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« Reply #500 on: June 26, 2005, 02:33:09 AM »

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In regards to the MB group not talking.......here is the proof they were asked by the Holloway family not to.

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.


No. Arlee just explained this about an hour ago (maybe more -- I've lost all concept of time). She said one paper interviewed a sophomore who didn't go on the trip and said he couldn't answer questions because he didn't go on the trip. that came out in the paper as he refused to talk because the family didn't want him to. the kids then said, "oh, they don't want us to talk? OK." and they didn't talk. But Dash's mom said the family NEVER ASKED THIS.
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« Reply #501 on: June 26, 2005, 02:34:06 AM »

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SORRY RED, I don''t believe that! I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THEM WHO WERE ON THIS TRIP WERE IN FACT GIVEN A SCRIPT TO FOLLOW.


WHY?


Because he is just like every other cynical conspiracy theorist on this board, they want to believe the worst and most ridiculous things possible.


That's what I thought...  Beats me why people draw conclusions based on nothing.  zip...nadda...just their own imagination and cuz it makes them feel special to talk about something "different".  Takes all kinds...
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« Reply #502 on: June 26, 2005, 02:34:52 AM »

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How can these guys hold up under such intense scrutiny and pressure? since i am too lazy to write out my whole theory on what happenned that night i thought i would just write out what specific charges the current suspects believe they would face if they told the truth.
imo

steve croes - drug dealing leading to death, obstruction

satish k. - body disposal, obstruction

deepak k. - drugs(middle man?) leading to death, body disposal, obstruction

PVDS - obstruction

JVDS - manslaughter, body disposal, obstruction.

in this scenerio, JVDS, Deepak and Croes do not talk because of the seriousness of the charges and PVDS and Satish do not talk to try and save son/brother.


Maybe it's because they're innocent? BTW why don't you list the "evidence" against them. Sorry, that was rhetorical question because there is no evidence...


Lying repeatedly is pretty good evidence against him if you ask me.  I don't know what he did, but he has something to hide otherwise he wouldn't be lying.


If everyone that ever told a lie was in jail, there would be a lot of people in jail.  Rolling Eyes


So you are telling me that his repeated lying regarding the disappearence of a missing girl is not evidence against him?  Maybe he is innocent, but his lying has killed any credibility he has and has logically made him the prime suspect in the case.


I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...


I guess you have inside access to the Aruban LE, right? You don't know that their is no evidence. You don't know what they found in the house.  YOu don't know what they have said in interrogations.  You don't know what tips they have received.  You don't know what their searches have found.  

You don't know anything more than any of us.
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« Reply #503 on: June 26, 2005, 02:35:48 AM »

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DT - I think part of the questioning is that it's really rare to see a public case like this that is so completely controlled in terms of media coverage and image. Just thinking in comparison to say the Elizabeth Smart case where there were all sorts of runours and innuendoes and such - not condoning those but that's how the media operates and we don't see it here.

I also don't think....

And I think that that is part of what stirs interest in the case - we're seeing an image of acceptable or even "good" young adult behavior that is very different from the definition that many of us grew up with. This is not ... NOT ... blaming Natalee or the parents or anything like that - it's about Natalee as a symbol for a shift in our culture and how we react. These discussions are probably not meant for folks who are close to the situation itself - for you all, it's personal and about someone you know. But online, in a blog, etc it becomes also about ideas and broader cultural implications. One thing I value here is that I don't think anyone, no matter what their theory of the case, forgets that at the core is the disappearance of a lovely young woman who did not deserve whatever has happened to her - and I think we all ache for her and her family.

But you're missing the point no one is claiming anyone is perfect.  They're claiming she was a very good person with good morals.  Nothing we know yet contradicts that. We don't know how much she drank or even if she gambled.  I wouldn't be surprised if she did both of these things.  But I think that is entirely consistent with a person who has good morals.


DT, agreed!  No real evidense of any negative characteristics in Natalee! (Though some seem relentless in efforts to undermine her character)!

At the same time, Urine was seemingly "good kid"!  Im sure he has "charm" (see links around here to "psychopath") which if ya thank about it contributes to NAt being sucked in!  
And too, I see that no one seems to say that urine ha done this before.  (But who knows how close he may have come with other TARGETS?)


So just keep "Urine" and his dad in prison. And then we'll all be happy right? Since we all know he's guilty of raping and killing Natalee. The Twittys should all be happy and content and can go back home. What more could they have hoped for? Rolling Eyes


Its the LAW in Aruba that see approp. it to keep them in prison!  What we know is Urine was the last one seen with her and we know that he is lying to cover something up!  And we know she is still missing!  So, would you rather the LE back off and leave the poor little MANCHILD alone?
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« Reply #504 on: June 26, 2005, 02:36:00 AM »

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In regards to the MB group not talking.......here is the proof they were asked by the Holloway family not to.

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.


No. Arlee just explained this about an hour ago (maybe more -- I've lost all concept of time). She said one paper interviewed a sophomore who didn't go on the trip and said he couldn't answer questions because he didn't go on the trip. that came out in the paper as he refused to talk because the family didn't want him to. the kids then said, "oh, they don't want us to talk? OK." and they didn't talk. But Dash's mom said the family NEVER ASKED THIS.


I missed that, sorry. However, that was what was quoted in the newspaper. It would make perfect sense to me and maybe explain to some why they aren't blabbing everything!
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« Reply #505 on: June 26, 2005, 02:36:26 AM »

I have seen at least one if not two of the roommates at the HI on TV, her best friend that went on the trip and the young man who saw her at C&C on TV and several others.  There are plenty of quotes in newspapers.

I think the problem is they all say she was a nice girl and did not do anything out of the ordinary on the trip, nothing noteworthy.  Now that just does not seem to be what some want to hear but if it is the truth, it just is.

They all say basically the same thing but instead of taking this to mean it is probably the truth, some seem to try to attach sinister motives to the entire senior class.  Good grief!!  Seems nothing less than some lurid tales will do but what if there just were not any to tell.  

Maybe the MB kids should make up negative things to say about her?  That sure seems to be what some want and nothing less will do but if that is the way she was, what else can they say?  Not all kids lie.

If all 140 of them said the same thing, then it would be "scripted" and not what some want to hear.  My own kids would be far too shy to go on national TV as some of these have done.  And if one of them were to so much as misspeak on one word, it would be pounced on unmercifully and far more made of it than should be.  Get your Tuesday mixed up with Wednesday and off it would all go.  They are traumatized enough as it is without adding to it some sort of media feeding frenzy.

I didn't hear anybody demanding that Baby speak to the media when he was released for a full ten days.  I wonder why no one wanted to hear his version of things straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.  Oh, right!  His father told him to keep quiet and not say anything at all, not even to the mother of the girl he was last seen with.  Why didn't Joren go on Fox as the MB kids did and tell his version for he was released free and clear to go about his life just as though nothing had happened until his second arrest?  Did he hold any press interviews or appear on any national media?  If so, I must have missed that and can anyone provide a link to Joren's press releases for me, please?  Smile
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« Reply #506 on: June 26, 2005, 02:36:50 AM »

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I am convinced that the "young adults", not "kids" who have appeared on National TV have a prepared "script". Therefore, therefore there should be the number of inconsistnecises we heard.


Apparently you haven't met our little Dash.

No scripts, Cancun. You're reaching here.


What many of you may not be understanding is that the AL teens that went on TV did not have scripts. Actually just the opposite that I would defer to arlee to explain if she wishes. It has been researched and backed up by calls that I have made.

Maybe the teens that everyone wants to hear from would go on the MSM shows if they were treated with respect and told the truth. These teens committed no crime yet they are sometimes given a harder time than they actual suspects in this case.

Do not confuse nervousness and bewilderment with inconsistencies.


SORRY RED, I don''t believe that! I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THEM WHO WERE ON THIS TRIP WERE IN FACT GIVEN A SCRIPT TO FOLLOW.


Not to be the devils advocate but I bolded the qoute and would you not say those apply to the suspect as well? We judge harshly when a Young boy scared of his wits tries to hid the fact that he was with Nat...perhaps so far he does not know what happened to her?  The interogation vs the MSM that are  giving the MB students a hard time is no comparison.  In fact all the MB interviews I found it well scripted.. I know I know..its just the way it came accross..the young man on Oreilly was much better tho, but then again he actually said nice things of Joran.
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« Reply #507 on: June 26, 2005, 02:37:48 AM »

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The MB kids HAVE been quoted and on TV, in the MSM.  I don't know what you mean, I believe it is CancunMole who does not seem to ever catch the interviews.  This was a group of 140 students, not some intimate group of five or six.  I would think the vast majority of them would not be monitoring NH's movements but would be concentrating on having fun themselves.  I doubt they can remember which day they might have seen her where, etc.  Many of them might hardly know her.

But I have seen several on TV and there are articles posted in the newspapers all the time.  What exactly is it you want them to do or say?


1. What did Natalee say about Joran to her friends?
2. Did they see Joran w/Nat at the concert at the beach?
3. What time did Joran show up at C&C's?
4. Who did Natalee go to C&C's with and how did she get to C&C's?
5. What time did Natalee arrive at C&C's?
6. How much did she have to drink?
7. Were there any other people who could have slipped something in her dirnk?
8. Were the Kalpoe brothers with Joran at C&C's?
9. Where did Natalee go after the casino?
10. Did Natalee have any contact with Joran before the encounter at the casino?
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« Reply #508 on: June 26, 2005, 02:39:02 AM »

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Wow.  I'm almost take offense that you would take offense at my comment!  

Why wouldn't the MB students use the MSM to get their story out? How do you know that the MSM uses SLEAZY rules?? I enjoy this website, but in all honesty, it IS a website. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but are you suggesting that this website is the end all of all news?? We have the MSM giving every account of the suspects, yet there is no word on Natalee's friend's statements in the MSM. Sorry you're so offended by my question. Geez!


Actually its a blog not a website. I understand you enjoy it, I hope so because you are here.

Columbo, how do I know the MSM uses sleazy rules? You would ask a blogger such a question. Wow. Other than they fact that most every MB parent would back me on this , they do. I know you think this is like some insignificant blog and compared to the MSM it is. However, do you know how many MSM producers have contatced us on this story? Too many. Some have been better than others. Every network including multiple ones for different shows on each network. I am not at liberty to say names as I promised them.

Please think about the question you asked because you actually answer yourself. Why wouldn't the MB teens go on the shows? Why have there been so few? Maybe (I think I would know) that they are being treated poorly. It as been referenced many times prior to tonight.
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« Reply #509 on: June 26, 2005, 02:40:02 AM »

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If anyone thinks Jug is outta line, FERGITTABOUTIT!

LMAO! Gotta love Mike  Laughing

Totally agree with you. Although Natalee may not be his own flesh and blood daughter, Jug sees the pain and torture his wife is going through and is acting as her protector.


Uh, well, Hello!?  He is in fack her stepdad!  And being such, would he serve the position better if he jes didnt givea sh__?  Sotaspeak!
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« Reply #510 on: June 26, 2005, 02:41:18 AM »

Goodnight monkeys. Don't be TOO nice... Wink
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« Reply #511 on: June 26, 2005, 02:41:21 AM »

ok, in order as to not tick off the powers that be Wink , i will not quote Anna's entire post..But, I want to say that her take on things, and her level of intelligence  IMHO, is right on the money!! Good job Anna! Very elequently "spoken"..
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« Reply #513 on: June 26, 2005, 02:42:06 AM »

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I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...

Well said, Inspector!
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« Reply #514 on: June 26, 2005, 02:42:18 AM »

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Not to be the devils advocate but I bolded the qoute and would you not say those apply to the suspect as well? We judge harshly when a Young boy scared of his wits tries to hid the fact that he was with Nat...perhaps so far he does not know what happened to her?  The interogation vs the MSM that are  giving the MB students a hard time is no comparison.  In fact all the MB interviews I found it well scripted.. I know I know..its just the way it came accross..the young man on Oreilly was much better tho, but then again he actually said nice things of Joran.


a Young boy scared of his wits tries to hid the fact that he was with Nat...  Excuse me, but quite a few people saw him with Natalee.  He isn't trying to hide the fact that he left with her--he's trying to hide what he did with her after he left!  You're not being a devil's advocate--you're trying to excuse the inexcusable.
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« Reply #515 on: June 26, 2005, 02:42:32 AM »

Maybe we could post this as a poll for everyone to choose whcih scenario they best think has happened.

Run-A-Way Tourist -5%-(my Prayers are for this one)
Kidnapping-10%
Murder-10%-(Drugged sexually assaulted death)
Drugged then succumbed-10%-(perscription drug interaction with alcohol)
Drugged then Murdered-2%
Accidential Death no one involved-25%-(drowned after she left Joran)
Accidential Death Joran involved-36%-(She resisted advances then accident)
Human Trafficing-2%-



This is just my opinion. No facts support these theories. What are your Scenarios and percentages?

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« Reply #516 on: June 26, 2005, 02:42:38 AM »

The MB students probably did SOUND scripted.  Wouldn't you if you had been in a position to have to defend yourself over and over for weeks while people on websites like these and on MSM were asking things like "Why didn't her friends stop her?", "Were they all drunk?", "Where were the chaperones?".  They may not have been in an interrogation room with police officers, but I'm sure they have all been questioned repeatedly and I know they have all been accused of not taking care of Natalee like they should.  So, yes, they may have sounded a little scripted and defensive, but I understand why.  Amazing though, there stories have remained the same.
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« Reply #517 on: June 26, 2005, 02:42:48 AM »

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So just keep "Urine" and his dad in prison. And then we'll all be happy right? Since we all know he's guilty of raping and killing Natalee. The Twittys should all be happy and content and can go back home. What more could they have hoped for? Rolling Eyes

That none of this tragedy had ever occured and their daughter was at home, safe and sound??? Rolling Eyes


Tellem boutit puggywuggy!
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« Reply #518 on: June 26, 2005, 02:44:22 AM »

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1. What did Natalee say about Joran to her friends?
2. Did they see Joran w/Nat at the concert at the beach?
3. What time did Joran show up at C&C's?
4. Who did Natalee go to C&C's with and how did she get to C&C's?
5. What time did Natalee arrive at C&C's?
6. How much did she have to drink?
7. Were there any other people who could have slipped something in her dirnk?
8. Were the Kalpoe brothers with Joran at C&C's?
9. Where did Natalee go after the casino?
10. Did Natalee have any contact with Joran before the encounter at the casino?


I am sure the FBI and the Aruban authorities have these answers and many more.  We have been told by the Aruban authorities to be patient.  Why can't you listen to the people in charge of the investigation on the island?
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« Reply #519 on: June 26, 2005, 02:44:25 AM »

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Inspector_Detector said:
I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...

Well said, Inspector!


Yes well said.  You certainly know for sure that their is no evidence in this case given that the police force has been completely silent in regards to evidence and leads, and I'm happy to see that Sobelle can recoqnize this as well.
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