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« Reply #260 on: June 26, 2005, 12:37:33 AM »

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I'm warp-speed-reading trying to catch up. Regading an exchange between Iquitos and ExTexinAz near the end of the last thread - Is the new judge in Curacao?  If so, isn't fast and easy to take a boat to Aruba?

Also, whan I stopped reading this morning, you all were discussing the effects of date rape drugs. If you need any more first hand info, I have an unusual experience with that and would be happy to share.


Please share.

I did meet a girl (one of the first to file a lawsuit about it) who was given a roofie. She said she couldn't move.


writenow, thanks for asking. If you are unfortunate enough to be slipped one of these creepy drugs, I was very lucky. I was with my husband and daughter at a yearly crab-feed fund-raiser.  We had attended may years already; DD and her classmates performed. It's basically a family situation; everybody knows everybody. You buy your drinks - served in plastic cups and you don't think twice about leaving them at your table to socialize. What I remember is having a glass and a half of wine with a very full meal (I had thirds on crab - we knew the cook), watching the performance start about 8pm and waking up in my bad about 7am - with no knowledge of how I got there - or why I wasn't in my normal nightgown.

The good news is that we later determined that the "attack" was probably aimed at my daughter, and I am glad to have taken that hit. My husband says that I responded almost coherently to conversation, but I have no memory of doing so. At the end of the performance - he walked me to the car - again an act I do not remember.  He told me later that at one point I said, "I am so glad I'm with you." Again, no memory.

This happened about 4 years ago and even though I was protected from anything really bad happening, I cannot describe how creepy it is to awaken with part of your memory unavailable. I feel that to this day.  I cannot imagine the horror to have awakened feeling physical evidence of having been violated.

Bottom line - no matter where you are or what you are drinking - watch it being prepared and do not set it down.

Anyway  - based on what my husband told me, I was able to walk whilst drugged - so if this happened to Natalee, she might not have needed to be carried.


Wow. You were lucky. Maybe the woman I talked to could move but had the mental perception that she had no control over her body. She said she did wake up in a place she didn't recognize and didn't know how she got there.
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« Reply #261 on: June 26, 2005, 12:37:40 AM »

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Not that any of us ever believed it but found out today that Mr. Holloway is an insurance agent for a major insurance co(think Farm) so that would make it more unlikely that he would take out an insurance policy on his daughter for the purpose of defrauding.


More Unlikely? I would think more likely she would be getting employee discount rates..
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« Reply #262 on: June 26, 2005, 12:37:46 AM »

Are we absolutely certain the Texas Hold 'Em power tournament started at 8PM?  I thought it was much, much earlier in the day, like afternoon.
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« Reply #263 on: June 26, 2005, 12:37:55 AM »

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Not that any of us ever believed it but found out today that Mr. Holloway is an insurance agent for a major insurance co(think Farm) so that would make it more unlikely that he would take out an insurance policy on his daughter for the purpose of defrauding.


I'm guessing if there is a big policy that covers kidnapping (which I've read and not confirmed) I think it's because State Farm employees may have great packages that cover them and their family.

Just a thought...
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« Reply #264 on: June 26, 2005, 12:38:29 AM »

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When I had a stalker who was monitoring my phone calls on my cordless phone (not cell) and who had threatened me about the Internet (long story), I called my local cops, my 911 emergency number.

The detective who listened to my story said it was FBI jurisdiction and just patched me through to an agent.


they r definitelt well informed.
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« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2005, 12:39:40 AM »

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Well that is understandable, there was a question also posed why no friends of Joran has some to his defense. ... Well one or 2 did, but because of this massive exposure, there is on this side also a shutdown.  Partly because no friends wanna get arrested... Jug Twitty today mentioned his desire to see AVDS arrested or interviewed... I think Nadira Ramires, mother of the Kalpoes is next.[/quote]

I honestly don't blame any Aruban for not speaking up or offering any information they may have.  Everybody that does  gets arrested.  Yes, AVDS will probably be next.  I understand that the Holloways want and deserve to know what happened to NH, but at this point it is getting to look like a surreal black comedy.
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« Reply #266 on: June 26, 2005, 12:39:57 AM »

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Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.




But, that is not what ED said in the O'r interview,  and Repeat interview! Duh, even Dash (oh so sorry) looked at him like, what da F?
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« Reply #267 on: June 26, 2005, 12:40:33 AM »

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My daughter doesn't show up for a plane ride... I call the FBI. You punch in 411 on your phone. Maybe the chaperones called them. WHO FRIGGIN cares who called them.

My grandma was kidnapped and held for ransome 2 years ago.  The fbi was here to help us less than 48 hours after she was taken.


It actually does matter, if the speculation about insurance is true, then it is possible that this entire "how come the FBI/plane/flight plan etc" could be because if in fact there was a kidnapping/ransom situation relayed to them and the Twitty's had travel risk insurance (it's a benefit I have where I were work, for example, and Natalee would be covered since she's 18, registered for college and can be claimed as a dependent until she's out of school, I think) there's a predefined plan between the risk insurer, the policy holder (the employer) and the feds that gets followed to expedite getting the family there and FBI involved in the cases of a out CONUS traveller's disappearance.

I am not advocating that Natalee was or wasn't kidnapped: what I am saying is that if there was an indication (either a ransom phone call, Aruba police, etc) that she was, this would be handled expeditiously in the manner that's been described.


Question: Could the family just have assumed she was kidnapped and would that have sufficed for indication.  I guess what Im trying to say is would the family have any control over how the situation is handled.
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« Reply #268 on: June 26, 2005, 12:41:14 AM »

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I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.


Really, and who won?
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« Reply #269 on: June 26, 2005, 12:41:24 AM »

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My question to you (those who want to hear from them) is this.  After everything you have heard to date from all sources, what exactly do you want to hear from them?  What could they tell you that would solve this case?  Why is it so important for these kids to be in the public eye?

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You have already been told that nobody (especially those who were out by the pool) saw her returned to the Holiday Inn.  I think you know how highly thought of she is, along w/ her parents.  This place isn't nearly as "Stepford" as it's made out to be, it's just a small town, with small town, old fashioned values.


It's not important that they be in the public eye, BUT having said that, does anyone find it weird that this girl, who is reportedly so well liked, appears to not have confided  (by that I mean girl talk) anything about Joran Van Der Sloot to them after meeting him, and basically (if the reports and rumors are to be believed) spent time exclusively with JVDS at C&C, to the exclusion of her friends?  I'm confused by that.
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« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2005, 12:41:47 AM »

[/quote]Thought that at first, too, but then the other guy translated it to be figurative and the source continued on with the bloody tongue stuff. Will have to go back and read it over again. Thanks! Not sure why I care, just that it would suggest to me J is the one who tried to commit suicide over this.[/quote]

JMHO, JVDS is not the suicidal type.  He probably thinks there is still a way out of this for him.
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« Reply #271 on: June 26, 2005, 12:42:25 AM »

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I'm warp-speed-reading trying to catch up. Regading an exchange between Iquitos and ExTexinAz near the end of the last thread - Is the new judge in Curacao?  If so, isn't fast and easy to take a boat to Aruba?

Also, whan I stopped reading this morning, you all were discussing the effects of date rape drugs. If you need any more first hand info, I have an unusual experience with that and would be happy to share.


Please share.

I did meet a girl (one of the first to file a lawsuit about it) who was given a roofie. She said she couldn't move.


writenow, thanks for asking. If you are unfortunate enough to be slipped one of these creepy drugs, I was very lucky. I was with my husband and daughter at a yearly crab-feed fund-raiser.  We had attended may years already; DD and her classmates performed. It's basically a family situation; everybody knows everybody. You buy your drinks - served in plastic cups and you don't think twice about leaving them at your table to socialize. What I remember is having a glass and a half of wine with a very full meal (I had thirds on crab - we knew the cook), watching the performance start about 8pm and waking up in my bad about 7am - with no knowledge of how I got there - or why I wasn't in my normal nightgown.

The good news is that we later determined that the "attack" was probably aimed at my daughter, and I am glad to have taken that hit. My husband says that I responded almost coherently to conversation, but I have no memory of doing so. At the end of the performance - he walked me to the car - again an act I do not remember.  He told me later that at one point I said, "I am so glad I'm with you." Again, no memory.

This happened about 4 years ago and even though I was protected from anything really bad happening, I cannot describe how creepy it is to awaken with part of your memory unavailable. I feel that to this day.  I cannot imagine the horror to have awakened feeling physical evidence of having been violated.

Bottom line - no matter where you are or what you are drinking - watch it being prepared and do not set it down.

Anyway  - based on what my husband told me, I was able to walk whilst drugged - so if this happened to Natalee, she might not have needed to be carried.


Wow. You were lucky. Maybe the woman I talked to could move but had the mental perception that she had no control over her body. She said she did wake up in a place she didn't recognize and didn't know how she got there.
 

was this gh vs rohypnol?
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« Reply #272 on: June 26, 2005, 12:43:07 AM »

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My daughter doesn't show up for a plane ride... I call the FBI. You punch in 411 on your phone. Maybe the chaperones called them. WHO FRIGGIN cares who called them.


And for most people they won't do anything. If you think the FBI jumps on the case of every missing American (less than 24 hours in the case), you are seriously deluded. I have some personal experience with this.


My grandma was kidnapped and held for ransome 2 years ago.  The fbi was here to help us less than 48 hours after she was taken.


Being kidnapped and held for ransom is quite different from a missing person.


TRUE...but at that point we hadnt gotten a ransome note yet
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« Reply #273 on: June 26, 2005, 12:43:17 AM »

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My question to you (those who want to hear from them) is this.  After everything you have heard to date from all sources, what exactly do you want to hear from them?  What could they tell you that would solve this case?  Why is it so important for these kids to be in the public eye?

<snip>

You have already been told that nobody (especially those who were out by the pool) saw her returned to the Holiday Inn.  I think you know how highly thought of she is, along w/ her parents.  This place isn't nearly as "Stepford" as it's made out to be, it's just a small town, with small town, old fashioned values.


It's not important that they be in the public eye, BUT having said that, does anyone find it weird that this girl, who is reportedly so well liked, appears to not have confided  (by that I mean girl talk) anything about Joran Van Der Sloot to them after meeting him, and basically (if the reports and rumors are to be believed) spent time exclusively with JVDS at C&C, to the exclusion of her friends?  I'm confused by that.


Whose to say that she didn't?  It may not have been anything important though, just something as simple as saying she thought he was attractive.
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« Reply #274 on: June 26, 2005, 12:43:56 AM »

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Who gives a RAT'S ASS when NH and Baby met? What the hell difference does it make. Lacy Peterson knew the person who killed her pretty darn well.


It means alot. Who saw it, who was pissed and cared?
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« Reply #275 on: June 26, 2005, 12:43:58 AM »

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Santa Lucia is way off the main road, unless the bus had to pick up a student there as well.


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Not sure where the Time Line info came from this but what do you
 make of it given the beach story? One his way home or out of the  way?
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« Reply #276 on: June 26, 2005, 12:44:11 AM »

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...watching the performance start about 8pm and waking up in my bad about 7am - with no knowledge of how I got there - or why I wasn't in my normal nightgown...My husband says that I responded almost coherently to conversation, but I have no memory of doing so. At the end of the performance - he walked me to the car - again an act I do not remember.  He told me later that at one point I said, "I am so glad I'm with you." Again, no memory...Anyway  - based on what my husband told me, I was able to walk whilst drugged - so if this happened to Natalee, she might not have needed to be carried.

Considering the theory Natalee was drugged, if she had a reaction similar to yours, she could have been under the influence of it as she was leaving the bar and her friends would not have noticed anything amiss in her behavior.  It could be she was already under the influence of a drug like that when she got in the car with Joran.
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« Reply #277 on: June 26, 2005, 12:44:41 AM »

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I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.


Really, and who won?


Don't know
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« Reply #278 on: June 26, 2005, 12:45:16 AM »

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Just wondering....

Is it possible that Joran never went home at 11pm? Is it possible that he and Nat hung out from the time they met at the casino and then, went to CC together. If Joran was gambling until 10:30 (after the tourny) and Nat was at a concert untill 9:30, could it be possible that they made plans to meet up and Joran never went home?

Supposedly, Joran shows up at CC at 12- 12:30...he leaves with Nat before 1am. Is this enough time for her to trust him? Is this enough time for her to feel safe with him? Why would she be dancing/partying with someone if she briefly met him at casino and then, spent less than an hour with him at CC?? She obviously felt close enough to him to accept a ride. Perhaps they did hang out at the concert, casino and went to CC's together? Am I way off here?


Well I thought the father said to have picked up Joran at 11 pm at McDonald.  The father supposedly picked Joran up and went home...The Kalpoes are about now under way to pickup Joran to take to CnC
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« Reply #279 on: June 26, 2005, 12:45:44 AM »

Question: Could the family just have assumed she was kidnapped and would that have sufficed for indication. I guess what Im trying to say is would the family have any control over how the situation is handled

I'm wondering, as I did in the other thread, if there wasn't a ransom call placed as a coverup by PVDS directly after the night Natalee disappeared. And in order for a risk insurer to get involved, it must have a missing persons report from a LE authority in the country where she was missing and/or a ransom contact. The call could have been made to the hotel, the tour company, etc. Once that risk insurer is involved, things happen FAST.
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