RBN #26 NightCrew Sat/Sun

[heartache]

Cancunmole... just as an aside... do you happen to know the lineage of one of the co-authors of "The Ugly American"???

[iquitos]

aua girl has been here today.  

Oh, why aren't ArubaGirl , NativeLingo or any of the other 'on Island folks' on or staying on the board t help us know what is going on and to translate for us? Oh, maybe because we are insulting idiots or by definition, UGLY AMERICANS????????

[arubagirl]

CancunMole, what in the hell?

[lee]

"He did not want her to go on this trip and probably feels her let her down by not being there to help her. It is a lot to have to go "

Is that true?...her dad didn't want her to go?



I knew I liked him from the start.....a real dad, with real concerns for his dtr...

[Compananzi]

Compananzi - I'm not sure I follow your post but I do feel queazy about the speed of response from the Natalee's parents and the level of it. I could imagine Beth and Jug flying in to "wait for Natalee" and ask questions and push the police to investigate but there's something about Jug and 5 buddies (I think that's what he said the other night) and the FBI and the DEA all descending that fast - coupled with the complete shutdown of any negative info or even informational info from MB students that sits in the back of my mind nagging. Not even speculating here, just recording uneasiness on this score.

I'm not following you.  It was my understanding that DEA already on assignment (in Aruba? a neighboring island?) were contacted due to their proximity.  I don't know how/when FBI got involved, although reports have said Beth asked police how to contact the FBI before she flew over.  What makes you uneasy about 5 friends going over to Aruba, too?

As for the MB students...  That's kind of a funny story, I think.  It involves the far-reaching effects of irresponsible media.  One of the first stories in our local paper ended with the line, "MB students will not discuss Natalee or the trip."  I was shocked!  I happened to be talking to an MB student right after that, & I asked him, "What, we aren't supposed to talk? Who said?  I didn't hear about it!  Why didn't they use the email tree (of the students/parents involved on the trip)?"  And he said, "That's funny, the reporter wrote that because of me.  I went to the prayer vigil (the first one) but got the times wrong, so no one was there practically but me and this reporter.  She asked me all kinds of questions & I kept saying, 'I can't answer.  I'm a sophomore.  I wasn't on the senior trip.  I don't know Natalee, I'm just upset and concerned for her, so that's why I showed up here.'  Then she goes back and writes, "'MB students refuse to talk.'"  Because she didn't get the answers her editor must have asked her for, she covered her rear with this unusual spin.

Ok, so like me, all the folks in MB read that & blanched because they didn't know why they weren't in the loop.  Again, we all thought, we're not supposed to talk?  Why not?  Who said?  Well, we better not!  And so most kids from then on buttoned up, & a story that started out as false became true.  Amazing!

On several occasions I've talked to Marcia Twitty & the friend helping her handle media requests.  They both emphasized that neither of them had or would tell *anyone* not to talk.  

However, the students who have been interviewed are shutting down & advising others not to step up because each & every one has gotten completely screwed over.  In some cases, they were outright lied to by producers; in others, their words were twisted & quotes used to endorse information that they'd actually *refuted* in interviews.  In all cases, they've been vilified in this and other message boards.  They've been criticized in the same forums both for talking and for *not* talking.  

Heck of a situation for kids to find themselves in.

Well that is understandable, there was a question also posed why no friends of Joran has some to his defense. ... Well one or 2 did, but because of this massive exposure, there is on this side also a shutdown.  Partly because no friends wanna get arrested... Jug Twitty today mentioned his desire to see AVDS arrested or interviewed... I think Nadira Ramires, mother of the Kalpoes is next.

[Arlee]

arlee, it makes me uneasy because the five friends went before the dad.

I still don't understand...?  Not being confrontational -- this is not even something I knew about.  So I'm not defending the situation, I just don't know what happened or why it is troubling...?

(I'll be away for a few minutes.)

[DT]

As far as the shut down of information from the MB students, I don't think that anyone is telling them not to talk.  I think that it is their choice to do this.  They have got to be feeling guilty about what happened to her and therefore at this point are being very protective of her and not saying anything that would put her or her family in a bad light.

I think that interview with O'Reilly was very revealing, the male MB appears much more open and honest and not trying to paint some kinda of Stepford image of Nat.  We learned from his info and Bill's questions the following.
1. nat and Joran met days prior maybe up to 3 days before the dissapearance.
2. The played poker together.
3. He did not see anthing wrong with Nat and Joran hanging out at CnC

No one is painting a stepford image of Natalee.  They are saying she was a good girl who was responsible, smart and level-headed.  No one has said that she was perfect.  And none of the points you listed would even contradict a stepford (unrealistic) image of her.  Is it so hard for people to believe that she was a good person?

Hmm..

Let me see now .. a proffesor once say to use check marks..

1. They both had good friends.
2. They both had a good social circle.
3  Both had scholarship and college future.
4. Both are honor students.
5. Both appear to like to gamble, (your in the casino your gambling).
6. Both appear to like the night life ( you in CnC your drinkin and dancin).
7. They both appear to like each other..

I guess if you have to be on one side you have to demonize the other... I am just revisiting back and forth again.

To my knowledge having friends, good grades and a scholarship doesn't make someone a good person. Im not sure we know Natalee likes to gamble.

I don't really know what that has to do with what I posted.  All I did was claim that your original assertion that Natalees friend were trying to portray a "stepford" image of her was off base.  I've never heard her friends try to do anything like that.  And nothing we know makes her seem anything less than what her friends have said about her.  

Also, I'm not demonizing Joran. I really don't know anything about him.  All I know is that he has lied repeatedly to police and to NH's family regarding her disappearence.  I know that he is falsely implicated to innocent men.  He may have been a great person up until now, but so far as this story is going he is looking to be a fairly bad person.

[doman4]

My daughter doesn't show up for a plane ride... I call the FBI. You punch in 411 on your phone. Maybe the chaperones called them. WHO FRIGGIN cares who called them.

And for most people they won't do anything. If you think the FBI jumps on the case of every missing American (less than 24 hours in the case), you are seriously deluded. I have some personal experience with this.

My grandma was kidnapped and held for ransome 2 years ago.  The fbi was here to help us less than 48 hours after she was taken.

[Selena]

LOL @Geraldo and ANYONE having an affair!!!
( I heard that Marianne Croes was kind of hot...)
Scott,..a girl did allegedly have a story reported by the Post Herlad which I believe is the Birmingham paper, she was from Boston and met Joran and found him "aggressive" but I was never able to locate the story. I had the URL and it didn't come up.

[columbo]

Arubagirl... when the parents were still in the States, they punched in 411. Why is everyone on the BB obsessed with details that have nothing to do with anything. Howcome the FBI was involved so quickly. What meds was NH on. When did NH meet Baby? Why was Mama in Holland? What color toilet paper does the VDS's use?  How many drinks did the entire MBHS studentbody consume in a year. What is the rate of Teen pregnancy in MB? What was NH's GPA?  What was NH's waistsize on this trip, compared to the same time last year? Maybe Geraldo is having an affair with Beth and that is why Fox is all over this story.

Just following every lead.

[LilOrphan]

I have read his posts too.  I don't think he means literally.  Just that JVDS wont talk.

Thought that at first, too, but then the other guy translated it to be figurative and the source continued on with the bloody tongue stuff. Will have to go back and read it over again. Thanks! Not sure why I care, just that it would suggest to me J is the one who tried to commit suicide over this.

[dl3fan]

I'm sorry, but who walks around with the FBI phone number handy?

Im pretty sure it would be in the phone book. Plus if they had connections ( a senator for instance) he would have no problem getting the FBI involved.

In People Mag. it said she asked the cop who picked her up for speeding for the fbi #

Not saying it didn't happen but I would be shocked if the cops here had the FBI# handy with them.

[writenow]

The Brian Reynolds on the trip who was at CnC's. Could that have been one of her cousins? She had twin cousins on the trip. He ws the one who saw the shoving match,..and I'm sorry, these questions are on my mind. If so, why wasn't that known?

No, Hunter Twitty and I think the other one was named Thomas. Is that right?

[GuyWdog]

"ORANJESTAD, Aruba (18 June 2005) -- Natalee Holloway's family, not Aruban police, first identified and located a Dutch youth now held as a suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama teen, according to a friend who helped with the search.

The family's quick work — a combination of hunches, tips and amateur detective work on the Caribbean island — also led to two of the youth's friends who also were taken into custody. But it ultimately was met by frustration when authorities failed to quickly arrest the trio, which included the son of a prominent Dutch ministry official.

"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.

You can find this URL here

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html

This should shed some light on WHO found out who Natalee was last seen with. To me this is a sticking point, as BHT has said many times that they have NOT talked to any MBHS sutdents on the trip. So many inconsistancies and so many unanswered questions....

GuyWdog

[arubagirl]

Mariaine and Geraldo... hee hee hee.

Thanks to the poster who said that Beth asked the cop to get the FBI for her.

Arlee, maybe 'uneasy' is the wrong word. I just find it strange that when your (step) daughter goes missing you don't take the dad along, but you do take five friends along. Dad is in another state, but still. Did other relatives also travel with the plane?

[coco]

arlee Thank you for your really helpful answer about the MB kids - and for your tone in all these discussions. I know this is all close to home for you and I've wanted to say that I think you've been great.

And having worked press relations in some sticky situations, I really feel for the kids who have dealt with the media - it's mighty rough out there and they've done an admirable job.


DT nodding - I would have been on the first plane down too - but I may have been less certain about precisely what happened right at the beginning. I'm not sure if that's a bad point for me as a mom or a realistic reaction.  

and Jug makes me crazy - just a personal aversion to a certain style of man ... I'd take a David Holloway any day of the week!

[wantsanswers]

arlee, it makes me uneasy because the five friends went before the dad.

the dad was in another state and booked a flight, someone called them according to his wife on TV, and said they found her. It was a mistake, the chaperone called from Natalees cell phone to her mother and someone thought it was her. The flight was cancelled, then they were told she did not call and then they rescheduled the flight the next morning. Again you have to get info in the first 48 hours. We  have lots of TV shows called 48 hours that is what the cops say is crucial for investiagations. The police told them to wait, she would show uo next happy hour. I am sure they wanted to kill somebody after that!!

[CancunMole]

Jug and Beth Twitty are the kind of people who're determined to find their daughter and they really don't care too much what anyone thinks of why or how they go about it! They are VICTIMS and they don't need all the finger-pointing at them right now. They are more worried about RESULTS than IMAGE.

Then why wasn't NH's Dad, Dave Holloway called right off? Why were he and his wife dealyed until Wednesday, June 1?

[Itawamba]

When I had a stalker who was monitoring my phone calls on my cordless phone (not cell) and who had threatened me about the Internet (long story), I called my local cops, my 911 emergency number.

The detective who listened to my story said it was FBI jurisdiction and just patched me through to an agent.

[Selena]

ty writenow,..I was thinking Reynolds as in Paul(uncle)
It must be hard to think of first name that sounds good with Twitty