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« Reply #240 on: June 26, 2005, 12:30:54 AM »

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Compananzi - I'm not sure I follow your post but I do feel queazy about the speed of response from the Natalee's parents and the level of it. I could imagine Beth and Jug flying in to "wait for Natalee" and ask questions and push the police to investigate but there's something about Jug and 5 buddies (I think that's what he said the other night) and the FBI and the DEA all descending that fast - coupled with the complete shutdown of any negative info or even informational info from MB students that sits in the back of my mind nagging. Not even speculating here, just recording uneasiness on this score.


I'm not following you.  It was my understanding that DEA already on assignment (in Aruba? a neighboring island?) were contacted due to their proximity.  I don't know how/when FBI got involved, although reports have said Beth asked police how to contact the FBI before she flew over.  What makes you uneasy about 5 friends going over to Aruba, too?

As for the MB students...  That's kind of a funny story, I think.  It involves the far-reaching effects of irresponsible media.  One of the first stories in our local paper ended with the line, "MB students will not discuss Natalee or the trip."  I was shocked!  I happened to be talking to an MB student right after that, & I asked him, "What, we aren't supposed to talk? Who said?  I didn't hear about it!  Why didn't they use the email tree (of the students/parents involved on the trip)?"  And he said, "That's funny, the reporter wrote that because of me.  I went to the prayer vigil (the first one) but got the times wrong, so no one was there practically but me and this reporter.  She asked me all kinds of questions & I kept saying, 'I can't answer.  I'm a sophomore.  I wasn't on the senior trip.  I don't know Natalee, I'm just upset and concerned for her, so that's why I showed up here.'  Then she goes back and writes, "'MB students refuse to talk.'"  Because she didn't get the answers her editor must have asked her for, she covered her rear with this unusual spin.

Ok, so like me, all the folks in MB read that & blanched because they didn't know why they weren't in the loop.  Again, we all thought, we're not supposed to talk?  Why not?  Who said?  Well, we better not!  And so most kids from then on buttoned up, & a story that started out as false became true.  Amazing!

On several occasions I've talked to Marcia Twitty & the friend helping her handle media requests.  They both emphasized that neither of them had or would tell *anyone* not to talk.  

However, the students who have been interviewed are shutting down & advising others not to step up because each & every one has gotten completely screwed over.  In some cases, they were outright lied to by producers; in others, their words were twisted & quotes used to endorse information that they'd actually *refuted* in interviews.  In all cases, they've been vilified in this and other message boards.  They've been criticized in the same forums both for talking and for *not* talking.  

Heck of a situation for kids to find themselves in.


Well that is understandable, there was a question also posed why no friends of Joran has some to his defense. ... Well one or 2 did, but because of this massive exposure, there is on this side also a shutdown.  Partly because no friends wanna get arrested... Jug Twitty today mentioned his desire to see AVDS arrested or interviewed... I think Nadira Ramires, mother of the Kalpoes is next.


Such a hoot!!
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« Reply #241 on: June 26, 2005, 12:31:41 AM »

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DT nodding - I would have been on the first plane down too - but I may have been less certain about precisely what happened right at the beginning. I'm not sure if that's a bad point for me as a mom or a realistic reaction.  

and Jug makes me crazy - just a personal aversion to a certain style of man ... I'd take a David Holloway any day of the week!


Im not sure how long it took them to be sure Joran had something to do with it.  Maybe they were just being presumptuous, who knows?

Agreed about Jug.  But I wouldn't pass judgement on him given his situation.
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« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2005, 12:31:55 AM »

>>Oh, why aren't ArubaGirl , NativeLingo or any of the other 'on Island folks' on or staying on the board t help us know what is going on and to translate for us? Oh, maybe because we are insulting idiots or by definition, UGLY AMERICANS????????

Aww, their hides are leathered from dealing vis-a-vis with our dumbasses daily. Lil message board adrenaline shouldn't scare them off. Wink However, what happened to --- & other AL folk?
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« Reply #243 on: June 26, 2005, 12:32:01 AM »

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My daughter doesn't show up for a plane ride... I call the FBI. You punch in 411 on your phone. Maybe the chaperones called them. WHO FRIGGIN cares who called them.


And for most people they won't do anything. If you think the FBI jumps on the case of every missing American (less than 24 hours in the case), you are seriously deluded. I have some personal experience with this.


My grandma was kidnapped and held for ransome 2 years ago.  The fbi was here to help us less than 48 hours after she was taken.


Being kidnapped and held for ransom is quite different from a missing person.
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« Reply #244 on: June 26, 2005, 12:32:17 AM »

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When I had a stalker who was monitoring my phone calls on my cordless phone (not cell) and who had threatened me about the Internet (long story), I called my local cops, my 911 emergency number.

The detective who listened to my story said it was FBI jurisdiction and just patched me through to an agent.


The FBI handles all Internet issues as it's across state lines, etc.  If I recall they even have a spot on their site where Internet/email issues can be sent to them.
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« Reply #245 on: June 26, 2005, 12:32:57 AM »

Not that any of us ever believed it but found out today that Mr. Holloway is an insurance agent for a major insurance co(think Farm) so that would make it more unlikely that he would take out an insurance policy on his daughter for the purpose of defrauding.
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« Reply #246 on: June 26, 2005, 12:33:09 AM »

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The Brian Reynolds on the trip who was at CnC's. Could that have been one of her cousins? She had twin cousins on the trip. He ws the one who saw the shoving match,..and I'm sorry, these questions are on my mind. If so, why wasn't that known?


No, Hunter Twitty and I think the other one was named Thomas. Is that right?


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« Reply #247 on: June 26, 2005, 12:33:34 AM »

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Per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160231,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to any of her friends that saw her on May 30 because she left Carlos and Charlie's?

TWITTY: Not in person. I really have not.

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Am I supposed to think that she didn't speak to them at all or that she spoke to them via phone?
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Maybe, after having spent every night at C&C, despite having to pay for drinks, no one could speak?
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« Reply #248 on: June 26, 2005, 12:33:56 AM »

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arlee, it makes me uneasy because the five friends went before the dad.


the dad was in another state and booked a flight, someone called them according to his wife on TV, and said they found her. It was a mistake, the chaperone called from Natalees cell phone to her mother and someone thought it was her. The flight was cancelled, then they were told she did not call and then they rescheduled the flight the next morning. Again you have to get info in the first 48 hours. We  have lots of TV shows called 48 hours that is what the cops say is crucial for investiagations. The police told them to wait, she would show uo next happy hour. I am sure they wanted to kill somebody after that!!


I believe it was the son who called Dad.
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« Reply #249 on: June 26, 2005, 12:34:45 AM »

Just wondering....

Is it possible that Joran never went home at 11pm? Is it possible that he and Nat hung out from the time they met at the casino and then, went to CC together. If Joran was gambling until 10:30 (after the tourny) and Nat was at a concert untill 9:30, could it be possible that they made plans to meet up and Joran never went home?

Supposedly, Joran shows up at CC at 12- 12:30...he leaves with Nat before 1am. Is this enough time for her to trust him? Is this enough time for her to feel safe with him? Why would she be dancing/partying with someone if she briefly met him at casino and then, spent less than an hour with him at CC?? She obviously felt close enough to him to accept a ride. Perhaps they did hang out at the concert, casino and went to CC's together? Am I way off here?
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« Reply #250 on: June 26, 2005, 12:35:17 AM »

I know that Dave and Robin Holloway have two younger children, so there had to be a lot of contingencies taken care of in order to leave, at least, I would imagine so.

What I'm not quite understanding is if Tom and Hunter Twitty, Natalee's cousins, were on the same trip, why didn't one of them stay behind with the chaperone?  And since they did leave and go back to Birmingham, has either one of them been back to Aruba for the searches--they are the ones who saw Joran and played cards with him or were around him in the casino.  They would be a big help.  What's the story on them?
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« Reply #251 on: June 26, 2005, 12:35:43 AM »

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>>Way offf...The FBI did INDEED talk to all the kids!

Though I agree: Link? Quote? Proof? All I have seen or read says they have interviewed 'most'.


According to local news,,,they wanted to talk to the kids and they would not let them until they had been debriefed by the FBI.
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« Reply #252 on: June 26, 2005, 12:35:53 AM »

I am not in any way criticizing those who have questioned why the students from Mountain Brook High School have not been more vocal, why the public hasn't heard more from them, etc., etc.  I am not out to cause discord, I am just curious.

My question to you (those who want to hear from them) is this.  After everything you have heard to date from all sources, what exactly do you want to hear from them?  What could they tell you that would solve this case?  Why is it so important for these kids to be in the public eye?

You have already been told that nobody (especially those who were out by the pool) saw her returned to the Holiday Inn.  I think you know how highly thought of she is, along w/ her parents.  This place isn't nearly as "Stepford" as it's made out to be, it's just a small town, with small town, old fashioned values.
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« Reply #253 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:11 AM »

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Just wondering....

Is it possible that Joran never went home at 11pm? Is it possible that he and Nat hung out from the time they met at the casino and then, went to CC together. If Joran was gambling until 10:30 (after the tourny) and Nat was at a concert untill 9:30, could it be possible that they made plans to meet up and Joran never went home?

Supposedly, Joran shows up at CC at 12- 12:30...he leaves with Nat before 1am. Is this enough time for her to trust him? Is this enough time for her to feel safe with him? Why would she be dancing/partying with someone if she briefly met him at casino and then, spent less than an hour with him at CC?? She obviously felt close enough to him to accept a ride. Perhaps they did hang out at the concert, casino and went to CC's together? Am I way off here?


Issues I have had for a week.
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« Reply #254 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:13 AM »

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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point.


I ws shocked when he said that....that poor woman has been through enough.....I know many will not agree with me....but it's my opinion.  Certainly it doesn't compare to what Beth and family have been and are still going through....but as Arubagirl says...anything she might know (and I doubt she knows a thing) would be protected. As far as her being the easiest to break...I think not....remember she would be the lioness is protecting her cub...


I agree with you I was thinking next he will want his siblings interrogated.
While I understand they are in pain because of Natalee, Anita Van Der Sloot is also in pain. Why does he want inflict more pain on her...... She loves her son just as Beth loves her daughter.
Hope they do not bring her in for questioning........It is starting to look a little bit strange already everytime Jug says he wants someone arrested
whadda ya know next day, their in jail.
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« Reply #255 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:19 AM »

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Or, were both Satish & Deepak at home?  To me, this gives Satish & Deepak an alibi that they were not there with Joren & Natalee on the beach.


It's no alibi if Deepak and/or Satish procured a drug for Joran to put in Natalee's drink.

It's also doesn't clear their names if they drove/dropped off Joran and Natalee at the van der Sloot home or a secluded location with the intent of allowing Joran to have his way with a drugged/passed out girl.
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« Reply #256 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:38 AM »

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arlee, it makes me uneasy because the five friends went before the dad.


I still don't understand...?  Not being confrontational -- this is not even something I knew about.  So I'm not defending the situation, I just don't know what happened or why it is troubling...?

(I'll be away for a few minutes.)


I heard the stepmom talk about this.


Said they got call from 16 year old? brother of nat--remember the Beth was not at home, that Nat missed her plane.  They waited all thinking she had just overslept and whould show up to go with second group.

When they found out she missed second flight they got reservations to fly there that day.

Then they got word that Nat's reservations had been moved to a later flight.  They thought that meant she had showed up.  They later found out that the chaperone had changed the reservations thinking she would show up.  They cancelled their flight though.

In the mix was also the fact that Nat's cell phone was being used, and then they found out that was the chaperone calling parents.

By the time they were sure she had not been the one to change the reservations, they got the next flight out--but it was not till early the next morning.

I heard this interview on television and could have a couple of things mixed up, but this was why she was explaining they did not leave till the next morning.
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« Reply #257 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:43 AM »

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Is  it safe to come in here?  I been tryin ta catchup, sotaspeak!  As pre the following:

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« Reply #258 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:46 AM »

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Just wondering....

Is it possible that Joran never went home at 11pm? Is it possible that he and Nat hung out from the time they met at the casino and then, went to CC together. If Joran was gambling until 10:30 (after the tourny) and Nat was at a concert untill 9:30, could it be possible that they made plans to meet up and Joran never went home?

Supposedly, Joran shows up at CC at 12- 12:30...he leaves with Nat before 1am. Is this enough time for her to trust him? Is this enough time for her to feel safe with him? Why would she be dancing/partying with someone if she briefly met him at casino and then, spent less than an hour with him at CC?? She obviously felt close enough to him to accept a ride. Perhaps they did hang out at the concert, casino and went to CC's together? Am I way off here?


I think they had hung out before, and joran was familiar with the MB people being in the casino so much, which would explain her trust.  I think that some of her friends actuall went with natalee though, so I doubt she was hanging out with Joran all that time.
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« Reply #259 on: June 26, 2005, 12:36:52 AM »

My daughter doesn't show up for a plane ride... I call the FBI. You punch in 411 on your phone. Maybe the chaperones called them. WHO FRIGGIN cares who called them.

My grandma was kidnapped and held for ransome 2 years ago.  The fbi was here to help us less than 48 hours after she was taken.


It actually does matter, if the speculation about insurance is true, then it is possible that this entire "how come the FBI/plane/flight plan etc" could be because if in fact there was a kidnapping/ransom situation relayed to them and the Twitty's had travel risk insurance (it's a benefit I have where I were work, for example, and Natalee would be covered since she's 18, registered for college and can be claimed as a dependent until she's out of school, I think) there's a predefined plan between the risk insurer, the policy holder (the employer) and the feds that gets followed to expedite getting the family there and FBI involved in the cases of a out CONUS traveller's disappearance.

I am not advocating that Natalee was or wasn't kidnapped: what I am saying is that if there was an indication (either a ransom phone call, Aruba police, etc) that she was, this would be handled expeditiously in the manner that's been described.
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