RBN #26 NightCrew Sat/Sun

[sunmoonstars]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

[puggywug]

If he regularly does these heinous acts, as a regular, with all this worldwide publicity, wouldn't another victim have come forward by now?

Not if he strictly targeted girls who were already intoxicated, heading back to the States the next day.  A lawyer representing an American girl who was admittedly very drunk would have a rather difficult time getting a rape conviction against Joran in an Aruban court.

If there is any pattern to his behavior, I would also lean to believe that he boasts about his father's standing as a judge on island, thus further intimidating any girl who can't recall exactly what happened the previous night.

I was not talking about other victims in terms of them seeking conviction. It just seems likely if he regularly targeted intoxicated American girls leaving the next day - one of them might recognize his picture, which has been all over the news.  It seems that whether his father is a judge or just one-in-training at this point is moot, since he is also in custody. It's the perfect time for a victim of this supposed serial preditor to come forward and write the best-selling book! There hasn't been one - or even a fake one out to just make a buck - doesn't that fact strike you as interesting?

ONCE AGAIN, I repeat, how do you know no one has come forward? How would any of us know? We don't know ANY facts about the evidence because it is against Dutch law to reveal it.  Anything disclosed to the media is inadmissable in trial.  

[TTownMike]

Well, somebody told Beth Twitty that she were leaving with Joran, or did the Alabama group just go to the van der Sloots because NH and Joran were talking in the casino?

Or, could it have been because Joran beat the pants off some people at cards in the casino and NH introduced herself to him at some point and indicated an interest? I'd like to know when NH really met Joran? Is it per Ed who had seen him with NH and her friends or per others, or on video? If this were my son. I'd have someone in ALA asking questions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Uh Cancun?  WHEREYOUBEEN?

[Whitney]

I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.

Really, and who won?

Don't know

Don't you wonder? Did someone get their arse beat? Who was involved in the "scuffle"? Where was the "scuffle"? What was the "scuffle" about? We're talking peoples lives here, too many questions for this mother. If it were my kid being blamed, I'd be asking questions.

I can post what the National Enquirer printed 1 week ago if you are interested.  I know it's a tabloid, please don't flame.  It does give a bit of a different spin than we've heard before.

pybird, please do!...I didn't see it...(I was going to add that I haven't seen the JFK Jr one either...but I did read it until my last package of chicken thighs rung up and the clerk asked me, "how're you going to pay for this?"

Thanks for posting it...or please, do PM me with it!

[puggywug]

columbo

But, aside from the few who have come foward on O'Reilly and Van Susteran, we have nothing else to go on. If the students (or parents of students) want to tell their story, then why not speak to the media? Why would this mother tell her story to Scared Monkey's and not CNN, FOX or any other news org. ??

Wow, I almost take offense to that comment.  

Here might be your answer. Maybe just maybe, Scared Monkeys has acted with more professionalism, courtesy and honesty with the MB teens and their parents than the MSM?

Trust me when I say this, I have said to more than 1 MSM producer this past week that they better start doing right by these kids. All remember, this is not like interviewing an adult. Like it or not they are teens and the same sleazy MSM rules do not apply.

Why would they come on here huh and say it. Thanks a lot.

Wow.   I'm almost take offense that you would take offense at my comment!

Why wouldn't the MB students use the MSM to get their story out? How do you know that the MSM uses SLEAZY rules?? I enjoy this website, but in all honesty, it IS a website. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but are you suggesting that this website is the end all of all news?? We have the MSM giving every account of the suspects, yet there is no word on Natalee's friend's statements in the MSM. Sorry you're so offended by my question. Geez!

UH, oh...

[igsigs]

How can these guys hold up under such intense scrutiny and pressure? since i am too lazy to write out my whole theory on what happenned that night i thought i would just write out what specific charges the current suspects believe they would face if they told the truth.
imo

steve croes - drug dealing leading to death, obstruction

satish k. - body disposal, obstruction

deepak k. - drugs(middle man?) leading to death, body disposal, obstruction

PVDS - obstruction

JVDS - manslaughter, body disposal, obstruction.

in this scenerio, JVDS, Deepak and Croes do not talk because of the seriousness of the charges and PVDS and Satish do not talk to try and save son/brother.

Maybe it's because they're innocent? BTW why don't you list the "evidence" against them. Sorry, that was rhetorical question because there is no evidence...

You saying that there is "no evidence" is the same as me saying that there "is evidence". neither of us know what LE has. i was just giving an opinion.

[TTownMike]

The woman's daughter DID tell her story to the MSM - it was Dash's mother who wrote that post.

Ok, sorry....I don't know who Dash is. My point is we have no idea if Natalee thought she was getting into a cab or her friends assumed she was getting into a cab. For all we know, Nat was comfortable enough with Joran to leave with him, or maybe not. If we had more statements from Nat's friends her name/reputation would not be in question. It seems like the MB folks are getting upset by what they're reading here, but we don't have enough information from the other students/friends to discount the rumors and speculations.

Thanks for calling me on my error though, Puggy. I love to be proven wrong.      

Re Dash's mom, Nat said she was going back to HI!  Granted being 4 weeks into this some folks weren't payin tention, Iguess!

[Lausa]

I think this article might answer some of your questions.

http://www.clintonnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050616/NEWS/506160357/1001

Now that was an article that did add dimension to Natalee!  Maybe it's just the difference in Mississippi and Mountain Brook style.  I love the idea of a girl who'd invent a closet with a magic KoolAde button, or who'd bring in a prayer list that even included the boys she didn't like.  Nice depiction of her personality.

[Compananzi]

ok, its late and I am just gonna be a dumba** and ask this b/c sometimes ya'lls abbreviations throw me off..justtrying to catch up here with the posts..what is an MSM? <hanging head in embarrassment because i know it will be obvious when i hear it>

Main scream Media .... uh Stream..

[Anna]

The MB kids HAVE been quoted and on TV, in the MSM.  I don't know what you mean, I believe it is CancunMole who does not seem to ever catch the interviews.  This was a group of 140 students, not some intimate group of five or six.  I would think the vast majority of them would not be monitoring NH's movements but would be concentrating on having fun themselves.  I doubt they can remember which day they might have seen her where, etc.  Many of them might hardly know her.

But I have seen several on TV and there are articles posted in the newspapers all the time.  What exactly is it you want them to do or say?

[puggywug]

I think this article might answer some of your questions.
http://www.clintonnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050616/NEWS/506160357/1001

Now that was an article that did add dimension to Natalee!  Maybe it's just the difference in Mississippi and Mountain Brook style.  I love the idea of a girl who'd invent a closet with a magic KoolAde button, or who'd bring in a prayer list that even included the boys she didn't like.  Nice depiction of her personality.

Also, didn't someone who knows Natalee also say that she babysits children with autism?  She sounds like such a warm person.

[sunmoonstars]

In regards to the MB group not talking.......here is the proof they were asked by the Holloway family not to.

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.

[inspector_detector]

How can these guys hold up under such intense scrutiny and pressure? since i am too lazy to write out my whole theory on what happenned that night i thought i would just write out what specific charges the current suspects believe they would face if they told the truth.
imo

steve croes - drug dealing leading to death, obstruction

satish k. - body disposal, obstruction

deepak k. - drugs(middle man?) leading to death, body disposal, obstruction

PVDS - obstruction

JVDS - manslaughter, body disposal, obstruction.

in this scenerio, JVDS, Deepak and Croes do not talk because of the seriousness of the charges and PVDS and Satish do not talk to try and save son/brother.

Maybe it's because they're innocent? BTW why don't you list the "evidence" against them. Sorry, that was rhetorical question because there is no evidence...

Lying repeatedly is pretty good evidence against him if you ask me.  I don't know what he did, but he has something to hide otherwise he wouldn't be lying.

If everyone that ever told a lie was in jail, there would be a lot of people in jail.  

[pybird]

I'm sure Beth Twitty has spoken with kids on the trip.  The article in the July 4 issue of People magazine mentions that Jug spoke with Natalee's cousins Thomas and Hunter Twitty who were on the trip and learned that Thomas has played poker with Joran that same night.

Really, and who won?

Don't know

Don't you wonder? Did someone get their arse beat? Who was involved in the "scuffle"? Where was the "scuffle"? What was the "scuffle" about? We're talking peoples lives here, too many questions for this mother. If it were my kid being blamed, I'd be asking questions.

I can post what the National Enquirer printed 1 week ago if you are interested.  I know it's a tabloid, please don't flame.  It does give a bit of a different spin than we've heard before.

pybird, please do!...I didn't see it...(I was going to add that I haven't seen the JFK Jr one either...but I did read it until my last package of chicken thighs rung up and the clerk asked me, "how're you going to pay for this?"

Thanks for posting it...or please, do PM me with it!

Whitney, I posted a snippet from the article a page or 2 back.  Let me know if you cannot find.

[CancunMole]

I am convinced that the "young adults", not "kids" who have appeared on National TV have a prepared "script". Therefore, therefore there should be the number of inconsistnecises we heard.

Apparently you haven't met our little Dash.

No scripts, Cancun. You're reaching here.

What many of you may not be understanding is that the AL teens that went on TV did not have scripts. Actually just the opposite that I would defer to arlee to explain if she wishes. It has been researched and backed up by calls that I have made.

Maybe the teens that everyone wants to hear from would go on the MSM shows if they were treated with respect and told the truth. These teens committed no crime yet they are sometimes given a harder time than they actual suspects in this case.

Do not confuse nervousness and bewilderment with inconsistencies.

I may be behind because of my dial up connection but believe me, I'm not BEHIND. This girl's mother has from the get go been IMOO, been beyond involvement. I personally question what the motives are? I have bolded my question so there is no other question about what I am asking. I'm from Maine originally and I'm sick of the BS. Dash is no more a confidant of NH than ED. Did no one else (with the replay, not get that ED deviated from the script?)

[Getagrip]

But I have seen several on TV and there are articles posted in the newspapers all the time.  What exactly is it you want them to do or say?

Good point, Anna. I find it bewildering that some come out in the defense of Arubans for being 'media shy' and not grant the same courtesy to the MBHS students, esp. since they are going through such a difficult time.

The fact is, they have been contacted and interviewed by the proper authorities (FBI). They don't owe us (the puclic) anything right now and I appreciate that they have felt comfortable with the SM crowd to give us some insight and information.

[Lausa]

I has been long enough for any woman who had any suspect encounter with Joran v/d sloot to have come forward. Maybe they have.  However, we have not heard of them.  Nor has anything been proven against Joran.  So it is no more than a theory that Joran is a serial date rapist.

However, his friends on his websites do tease him about "roofies" and his friends and even his family say how much he likes women.  And he is fond of hanging out at C&C's where many tourist women go.

Locker room talk?  Bullshooting?  I'm 55, but I sure remember the way my younger brother and his friends used to "brag"...the more braggadacious (spelling) a fellow was, the less likely there was that much truth.  The guys who were "scoring" were much less likely to talk.  But that was what==well, skip the math, let's say a long time ago.

[puggywug]

I am convinced that the "young adults", not "kids" who have appeared on National TV have a prepared "script". Therefore, therefore there should be the number of inconsistnecises we heard.

Apparently you haven't met our little Dash.
No scripts, Cancun. You're reaching here.

What many of you may not be understanding is that the AL teens that went on TV did not have scripts. Actually just the opposite that I would defer to arlee to explain if she wishes. It has been researched and backed up by calls that I have made.
Maybe the teens that everyone wants to hear from would go on the MSM shows if they were treated with respect and told the truth. These teens committed no crime yet they are sometimes given a harder time than they actual suspects in this case.
Do not confuse nervousness and bewilderment with inconsistencies.

I may be behind because of my dial up connection but believe me, I'm not BEHIND. This girl's mother has from the get go been IMOO, been beyond involvement. I personally question what the motives are? I have bolded my question so there is no other question about what I am asking. I'm from Maine originally and I'm sick of the BS. Dash is no more a confidant of NH than ED. Did no one else (with the replay, not get that ED deviated from the script?)

Actually, Dash said she is not one of Natalee's closest friends.  But, they are friends, and they were Calculus partners.

[bobntexas]

I may be behind because of my dial up connection but believe me, I'm not BEHIND. This girl's mother has from the get go been IMOO, been beyond involvement. I personally question what the motives are? I have bolded my question so there is no other question about what I am asking. I'm from Maine originally and I'm sick of the BS. Dash is no more a confidant of NH than ED. Did no one else (with the replay, not get that ED deviated from the script?)[/quote]

What does being from Maine originally have to do with this?

[Red]

I am convinced that the "young adults", not "kids" who have appeared on National TV have a prepared "script". Therefore, therefore there should be the number of inconsistnecises we heard.

Apparently you haven't met our little Dash.

No scripts, Cancun. You're reaching here.

What many of you may not be understanding is that the AL teens that went on TV did not have scripts. Actually just the opposite that I would defer to arlee to explain if she wishes. It has been researched and backed up by calls that I have made.

Maybe the teens that everyone wants to hear from would go on the MSM shows if they were treated with respect and told the truth. These teens committed no crime yet they are sometimes given a harder time than they actual suspects in this case.

Do not confuse nervousness and bewilderment with inconsistencies.

Yeah RED  And leave us not fail to understand that the interrogations in here at time would tend to drive em off, too!  Sotaspeak!

I agree. The teens came on here and answered ever question people had long before they ever hit the MSM circus shows. Even when they answered the questions many just badgered them because it was not the answer they wanted to hear.

I was told in some cases the 3rd degree they got here made the shoes a bit easier. However, that does not justify some of the rude behavior they received. People need to understand who the suspects are in this case and not go after the witnesses.

Sure everyone would like all the answers, but even eye witnesses do not remember everything. Do not ever forget, they are teens.