RBN #26 NightCrew Sat/Sun

[Whitney]

Columbo--

I do not know yet how to post a quote but think they waste too much space anyway.  What few kids have granted interviews have had them twisted and have been misquoted.  They are just kids and are not accustomed to being interrogated or made to feel that they did something wrong as has happened in other interviews.  They have been harshly asked why they did not look out for their friend and things like that.  They had no idea what was going to happen. If you were 17-18 and on national media with someone badgering you as to why you did not look out for a member of your group, what exactly would you say?

Interesting that some want the kids grilled far more than the suspects.  And no, these are not stepford kids and not perfect but the sure do not go out drinking and gambling every night, either.  Just not done in this part of the country.

They are also from very privileged families, some of the most privileged in the country, some of them.  They have condos on the beach, most all homes have nice swimming pools, many private planes, etc.  Joren would not be in their league in this country.  I seriously doubt NH was very impressed with him at all, contrary to what some think.  He was younger than her for one thing and she was a very mature girl for her age.  I think she tried to be friendly and this is where it got her.  And Boyz2Men is no biggie here, either.  Doubt she would even bother to attend if they were in B'ham.  My kids wouldn't for sure.  Most of those kids also spent the entire days on the beach.  They were not some desperate gang out for any and every thrill.  I know dozens of kids just like them who do not have to have the wild stuff to have a good life.  And I don't believe any bartender can remember the exact number of drinks served to every customer like that, either.  

So as I asked before, why trash the MB kids, the victim or her family?  I believe if there were any dirt it would have come out long before now and most of what I have seen is just pure fabrication of dirt/suspicion where none exists.  Believe it or not, lots of families do not have deep dark evil secrets but even if they did, so what?  Does that mean their daughter should be made to disappear and likely killed in some horrific manner?  What am I missing here?  

Just want to quote/save this post for my own...she's special!

You make a perfect case of Joran being innocent, he is 17, and he has not confessed during interrogation...could it be that is telling the truth, for get the stories changing I can see either a panic since the next day the girl dissapeared, you can see why as story can seem like he is lying but it may have been twisted by police misinfomation and sloppy reporting of MSM?

...oh yeah, Compananzi...cut to the chase...the law (NL, Aruba) favors the defendent:  no body...only ONE has been convicted of murder...is that how you spell it?  murrrrderrr?....(toss the hair...)...I understand...my daughter, if not found...and Joran and his Vater may go free...

[sunmoonstars]

I happen to have a 17 yr old daughter that graduated this year. Personally, I would not have allowed her to go on a trip like this. Heck, I wouldn't allow her to go to Galveston after Prom like many of the seniors did. So, although Natalee seems to be by all accounts much like my daughter...I know girls talk! They talk about boys, who was with who, what they were wearing, etc. So, while I have the greatest of compassion and sympathy for the MB group.......I know teenagers. The things they did, saw and discussed could answer alot of unanswered questions.
Respectfully,

Another teens mom

[iquitos]

Columbo--

I do not know yet how to post a quote but think they waste too much space anyway.  What few kids have granted interviews have had them twisted and have been misquoted.  They are just kids and are not accustomed to being interrogated or made to feel that they did something wrong as has happened in other interviews.  They have been harshly asked why they did not look out for their friend and things like that.  They had no idea what was going to happen. If you were 17-18 and on national media with someone badgering you as to why you did not look out for a member of your group, what exactly would you say?

Interesting that some want the kids grilled far more than the suspects.  And no, these are not stepford kids and not perfect but the sure do not go out drinking and gambling every night, either.  Just not done in this part of the country.

They are also from very privileged families, some of the most privileged in the country, some of them.  They have condos on the beach, most all homes have nice swimming pools, many private planes, etc.  Joren would not be in their league in this country.  I seriously doubt NH was very impressed with him at all, contrary to what some think.  He was younger than her for one thing and she was a very mature girl for her age.  I think she tried to be friendly and this is where it got her.  And Boyz2Men is no biggie here, either.  Doubt she would even bother to attend if they were in B'ham.  My kids wouldn't for sure.  Most of those kids also spent the entire days on the beach.  They were not some desperate gang out for any and every thrill.  I know dozens of kids just like them who do not have to have the wild stuff to have a good life.  And I don't believe any bartender can remember the exact number of drinks served to every customer like that, either.  

So as I asked before, why trash the MB kids, the victim or her family?  I believe if there were any dirt it would have come out long before now and most of what I have seen is just pure fabrication of dirt/suspicion where none exists.  Believe it or not, lots of families do not have deep dark evil secrets but even if they did, so what?  Does that mean their daughter should be made to disappear and likely killed in some horrific manner?  What am I missing here?  

Just want to quote/save this post for my own...she's special!

You make a perfect case of Joran being innocent, he is 17, and he has not confessed during interrogation...could it be that is telling the truth, for get the stories changing I can see either a panic since the next day the girl dissapeared, you can see why as story can seem like he is lying but it may have been twisted by police misinfomation and sloppy reporting of MSM?

 

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. or is it as alike as a jug and a jar?

[Compananzi]

The MB kids HAVE been quoted and on TV, in the MSM.  I don't know what you mean, I believe it is CancunMole who does not seem to ever catch the interviews.  This was a group of 140 students, not some intimate group of five or six.  I would think the vast majority of them would not be monitoring NH's movements but would be concentrating on having fun themselves.  I doubt they can remember which day they might have seen her where, etc.  Many of them might hardly know her.

But I have seen several on TV and there are articles posted in the newspapers all the time.  What exactly is it you want them to do or say?

1. What did Natalee say about Joran to her friends? He' s different from the guys I ve met

2. Did they see Joran w/Nat at the concert at the beach? I dont think they ever said that ..SBF was off the radar for all intent and purpose..still a place of potential alcohol and drugs..reggea you know..

3. What time did Joran show up at C&C's? It must have been 12 or 12.30

4. Who did Natalee go to C&C's with and how did she get to C&C's? some 40 MBers, and taxi I guess

5. What time did Natalee arrive at C&C's? [Probably 12 or sooner

6. How much did she have to drink? 2 drinks..or 2 yards, charlies famous drink. Search webshots, for charlies in aruba..its a hoot..Wild wild wild..

7. Were there any other people who could have slipped something in her dirnk? Speculation..but 2 drugs keep repeating GBH and X


8. Were the Kalpoe brothers with Joran at C&C's? Yes
9. Where did Natalee go after the casino? Youd think CnC

10. Did Natalee have any contact with Joran before the encounter at the casino?

Probably

Hmm. those are good question to start tho..

[puggywug]

Inspector_Detector said:
I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...
Well said, Inspector!

Wait, you're forgetting something.  The authorities cannot reveal what evidence they have or it would be deemed INADMISSABLE in trial.  Sheesh.  How many times do we have to go over this?  We are ALL speculating, every single one of us here.  No one is RIGHT and no one is WRONG.  But one thing is probably wrong to assume (you know what they say about "assuming") is that the Aruban authorities have no evidence.  

[CancunMole]

I may be behind because of my dial up connection but believe me, I'm not BEHIND. This girl's mother has from the get go been IMOO, been beyond involvement. I personally question what the motives are? I have bolded my question so there is no other question about what I am asking. I'm from Maine originally and I'm sick of the BS. Dash is no more a confidant of NH than ED. Did no one else (with the replay, not get that ED deviated from the script?)

Cancun, the motives are a mother's love for her daughter!  I bolded the answer so there is no doubt about the answer.  I am a mother of a 21 year old, and I would do the same.  When I mentioned to my daughter that I admired Beth H. Twitty for her strength in the face of incredible pain, my daughter said "Mom, you would do the same!"

I too am a mother. I have two sons, I have exposed my sons beyond the "norm" of America. I have allowed them to drink, in our home at meals and on trips. I have allowed them to gamble (you can see my thoughts by SEARCH id interested, and I've taught them to respect others.  My children know how to act/behave when they leave the country.

JUu said his kids had gone  3 years ago and had told him about Aruba. So why let NH go? When any parent has information, don't blame.. PLEASE KNOW THAT AS A MOTHER, I WANT THIS YOUNG GIRL TO COME HOME but don't blame a country for something that can't be fixed.

[puggywug]

The MB students probably did SOUND scripted.  Wouldn't you if you had been in a position to have to defend yourself over and over for weeks while people on websites like these and on MSM were asking things like "Why didn't her friends stop her?", "Were they all drunk?", "Where were the chaperones?".  They may not have been in an interrogation room with police officers, but I'm sure they have all been questioned repeatedly and I know they have all been accused of not taking care of Natalee like they should.  So, yes, they may have sounded a little scripted and defensive, but I understand why.  Amazing though, there stories have remained the same.

Great explanation, dragonfly!  

[MsPooh]

So just keep "Urine" and his dad in prison. And then we'll all be happy right? Since we all know he's guilty of raping and killing Natalee. The Twittys should all be happy and content and can go back home. What more could they have hoped for?

That none of this tragedy had ever occured and their daughter was at home, safe and sound???

Tellem boutit puggywuggy!

All I can ask to these ppl knocking the parents is..do you have kids yourselves? I do and bet that if God forbid something like this happened to one of my kids I would move hell or high water,  find money that I didn't know that I had to pay ransom,knock whatever heads together I had to to get to the truth...dayum staight the parents are mad as hell...they are being railroaded and having to do alot of the investigation on their own.Hopping off my soapbox..'tis getting so very late..

[TTownMike]

How can these guys hold up under such intense scrutiny and pressure? since i am too lazy to write out my whole theory on what happenned that night i thought i would just write out what specific charges the current suspects believe they would face if they told the truth.
imo

steve croes - drug dealing leading to death, obstruction

satish k. - body disposal, obstruction

deepak k. - drugs(middle man?) leading to death, body disposal, obstruction

PVDS - obstruction

JVDS - manslaughter, body disposal, obstruction.

in this scenerio, JVDS, Deepak and Croes do not talk because of the seriousness of the charges and PVDS and Satish do not talk to try and save son/brother.

Maybe it's because they're innocent? BTW why don't you list the "evidence" against them. Sorry, that was rhetorical question because there is no evidence...

Well, I guess I gotta agree witchu!  IMPLICATIONS? YEP! LIES? YEP!  EVIDENCE? SOME!  But I reckon, since they ain't got it all THEY SHOULD LETTEM ALL GO!!!!!!!!!! Am I follerin ya right here?

[nikkibnurse]

G'night monkey friends...hope one of you guys solves this thing by the time i wake up in the morning..have a good night!

[dragonfly]

G'night monkey friends...hope one of you guys solves this thing by the time i wake up in the morning..have a good night!

Night Nikki...

[Whitney]

Columbo--

I do not know yet how to post a quote but think they waste too much space anyway.  What few kids have granted interviews have had them twisted and have been misquoted.  They are just kids and are not accustomed to being interrogated or made to feel that they did something wrong as has happened in other interviews.  They have been harshly asked why they did not look out for their friend and things like that.  They had no idea what was going to happen. If you were 17-18 and on national media with someone badgering you as to why you did not look out for a member of your group, what exactly would you say?

Interesting that some want the kids grilled far more than the suspects.  And no, these are not stepford kids and not perfect but the sure do not go out drinking and gambling every night, either.  Just not done in this part of the country.

They are also from very privileged families, some of the most privileged in the country, some of them.  They have condos on the beach, most all homes have nice swimming pools, many private planes, etc.  Joren would not be in their league in this country.  I seriously doubt NH was very impressed with him at all, contrary to what some think.  He was younger than her for one thing and she was a very mature girl for her age.  I think she tried to be friendly and this is where it got her.  And Boyz2Men is no biggie here, either.  Doubt she would even bother to attend if they were in B'ham.  My kids wouldn't for sure.  Most of those kids also spent the entire days on the beach.  They were not some desperate gang out for any and every thrill.  I know dozens of kids just like them who do not have to have the wild stuff to have a good life.  And I don't believe any bartender can remember the exact number of drinks served to every customer like that, either.  

So as I asked before, why trash the MB kids, the victim or her family?  I believe if there were any dirt it would have come out long before now and most of what I have seen is just pure fabrication of dirt/suspicion where none exists.  Believe it or not, lots of families do not have deep dark evil secrets but even if they did, so what?  Does that mean their daughter should be made to disappear and likely killed in some horrific manner?  What am I missing here?  

Just want to quote/save this post for my own...she's special!

You make a perfect case of Joran being innocent, he is 17, and he has not confessed during interrogation...could it be that is telling the truth, for get the stories changing I can see either a panic since the next day the girl dissapeared, you can see why as story can seem like he is lying but it may have been twisted by police misinfomation and sloppy reporting of MSM?

 

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. or is it as alike as a jug and a jar?

Ok you feeking Judges...make a choice...we're really disliking your opinions:..."well, because of this...or because of that...."


know what I mean?!!!

give us your opinion!...or we're going to be forced to go with Paulus Van Der Sloot...

...you think?  what's your name?

[Getagrip]

Actually its a blog not a website. I understand you enjoy it, I hope so because you are here.

Numbers do not lie. We are here because this is compelling, in a way that the MSM could not even deam of.

As far as I'm concerned, you're making history here. Similar to Matt Drudge, but not so similar because this is not a political matter. The human interest factor, and the search for truth and justice have made this blog and its associated message board most compelling, and imo, instrumental to getting to the bottom of things.

It's probably not mentioned enough...but THANK YOU for working so diligently on behalf of Natalee, and for giving us a voice in the matter.

[NoDumbBunny]

'evening all....


I have a question - and I tried to see if it was already answered - so I'm posting it with apologies in advance if it's a "re-winder"  

Is it the Marriott that is being remodeled or the Allegro?
The Allegro's website says it is closed until December - anyone heard of LE or searchers looking through all the empty guest rooms?

::shrugging::   Just a thought

[Kkial]

I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...[/quote]

Inspectot Clusoe,,,how do you know there is no EVIDENCE in this case??
Dutch Law prohibits releasing information,,,even the defense does not have what the LE has now..They will get it right before the charges, if there are any charges.....We still don't know whether they have confessed or not..hopefully they have....................or Joran will not have a tongue to confess

[writenow]

Inspector_Detector said:
I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...

Well said, Inspector!

You both know nothing! You don't know what evidence the police have or don't have. YOU KNOW NOTHING. The LE obviously from surveillance, taped phone calls, phone and cell records, computers, forensic evidence in cars/clothes/property combined with 5 people who keep changing their stories [lying lying lying] know that all adds up to a whole lotta guilt and suspicion for some reason.

My guess is they do have evidence in this case. But I don't know either. No one does. AND YOU DON'T EITHER.

Let the Aruban and Dutch authorities do their job. I know the van der Sloots and the Kalpoes have friends and family posting. That's noble to defend them. But this case is by no means over. And just because you want your friends released from jail doesn't mean the police don't have evidence.

[igsigs]

Inspector_Detector said:
I'm saying that there is NO evidence in this case. The Aruban police should be looking for evidence, and not arresting someone's father to try to force a confession out of someone...

Well said, Inspector!

Well said? Well said? The Inspector saying that there is NO evidence in this case is equal to me saying that LE has a wiretap of PVDS telling all the suspects to not reveal where the body is hidden. we would both be full of it.

[dragonfly]

'evening all....


I have a question - and I tried to see if it was already answered - so I'm posting it with apologies in advance if it's a "re-winder"  

Is it the Marriott that is being remodeled or the Allegro?
The Allegro's website says it is closed until December - anyone heard of LE or searchers looking through all the empty guest rooms?

::shrugging::   Just a thought

IF I am correct, it is the Allegro and it was searched in the early days of the investigation while the 2 security guards were being detained.

[sunmoonstars]

All I can ask to these ppl knocking the parents is..do you have kids yourselves? I do and bet that if God forbid something like this happened to one of my kids I would move hell or high water,  find money that I didn't know that I had to pay ransom,knock whatever heads together I had to to get to the truth...dayum staight the parents are mad as hell...they are being railroaded and having to do alot of the investigation on their own.Hopping off my soapbox..'tis getting so very late..[/quote]

I totally agree with you that I would do Whatever it took to find my girl! As for the drinking, partying, etc. you wouldn't believe how many people in my "upper class" neighborhood hold parties at their houses for 15-18 yr olds. Loaded with kegs and any other liquor they desire to bring. I find it unbelievable that parents would take it upon themselves to give anyone else's child alcohol. God help the one that gives it to mine without my permission! So, whatever happend in Aruba as far as partying happens here every weekend. Just go to myspace and look by area....tx....it will shock you what these kids are doing in their parents homes. Sex is the norm and like I said, this is with parents in the home when it happens.

[GuyWdog]

The TRUTH will be written down by a Man writing it all down in a book somewhere into the future. Only God knows what happened that night, and he isn't talking.
 My guess is that without a Corpus Delecti the Police will continue to hold Joran and the others until such time as they find Natalee, or they have to either Formally charge them or either let them go. I believe that is at 160 days.
 


G-night all

GuyWdoggy