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[pybird]

Or, were both Satish & Deepak at home?  To me, this gives Satish & Deepak an alibi that they were not there with Joren & Natalee on the beach.

It's no alibi if Deepak and/or Satish procured a drug for Joran to put in Natalee's drink.

It's also doesn't clear their names if they drove/dropped off Joran and Natalee at the van der Sloot home or a secluded location with the intent of allowing Joran to have his way with a drugged/passed out girl.

Correct.  But how do we know that they did any of the above?

[CancunMole]

Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

But, since her friends obviously didn't know where she was at all times, isn't it possible she met Joran before 5/29?

the kid on o'reilly with dash said he was around all week or something like that.  i don't think the scuffle in the casino if it happend would have gone uncommented by all.  maybe if she didn't know him she knew of him.

I am convinced that the "young adults", not "kids" who have appeared on National TV have a prepared "script". Therefore, therefore there should be the number of inconsistnecises we heard.

[arubagirl]

Oldfart, I'm sorry, I'm not following. Out of his way? what way?

[absolut]

You know if you discount all of the lies, retractions, disagreeing statements, and things never released in the investigation, you have a very simple answer to all this.

[Anna]

I am new to posting here but have been reading for days.  The answers to so many of these so-called concerns have already been posted here.  One example is the friends of NH saying they were all standing outside getting into taxis to go back to the HI and right then and there, NH indicated to her friend she was returning with the second group of MB students, NOT that she was going with Joren at all.

She was at the very back of the group, taxis pulling up, loading people.  Perhaps because of his size, Joren was able to shield her from their view and hustle her into their car or it was the only one left as she was at the rear of the group.  I remain convinced she thought she was getting into a taxi like everybody else before her had done.

This would explain the mother of the brothers saying she never spoke one word to them.  She thought they were taxi drivers.

I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.     Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!

[iquitos]

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[DT]

You know if you discount all of the lies, retractions, disagreeing statements, and things never released in the investigation, you have a very simple answer to all this.

Which is?

[wantsanswers]

My question to you (those who want to hear from them) is this.  After everything you have heard to date from all sources, what exactly do you want to hear from them?  What could they tell you that would solve this case?  Why is it so important for these kids to be in the public eye?

<snip>

You have already been told that nobody (especially those who were out by the pool) saw her returned to the Holiday Inn.  I think you know how highly thought of she is, along w/ her parents.  This place isn't nearly as "Stepford" as it's made out to be, it's just a small town, with small town, old fashioned values.

It's not important that they be in the public eye, BUT having said that, does anyone find it weird that this girl, who is reportedly so well liked, appears to not have confided  (by that I mean girl talk) anything about Joran Van Der Sloot to them after meeting him, and basically (if the reports and rumors are to be believed) spent time exclusively with JVDS at C&C, to the exclusion of her friends?  I'm confused by that.

the rumours are out yes she did talk about him, but they are not talking to the press and her one friend is having a nervous breakdown,

[Kipster]

>>Not that any of us ever believed it but found out today that Mr. Holloway is an insurance agent for a major insurance co(think Farm) so that would make it more unlikely that he would take out an insurance policy on his daughter for the purpose of defrauding.

So what  (with all due respect) dumbass came up with this insurance theory? Sorry, but if I'm a reporter reading this board and see that,  I'm handing it over to Andy Rooney.

[friend of monkeys]

Question: Could the family just have assumed she was kidnapped and would that have sufficed for indication. I guess what Im trying to say is would the family have any control over how the situation is handled

I'm wondering, as I did in the other thread, if there wasn't a ransom call placed as a coverup by PVDS directly after the night Natalee disappeared. And in order for a risk insurer to get involved, it must have a missing persons report from a LE authority in the country where she was missing and/or a ransom contact. The call could have been made to the hotel, the tour company, etc. Once that risk insurer is involved, things happen FAST.

ummmmmm....yeah...
maybe too fast with cyber sex and all??
who else is on dag???

i'm crashin soon... nite all

[KKM]

Compananzi, per this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html, her friends say that she first met Joran  on the night of May 29th into May 30th. May 30th is when she was supposed to fly home.

I think those girls were flakes. Dash and others saw them talking on other days.

Why didn't the Aruban police hold all those kids for questioning?  They may have missed something by letting them leave.

I HOPE somebody can go back and look at this interview - it was the remote Greta did (from Aruba) w/ Frances Ellen Byrd and Ruth McVay (from Bham) about when Natalee actually met Joran.

I should have posted this DAYS ago, but didn't realize it would become such a big point of contention.

While watching that particular interview, I remember thinking "Greta, you screwed up asking that question and now you have them all confused."  I think Greta may have stumbled around a bit asking as well.  So, if ANYONE can go back and look at that, let me know what you think.  

I am pretty sure it will show that they were ALL confused and that the question was both asked and answered inconsistently.

[TTownMike]

...watching the performance start about 8pm and waking up in my bad about 7am - with no knowledge of how I got there - or why I wasn't in my normal nightgown...My husband says that I responded almost coherently to conversation, but I have no memory of doing so. At the end of the performance - he walked me to the car - again an act I do not remember.  He told me later that at one point I said, "I am so glad I'm with you." Again, no memory...Anyway  - based on what my husband told me, I was able to walk whilst drugged - so if this happened to Natalee, she might not have needed to be carried.

Considering the theory Natalee was drugged, if she had a reaction similar to yours, she could have been under the influence of it as she was leaving the bar and her friends would not have noticed anything amiss in her behavior.  It could be she was already under the influence of a drug like that when she got in the car with Joran.

Thats hittin the nail on the head, Pug"!

[Itawamba]

When I had a stalker who was monitoring my phone calls on my cordless phone (not cell) and who had threatened me about the Internet (long story), I called my local cops, my 911 emergency number.

The detective who listened to my story said it was FBI jurisdiction and just patched me through to an agent.

they r definitelt well informed.

I just meant, I didn't have to look up any FBI phone numbers -- if any of Natalee's family had just called their own local 911 and told them the problem, they would've been given to the FBI.  (People were asking how they got the FBI so fast or something.)

[Ladyhawke112]

I hope I deleted enough quotes to comply with the owners. iquitos, it was determined to most likely be the latter, rohypnol. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone for a blood test the minute I woke up.

[DT]

I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.     Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!

Some of it I think is legitimate curiosity and trying to get all the details possible to make a good opinion about what might have happened.

But with a lot of posters I've seen it seems to be pure and simple cynicism.  They can't believe that a teenager might actually have good values and be a good person.  

And some of it is I think extreme skepticism about anything that is said in the media.  If her friends say one thing then they must be exaggereating lying.

[absolut]

You know if you discount all of the lies, retractions, disagreeing statements, and things never released in the investigation, you have a very simple answer to all this.

Which is?

Boy meets girl, girl meets boy (not to mince words)
Girl with friends sees boy again, friends leave
Girl leaves with boy (no assumtions)
Girl and boy get in vechicle
Vechicle drives off into the night.
Boy alive and well, as well as 2 others in the car (remember no statements are any good.)

Girl is missing and no one can tell us, how, why, when where. You have one thing left guilt.

Without statements for or against where does the guilt logically fall.

[RB]

Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses. Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family. Gotta wonder why!

Anna, welcome.  I don't think any of us are attempting to find dirt, only details like this are important to us discussing who other than those that are being held might be responsible for this. I say this because I don't believe that anything is 100% guarenteed until someone signs on the dotted line...and I've always been taught not to put all my eggs in one basket until that signature is where it needs to be. Know what I mean?  I don't think some of these questions are unreasonable, given what we know at the moment.

[friend of monkeys]

When I had a stalker who was monitoring my phone calls on my cordless phone (not cell) and who had threatened me about the Internet (long story), I called my local cops, my 911 emergency number.

The detective who listened to my story said it was FBI jurisdiction and just patched me through to an agent.

they r definitelt well informed.

I just meant, I didn't have to look up any FBI phone numbers -- if any of Natalee's family had just called their own local 911 and told them the problem, they would've been given to the FBI.  (People were asking how they got the FBI so fast or something.)

right. If you believe you have info you can share it.
In the event it is mportant- they;'ll call you/
every bit helps!

[Whitney]

Nancy_Drew, I don't see where we differ. If Paul van der Sloot heard something suspicious, but information that he didn't get from Joran, he's supposed to tell. Natalee screaming, door slamming at odd hours, etc. If he saw Natalee in his house he's also supposed to tell
If Joran came to him and said: Dad, I left NH alone on the beach and she was abducted by aliens, Paul van der Sloot is not obligated from saying that to the cops.

I'm so far behind...like 12 pages or so behind, you.

But absent the "confession" from any VDS family member or another close to this and tied to this, Arubagirl's implied-point that this duo's game is obviously wait-it-out for 3 1/2 months and go to trial on very flimsy evidence.

I'm sure this has been discussed X infinity and I'll see it in the next 15 pages as a I catch up.

I'm still not a true believer in the the Jug/Geraldo system of justice...{b]not ready to torch JVDS and/or the imputed conspirator, the "Dutch-slimeball-pour-it-on-demon-seed-father" Paulus; how can we be convinced before the Aruba court reveals its case?  

They make it impossible to definitely conclude otherwise in my notebook.

However, in 3 1/2 months, if it's shown that this is what they have, then I'm with those who say, it's not a very good place to vacation...Aruba...may be a great place for sailing and beach sitting...but there are places better for law.

Whitney

[DT]

You know if you discount all of the lies, retractions, disagreeing statements, and things never released in the investigation, you have a very simple answer to all this.

Which is?

Boy meets girl, girl meets boy (not to mince words)
Girl with friends sees boy again, friends leave
Girl leaves with boy (no assumtions)
Girl and boy get in vechicle
Vechicle drives off into the night.
Boy alive and well, as well as 2 others in the car (remember no statements are any good.)

Girl is missing and no one can tell us, how, why, when where. You have one thing left guilt.

Without statements for or against where does the guilt logically fall.

On the boy obviously.