speaking up for the security guards and for her civility to the aruban people which is what led me to get interested in the case and start reading her obsessively. And I'm sure Natalee is a wonderful girl. I just really don't like the tone that comes from Jug and I am uncomfortable with some of this.

I think there's something about the assumption that "I know my daughter would never do anything irresponsible so I know you kidnapped her" that makes some little piece of me go hunh? And there's something in Jug's style that reminds me of problematic dads - completely different from what I get from David Holloway who seems to shun the spotlight and focus on the search ... I don't know.

...and I am uncomfortable with the feeling that even thinking these things is somehow blaming the victim or such instead of just another avenue for speculation and self-examination. I honestly find myself thinking Ok, if I got a call that my dtr missed a flight home from Jamaica, what would be my assumptions? It makes me think about things like what do I assume about my own kids, what do I "know" with the level of certainty people ascribe to Beth, etc.

Really just trying to think this through in my own head ... and trying to be honest.
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« Reply #154 on: June 26, 2005, 12:02:03 AM »

The Brian Reynolds on the trip who was at CnC's. Could that have been one of her cousins? She had twin cousins on the trip. He ws the one who saw the shoving match,..and I'm sorry, these questions are on my mind. If so, why wasn't that known?
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« Reply #155 on: June 26, 2005, 12:02:33 AM »

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THe first reports said she went to the BOYZIIMEN concert, and then out to eat at CnC's. I'm not sure of the timeline.


Selena, that beach concert thing troubles me too. The stories of the 3 guys and the stories of Natalee's closest friends all have her at the HI at 9:30 meeting Joran for the first time. At which time he supposedly says it's Sunday night, it's slow, nobody goes out, I have no plans etc.  Now I am NOT an expert on teen music at all but I have heard of Boyz2Men and if they were holding a concert that night, everybody and their grandmother on that island under 30 was GUARANTEED to be there where it was GOIN' ON! The word was that AFTER the MBers left the concert, they went to CC's.

I am HIGHLY sceptical of the Sunday night timeframe until Natalee et al. were at CC's. I contend that the Joran meeting was much earlier in the day and I have no earthly idea why people are saying 9:30 PM.
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« Reply #156 on: June 26, 2005, 12:02:33 AM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.


I think those girls were flakes. Dash and others saw them talking on other days.


Why didn't the Aruban police hold all those kids for questioning?  They may have missed something by letting them leave.
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« Reply #157 on: June 26, 2005, 12:03:29 AM »

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I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.


And I bet he got beat by Joran too, now is that when the confrontation was?
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« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2005, 12:03:37 AM »

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Per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160231,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to any of her friends that saw her on May 30 because she left Carlos and Charlie's?

TWITTY: Not in person. I really have not.

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Am I supposed to think that she didn't speak to them at all or that she spoke to them via phone?
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I've been perplexed by this too, Arubagirl. Since day 1, the Holloway's have claimed they haven't spoken to any of her friends. How is that possible? It bothers me. I understand they don't want to interfere with the investigation, but aside from the few students who have been interviewed, we don't have any eye witness accounts (as far as we know) and the Holloways keep saying they haven't spoken to any of the students. Just doens't make sense to me.  ??
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« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2005, 12:03:50 AM »

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nikki... it was a question. And one I think I can answer. No, the damn beach has not been dug up and if there were cadaver dogs in Aruba then the Texans would not be bringing them.


OK. Didn't the LE dig up the beach at the Marriott (forgot to add that to timeline)? With the too-happy panty guy and the radio station calling for diggers in the morning before the LE got there in the afternoon? Hasn't this area been thoroughly searched? Tuesday June 14.



Also I think Nat was on de palm tours on the 29th, from 930 - 2 pm.  I don't think all 140 MB students could jump on this boat.

Also Deepak does not end work at 10pm, according to the mom he finishes at 11pm.

Also the Soul beach Festival was from 7-11pm. starring Lauryn Hill..Nat could have been there..


Natalee was said to not have taken the cruise but went snorkeling.  Depak's mother was very clear, his quiting time was not usually when he left.  Many times he worked later to help.  She had no difinitive time as she didn't know.

Why couldn't Natalee have attended the concert? She could have gone early to see some of the music and left.


The DePalm Tours was a snorkeling tour. ..there was an early day concernt but she was on the snorkeling trip...that evening with Lauryn Hill (7 grammy awards), why not?  This is something her 'best friends can fill out'
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