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« Reply #300 on: June 26, 2005, 12:55:23 AM »

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I honestly don't blame any Aruban for not speaking up or offering any information they may have.  Everybody that does  gets arrested.  


They haven't arrested Lorenzo, Max or Larissa yet.
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« Reply #301 on: June 26, 2005, 12:55:42 AM »

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>>Way offf...The FBI did INDEED talk to all the kids!

Though I agree: Link? Quote? Proof? All I have seen or read says they have interviewed 'most'.


At the time they interviewed my daughter, I looked at the list and they'd already gotten about 90% of them.  That was over a week ago.

So, eyewitness account, if you'll accept that.
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« Reply #302 on: June 26, 2005, 12:56:00 AM »

Ladyhawke or Liquid X, you can make it at home, odorless and colorless, looks like water, how easy is it to put in a drink at a br though, nuless you are buying. How was Nat drinking at the bar, from what I heard all she had on her was a drivers license, and I didn't see pockets on her skirt, Could someone else have bought her drinks, maybe even Joran?
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« Reply #303 on: June 26, 2005, 12:56:05 AM »

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aua girl has been here today.  

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Oh, why aren't ArubaGirl , NativeLingo or any of the other 'on Island folks' on or staying on the board t help us know what is going on and to translate for us? Oh, maybe because we are insulting idiots or by definition, UGLY AMERICANS????????


Sorry, this was not a QUESTION, it was a response.
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« Reply #304 on: June 26, 2005, 12:57:06 AM »

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I honestly don't blame any Aruban for not speaking up or offering any information they may have.  Everybody that does  gets arrested.  


They haven't arrested Lorenzo, Max or Larissa yet.



maybe lorenzoe is dead???
killed in speedboat accident??
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« Reply #305 on: June 26, 2005, 12:57:06 AM »

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I am new to posting here but have been reading for days.  The answers to so many of these so-called concerns have already been posted here.  One example is the friends of NH saying they were all standing outside getting into taxis to go back to the HI and right then and there, NH indicated to her friend she was returning with the second group of MB students, NOT that she was going with Joren at all.

She was at the very back of the group, taxis pulling up, loading people.  Perhaps because of his size, Joren was able to shield her from their view and hustle her into their car or it was the only one left as she was at the rear of the group.  I remain convinced she thought she was getting into a taxi like everybody else before her had done.

This would explain the mother of the brothers saying she never spoke one word to them.  She thought they were taxi drivers.

I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.   Evil or Very Mad   Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!


I find this "though it was a taxi" an odd explanation which smacks of party line.  does that mean nobody from mb knew natalee left with Joran or that the joran and the Kalpoes were in the club and Joran was with Natalee at some point even though there were witnesses and a scuffle between Joran and some MBers outside the club according to more than one source?   And what about he Yahooo Aruba story where some MBers saw Natalee stick her head out of the car and yell out?  Did they think that was a taxi too?  If nobody saw her get in the car with Joran or thought it was a taxi, how can anyone be sure she left with Joran?  Of course we know she did becaue Joran admitted as much.
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« Reply #306 on: June 26, 2005, 12:57:37 AM »

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...watching the performance start about 8pm and waking up in my bad about 7am - with no knowledge of how I got there - or why I wasn't in my normal nightgown...My husband says that I responded almost coherently to conversation, but I have no memory of doing so. At the end of the performance - he walked me to the car - again an act I do not remember.  He told me later that at one point I said, "I am so glad I'm with you." Again, no memory...Anyway  - based on what my husband told me, I was able to walk whilst drugged - so if this happened to Natalee, she might not have needed to be carried.

Considering the theory Natalee was drugged, if she had a reaction similar to yours, she could have been under the influence of it as she was leaving the bar and her friends would not have noticed anything amiss in her behavior.  It could be she was already under the influence of a drug like that when she got in the car with Joran.

Thats hittin the nail on the head, Pug"!

HEY, TT!  I've missed you lately.  Guess we've been on at different times.  Very Happy
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« Reply #307 on: June 26, 2005, 12:58:28 AM »

Well, somebody told Beth Twitty that she were leaving with Joran, or did the Alabama group just go to the van der Sloots because NH and Joran were talking in the casino?
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« Reply #308 on: June 26, 2005, 12:58:53 AM »

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I am new to posting here but have been reading for days.  The answers to so many of these so-called concerns have already been posted here.  One example is the friends of NH saying they were all standing outside getting into taxis to go back to the HI and right then and there, NH indicated to her friend she was returning with the second group of MB students, NOT that she was going with Joren at all.

She was at the very back of the group, taxis pulling up, loading people.  Perhaps because of his size, Joren was able to shield her from their view and hustle her into their car or it was the only one left as she was at the rear of the group.  I remain convinced she thought she was getting into a taxi like everybody else before her had done.

This would explain the mother of the brothers saying she never spoke one word to them.  She thought they were taxi drivers.

I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.   Evil or Very Mad   Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!


I find this "though it was a taxi" an odd explanation which smacks of party line.  does that mean nobody from mb knew natalee left with Joran or that the joran and the Kalpoes were in the club and Joran was with Natalee at some point even though there were witnesses and a scuffle between Joran and some MBers outside the club acording to more than one source?   And what about he Yahooo Aruba story where some MBers saw Natalee stick her head out of the car and yell out?  Did they think that was a taxi too?  If nobody saw her get in the car with joran or though it was a taxi, how can anyone be sure she left with Joran?  Of course we know she did becaue Joran admitted as much.


Drugged dear!! Sounds like a classic case
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« Reply #309 on: June 26, 2005, 12:58:57 AM »

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I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.   Evil or Very Mad   Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!


Some of it I think is legitimate curiosity and trying to get all the details possible to make a good opinion about what might have happened.

But with a lot of posters I've seen it seems to be pure and simple cynicism.  They can't believe that a teenager might actually have good values and be a good person.  

And some of it is I think extreme skepticism about anything that is said in the media.  If her friends say one thing then they must be exaggereating lying.
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There are also some trouble makers that just go through life making life disagreeable for others and they show up in discussion threads.
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« Reply #310 on: June 26, 2005, 12:59:52 AM »

There are also some trouble makers that just go through life making life disagreeable for others and they show up in discussion threads.

Yes bob, there sure are Smile
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« Reply #311 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:04 AM »

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I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.


Really, and who won?
Or the question is who lost? and how much?
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« Reply #312 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:12 AM »

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Ladyhawke or Liquid X, you can make it at home, odorless and colorless, looks like water, how easy is it to put in a drink at a br though, nuless you are buying. How was Nat drinking at the bar, from what I heard all she had on her was a drivers license, and I didn't see pockets on her skirt, Could someone else have bought her drinks, maybe even Joran?
 

she would have taken some emergency money too.  and maybe she won one of the free drink contests.  joran came on the scene late.  one bartender report  (not confirmed) said she had five vodka drinks.
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« Reply #313 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:21 AM »

I listened to the interview of Jug Twitty tonight and he did NOT say AVDS was going to be detained at all.  He said he would like to see her questioned as would I.  Why not?  Because she goes on TV and cries?  Because she says Joren is a good boy who does not even drink??  Question

I think she could answer a great many questions that might be helpful such as are there any household cleaning supplies missing.  Not that I would expect her to tell the truth but I would really like to know if the bleach for example was still intact.  We know she lies from her saying Joren did not do any of the things he is shown in the photos doing.  But bleach destroys DNA as do other caustic chemicals.  Oh, it is probably useless anyway.  Everything seems that way in this case, having been so bungled at the beginning, there is no way to recover from that.  Whomever did it, Joren or otherwise, were given such a headstart at destroying all evidence, how could they not succeed?  

But did AVDS see anything out of the ordinary, etc.?  While I would be very surprised if she told the truth, at least she could be on record refusing to do so and perhaps this is some offense under this legal system.  Apparently, obstruction of justice is not at least that is what I am told.  I do not see how any judicial system could even begin to function without something to forbid obstructing investigations.  

But both the mothers of the boys go on TV and cry and cry while Beth does not and forces herself to maintain composure.  She is the one who might be crying.  That tells me a great deal but mostly that Beth knows her child has not done anything wrong.  And the mothers cry because they cannot see their boys.  Well, boo hoo!  I think Beth might want to see her daughter about now but guess what?  She probaby never will again, at least not alive, and these boys know something and are refusing to even tell what they do know and have even lied to throw off LE from any chance of finding NH.

My last hope is with the search team, if they fail to find anything, guess it is pretty much over and they (whomever) just got away with it.   Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #314 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:31 AM »

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I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.   Evil or Very Mad   Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!


Some of it I think is legitimate curiosity and trying to get all the details possible to make a good opinion about what might have happened.

But with a lot of posters I've seen it seems to be pure and simple cynicism.  They can't believe that a teenager might actually have good values and be a good person.  

And some of it is I think extreme skepticism about anything that is said in the media.  If her friends say one thing then they must be exaggereating lying.
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« Reply #315 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:31 AM »

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coco, according to Canal 90 they have interrogated AvdS


I think its a bit disgusting to see Jug smile with glee at Paul's arrest.  He'll probably be so happy if they charge AVDS as well.

You know when people get killed or murdered you always see the family crying and sobbing...I have not seen it in MSM. Maybe they cry off camera, but it sure looks cold to me...it raises no sympathy...so I hope hope the spin doc relay this to the them.


I've commented before on those extended family dynamics and your conclusions are not exactly as my own; however, Jug's public (on TV behavior over these past three weeks certainly allows enough to comment upon his interaction with Beth and that with NH....)  I offer his public statement about his relationship with his bio-son...was that George, last night, and his comments about Natalee...

If you heard it, you know what I heard...and if you didn't then you didn't...suffice to say it was different...it was.
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« Reply #316 on: June 26, 2005, 01:00:59 AM »

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I am new to posting here but have been reading for days.  The answers to so many of these so-called concerns have already been posted here.  One example is the friends of NH saying they were all standing outside getting into taxis to go back to the HI and right then and there, NH indicated to her friend she was returning with the second group of MB students, NOT that she was going with Joren at all.

She was at the very back of the group, taxis pulling up, loading people.  Perhaps because of his size, Joren was able to shield her from their view and hustle her into their car or it was the only one left as she was at the rear of the group.  I remain convinced she thought she was getting into a taxi like everybody else before her had done.

This would explain the mother of the brothers saying she never spoke one word to them.  She thought they were taxi drivers.

I am from Alabama and am on here for the poster asking.  It gets hard to stomache all the suspicion placed on the victim, her family and even the MB kids instead of whomever did this.   Evil or Very Mad   Makes my blood boil and I can only take it in small doses.  Such a desperate attempt to find some dirt on the victim or the family.  Gotta wonder why!


Wow. Sorry you're so offended by what we're all typing here. I don't think there is anyone on this board who would say they don't feel badly about Natalee's disappearance or who don't feel her parent's pain. That being said, please keep in mind taht this board is set up for people who are interested in solving crimes. We are simply trying to put the peices of the puzzle together. I can see how someone related to the victim could take offense to it, and I'm sorry, but that doesn't change the purpose of this board. Noone is here to "blame" Natalee or her family.....we are just trying to place the peices to the puzzle, the same way we've been trying to place the peices to the puzzle of the Van Der Sloots.
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« Reply #317 on: June 26, 2005, 01:01:06 AM »

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You know if you discount all of the lies, retractions, disagreeing statements, and things never released in the investigation, you have a very simple answer to all this.


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« Reply #318 on: June 26, 2005, 01:01:09 AM »

the flight left for Alabama at 2Pm from Aruba? I'm sure between those hours and the hurs that the Twitty's left they were at least able to talk to the cousins.
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« Reply #319 on: June 26, 2005, 01:01:24 AM »

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I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.


Really, and who won?
Or the question is who lost? and how much?


If it was the same tourney on sunday Joran finished 4th, I believe that is a jug reference.
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